Mike I just can't figure out the damn terrain materials, they won't show up in game, just a white mesh so until I figure it out the shots will remain the same I suppose, doesn't matter really, not putting that of all things in a folio hehe.
Alright so did a nose speedie, not horrible I think, was inspired by killingpeople and all his recent sculpts but this is not as good of course, but I learned a bit with this sculpt, and it's the first sculpt in my new digital sketchbook folder
I think I'm going to set up a livestream so that you all can crit as I sculpt, I think that'd be cool.
well there it is, and I should probably mention I was focusing solely on the nose and not on surrounding features, but that'll change once I get more comfortable with character sculpting.
lol thanks Saso, and something completely different from a nose, a misc. concrete block thingy for a scene that I'm doing, I'm planning it to be pretty large, and I'm not sure if I made everything to extreme.
Nice updates, I am continuously seeing improvement which is awesome. I find that renders from Zbrush look better when they are in perspective, rather than isometric. I even tend to sculpt in perspective as it more accurately represents the forms of whatever your working on. Just something to think about, keep it up man.
you should definately do some more complex stuff, i see lots of squarish shapes that are very easy to pull off and not interesting at all , dont be afraid to do some more complex stuff like sci fi vehicles etc.
Johny: Yeah your definetly right about that, this is for a scene that I'm working on and the next sculpt I plan on doing for it is going to be much more complex I think, and actually I plan on putting a statue of a man on top of this piece so there are some complex objects in my future but yeah I'm definetly gonna look for some scifi concept art once I'm through with this scene, and speaking of the scene heres the block I shouldve posted before I started sculpting,
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I'm actually thinking about taking that middle piece and scaling it and sticking it as like a border for the whole thing, instead of in the center, and keep in mind the whole thing is rather large, it's supposed to be an ancient ampitheather where people would go and watch shows and other events, the block is still even not 100% still have to add some more stuff
update on the previous piece, lowpoly and bake situation, it's only 700 tris, but its a fairly large piece, I think I can get away with 2000 tris actually, should I go for it? or should I just leave it as is?
@ayoub: Thanks bro for this particular model, it didn't really seem neccessary to do a whole retopo, which would have been very boring and annoying, so I just used the decimation master plugin in Zbrush, which does a pretty good job at optimizing, you might have to do some manuel work in max after though. was And since my high poly was 7million polies (way too much for max to handle) I again used decimation master to bring it down to 1million, without much change to the detail. So yeah decimation master is awesome
@Mike: here's the wire buddy, sorry i haven't been on MSN in awhile, just don't wanna get distracted to much
I decimated this, and since my polies were fairly even on my base mesh, I think I have a good medium between polies spent on the details and polies spent on the shilloete, although, now that you mention it though I could probably get rid of A LOT of polies :poly122: A LOT so I'll redo the decimation with a base of 2000 tris and then get rid of some more manually
Aight, hey again I decided that since I haven't done anything new for the environment, I'd explore some different approaches I could take to the sculpting, I like this one loads better than the previous
Thanks for the crit Mike, but I actually decided to go for the other style instead haha sorry bro, but yeah here's the final hipoly decoration piece with polypaint applied, it's really not that dark, but doing a "best" render in zbrush seems to make it darker. I'm actually pretty happy with it, any crits would be awesome.
Alright, so I re-sculpted the pillar, and after a long fight with zbrush, finally managed to get a good lowpoly workflow, thanks to teaandcigarretes post in darkcrusader's thread, thanks man
there it is in game, WIP of course, it's basically just the spec that needs some work, once I'm done with the pillar I'm probably going to make a thread for the scene, sorry for the horrid presentation
Your Green channel is inverted? (LOL, it seems that I say this very often! but its 70% of the problems of why your normals don't look good when your bake came out correctly and the render looks weird!) xD
you are progressing in your sculpting! try to use different tools and techniques to make your carvings less recognizable.
It could be lightmaps. UDK uses a second set of textures you don't see for storing lighting information - you may have to setup a second UV channel before you export your model.
