My High-Poly Adventures

gibson543

Hey everyone, I've been trying to tackle larger scaled projects lately, but my computer really isn't powerful enough to even run UDK properly, and so, I'm dropping game art until I get a new rig and am now focusing on hi-poly modeling. And maybe when I get the new rig I'll make em game-res.

Alright, I wanted to do something in my room before I do anything else, so I did my closet door! Without the knob!! Pretty simple but I want to start simple and get harder. But even with this simple of an object I still have pinching at the corners :poly127:
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there it is, I'm also trying to get better at presentation so any tips for that will be appreciated as well, should've included a wireframe, oh well.

Oh and I'm creating a new thread because my previous thread wasn't going to well, you know 7 posts in a row by me and always falling, so...yeah

Thanks,
Will

BlvdNights

So wait...you can't make game rez objects but you can high poly? Wut

gibson543

My comp can handle turbosmooth, but when we're talking about UDK, or Xoliul or Marmo working properly it's not gonna happen

tex_cookiedough

"My comp can handle turbosmooth"

noob question but are you using the high poly in the engines? :P that would be a dealbreaker

gibson543

lol no of course, my computer lags like crazy when i load up UDK with one of the default meshes or levels, or one of my assets (at like 120 tris)

But, in max I can goto about level 6 of turbosmooth

limesimme

So you remove your turbosmooth handlers before you export I presume?
And what specs do you have?!
I feel I don't have to ask this but are your videodrivers up to date?

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gibson543

this really wasnt meant to be a trial and error problem solving thread, the only way to fix the issue is to get a new computer, I have a dual core with an integrated graphics card and 2 gb ram, so can we please start focusing on my images?

edit: and if anyone has any suggestions of things for me to model that'd be cool I really have no idea what to do

DOG-GY

If you could post the wires for the door we could probably solve the pinching problem. It's probably because of a weird connection between the bevel things and the corner polygons and an easy fix.

Finish up the door. If you could get a fancy pants handle done that would be sweet.

D4V1DC

Since you got a door, I'd say a whole house?
This is only if your going for an environment position, otherwise I think you have to tell us what your interested in modeling, Maybe!?

I like your door, no knob yet thou, maybe add fancy designs on the outside, you can still work on your turbo-smooth mesh if you kept the turbo-smooth modifier at the top stack preferably the last change you made to the model if so delete It as you already know what is looks like smoothed and add hinges, and those metal designs.

Best advice I can give you because well its a door.

Burrill

Did you do this by eye or did you model this off of a picture of your closet door within the program? Maybe it's the angle but the ratio seems off. Most doors have a width/height ratio of 3:7, yours is looking a little short.

Also the carvings look pushed in a little too deep into the door. Bring them forward just a bit.

But yea, bedazzle it with a door knob and put a frame around it too!

gibson543

wow lol this is already becoming more popular than my other thread. And sorry I'm not continuing the door, to be honest it really bored me to death, and was just something quick to get the project started, and so now, a little taste of what I'll be doing next, should take quite a bit longer than the door

http://www.freefoto.com/images/1027/05/1027_05_8---Cannon--Lincoln-Castle--England_web.jpg?&k=Cannon%2C+Lincoln+Castle%2C+England

It's a cannon!!!!

gibson543

Alright, so now it's a pretty simple sci-fi floor, will post wires in a few



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BlvdNights

gibson543 wrote: »

this really wasnt meant to be a trial and error problem solving thread,

Well when you post a generic door and some generic floor piece, there isn't much else that can be talked about as well as its effecting your work.

MRico

I would say to try to model something more complex.

Maybe a gun or a power drill. Something with some curves and sharp edges, that's a good practice for SubD modeling.

Something like this...

gibson543

blvdnights - true true bro hopefully this model is better

autopsy - wow that would be quite a challenge, but I don't think I'm ready for that yet

well, here's the cannon still WIP ofc but just wanted to post



sorry for the crappy wire, think i gotta up the resolution on my renders


thanks

nfrrtycmplx

It's cool that you're trying a bunch of different stuff. However, I'd suggest picking something you're actually interested in completing.

Posting your references will halp people understand your target as well.

Cheers

gibson543

well I'm not planning on making any of these game res if thats what you mean by completing, these are all high poly practice, and my main ref is linked a few posts above.

Might as well post an update, finished the cannon itself, and I'm now thinking the wood pieces are too large, and I shouldve started with more geo on the cannon because it's gonna be very hard to extrude the other cylinder parts out of it. >.< ah well might just have intersecting meshes

gibson543

update on the cannon, took some crit and made some proportional changes, almost there just need to add some more details

gibson543

Alright, I guess I'm done still open to crit though

MRico

The only thing that stands out to me is the edges of the wood are a bit too sharp. If you look at your reference they're a bit softer than what you currently have.

Besides that, it's a pretty good job man!

I hope you change your mind later on, this would look real sweet textured and in-game.

gibson543

Thanks bro, and I do agree I'm editing the edges now.

And I'm not completely dropping these models, once I get a better computer I'll be creating the low poly and textures for these guys.

gibson543

Alright, new model, a sort of old style, hydrant.

my maing ref http://freetextures.3dtotal.com/preview.php?imi=10902&s=c:Hydrant&p=0&cid=19




thats it so far (the extruded piece is just a test)

gibson543

thanks for that mike, I kinda lost steam on that model, will revisit it later probably. But for now, here's a more complex scifi floor I plan on using for a scene Everythings modeled in but I think those idented bits would look better if I used floaters. still WIP of course gotta add some bolts and shit


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gibson543

another variation of the floor I like this a lot better


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gibson543

ok, so basically everything ive made so far is kinda shitty and simple, so someone suggested that I model a gun, and I decided to do an m1911.

ref: http://www.pixagogo.com/3883404150

I think I'm getting better at this rendering dealio


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well you know, crits on anything are welcome, thanks

zxcman

yeap! that's better. you are making a good progress. keep it up:)

Taylor Hood

Man...

You keep quiting projects. People put time in to the crits and even proportion guides, like Mike and then you just create something else. I get loosing steam and all that but maybe stay on something for a long period of time and keep getting crits. This is more of a sketchbook for random 3D models but you should be making a single thread for