Alright, so I re-sculpted the pillar, and after a long fight with zbrush, finally managed to get a good lowpoly workflow, thanks to teaandcigarretes post in darkcrusader's thread, thanks man
there it is in game, WIP of course, it's basically just the spec that needs some work, once I'm done with the pillar I'm probably going to make a thread for the scene, sorry for the horrid presentation
I feel like I have to correct myself a bit here since I made that post ages ago (and back then I used to do really shoddy job when it came to my LP's).
I don't believe there's anything wrong about using decimated meshes as your low poly. It can save you a lot of work, especially if you're working with something really organic. However, for something this simple I think it would be more efficient to retopo by hand; optimizing a decimated mesh properly can take as much time as retopologizing it.
Anyways, I will get to the column. The biggest issue I've noticed is that each segment is a separate chunk of geometry. While that could be useful in some cases (creating modular variations, etc.) it seems a bit pointless in your case. It seems that it only causes problems. Fore instance, if you're going to use low resolution lightmap the black shadows (from areas between the segments) will bleed over to lit areas creating ugly smoothing visible on your model.
The more efficient solution would be to model the main part of the column as one piece. That would give you cleaner lightmaps. Then, you could tris to the areas that actually need them.
Sorry for sounding a bit harsh, but I felt that the post you mentioned was very misleading. I hope that this makes more sense
Btw: you can disable that AO haloing by going into the World Settings and disabling Allow Ambient Occlusion. Its default settings look rather bad in most cases.
hehe, to be honest tea, the entire column is a single mesh, the pieces where it appears gone is just inset geo. And actually, decimating it worked wonders, way faster than i retopoed it (I did two tests). And I really didn't even manually edit it, I took the base decimation (about 6,000 tris) from zbrush and then using pro-optmizer brought it down to about 1000 tris, while getting rid of those tiny tris, worked pretty well I think. And I will definetly turn off AO
gibson543: Oh well, I knew there was a chance I could be wrong about it But regardless, my other points remain valid. Those insets are unnecessary here and don't add much to the silhouette. They appear to be the main cause of that odd shadowing you're getting.
By retopologizing a mesh like this I didn't really mean using something complex, like Topogun or 3d Coat. That's not required in this case. I was speaking about modelling it in Max using simple primitives. There's not much precision required here, you could easily eyeball the mesh and then use Max Retopo to make it fit HP tighter.
oh aand uh the pic I posted before is a good example, but whats up with the purple? my spec is yellow-green, and it doesn't appear that way in the model/materail editor, just in-game. anyone know whats up?
aight so yeah, decided to halt the pillar for a lil bit to work on the deco, and I think this is final, I'm actually pretty happy with it. And crits would be awesome
Aight so I didn't like my other diffuse so well, so I decided to do another polypaint. I know I keep doing the same things over and over but I really want to perfect my workflow before I move on.
Looks like that last UDK shot of the deco is the final, just because my workflow is so bad I can't get that polypaint out (long story)
but. I did take tea's advice for not using decimations for the pillar, I retopoed it in zbrush, and it's 404 tris. 207 verts. The shots below are taken from the max viewport xoliul shader.
Well yeah, saw it collecting dust, and I'm gonna finish this shit. Shouldn't take me much longer. I remember I was deathly afraid of the pump itself, and I tried like 3 times to do it, but couldnt figure it out, and I did it today in like an hour, I think thats an improvement
thanks bro, so yeah i wanted to do something that wasnt for my environment, so I decided to do a quick dumpster, and I tried out a quick unwrap and bump map but eh, I'm not sure I'm liking it.
almost finished with the hipoly, just need the rail and I'll be doing the final renders and moving on to the low poly
so yeah, Modo's renderer is fucking amazing...thanks to Pedro for giving me some help with it. Now I just need to figure out how to get rid of the shadows from my floaters and get rid of the speckled specular
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Alright so did a nose speedie, not horrible I think, was inspired by killingpeople and all his recent sculpts but this is not as good of course, but I learned a bit with this sculpt, and it's the first sculpt in my new digital sketchbook folder
I think I'm going to set up a livestream so that you all can crit as I sculpt, I think that'd be cool.
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well there it is, and I should probably mention I was focusing solely on the nose and not on surrounding features, but that'll change once I get more comfortable with character sculpting.
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any crits or comments are appreciated
edit: and this is for something bigger I hope
Johny: Yeah your definetly right about that, this is for a scene that I'm working on and the next sculpt I plan on doing for it is going to be much more complex I think, and actually I plan on putting a statue of a man on top of this piece so there are some complex objects in my future
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I'm actually thinking about taking that middle piece and scaling it and sticking it as like a border for the whole thing, instead of in the center, and keep in mind the whole thing is rather large, it's supposed to be an ancient ampitheather where people would go and watch shows and other events, the block is still even not 100% still have to add some more stuff
again any crits or comments are welcome
when you export your hipoly from zbrush to max .. you just optimize it to get lowpoly version ?
good luck ;p
@Mike: here's the wire buddy, sorry i haven't been on MSN in awhile, just don't wanna get distracted to much
I decimated this, and since my polies were fairly even on my base mesh, I think I have a good medium between polies spent on the details and polies spent on the shilloete, although, now that you mention it though I could probably get rid of A LOT of polies :poly122: A LOT so I'll redo the decimation with a base of 2000 tris and then get rid of some more manually
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Alright here's another sculpt, I think I'm getting better with each sculpt
this time a column pillar situation, perhaps too noisy, i dunno, I'll let you guys decided
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there it is in game, WIP of course, it's basically just the spec that needs some work, once I'm done with the pillar I'm probably going to make a thread for the scene, sorry for the horrid presentation
you are progressing in your sculpting! try to use different tools and techniques to make your carvings less recognizable.
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thanks for that vid fearian will look into it
I feel like I have to correct myself a bit here since I made that post ages ago (and back then I used to do really shoddy job when it came to my LP's).
I don't believe there's anything wrong about using decimated meshes as your low poly. It can save you a lot of work, especially if you're working with something really organic. However, for something this simple I think it would be more efficient to retopo by hand; optimizing a decimated mesh properly can take as much time as retopologizing it.
Anyways, I will get to the column. The biggest issue I've noticed is that each segment is a separate chunk of geometry. While that could be useful in some cases (creating modular variations, etc.) it seems a bit pointless in your case. It seems that it only causes problems. Fore instance, if you're going to use low resolution lightmap the black shadows (from areas between the segments) will bleed over to lit areas creating ugly smoothing visible on your model.
The more efficient solution would be to model the main part of the column as one piece. That would give you cleaner lightmaps. Then, you could tris to the areas that actually need them.
Sorry for sounding a bit harsh, but I felt that the post you mentioned was very misleading. I hope that this makes more sense
Btw: you can disable that AO haloing by going into the World Settings and disabling Allow Ambient Occlusion. Its default settings look rather bad in most cases.
By retopologizing a mesh like this I didn't really mean using something complex, like Topogun or 3d Coat. That's not required in this case. I was speaking about modelling it in Max using simple primitives. There's not much precision required here, you could easily eyeball the mesh and then use Max Retopo to make it fit HP tighter.
Hope that helps
aight so yeah, decided to halt the pillar for a lil bit to work on the deco, and I think this is final, I'm actually pretty happy with it. And crits would be awesome
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spec (not actual size)
diffuse. God I really don't like gimp
thanks guys
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I think it'll look cool with some good ole xnormal cavity and AO.
any crits or comments would be awesome
but. I did take tea's advice for not using decimations for the pillar, I retopoed it in zbrush, and it's 404 tris. 207 verts. The shots below are taken from the max viewport xoliul shader.
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any comments or crits would be awesome
thanks and happy holidays
Well yeah, saw it collecting dust, and I'm gonna finish this shit. Shouldn't take me much longer. I remember I was deathly afraid of the pump itself, and I tried like 3 times to do it, but couldnt figure it out, and I did it today in like an hour, I think thats an improvement
oh and its my 14th birthday. Yay
here's the model, still WIP have still have the rails and the actual guns to do
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http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?t=46175
keep up the good work
yodude - hey thanks for the link man I've actually been there a few times, my matcap collection has grown a fair bit because of it
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almost finished with the hipoly, just need the rail and I'll be doing the final renders and moving on to the low poly
so yeah, Modo's renderer is fucking amazing...thanks to Pedro for giving me some help with it. Now I just need to figure out how to get rid of the shadows from my floaters and get rid of the speckled specular
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so yeah final hi poly render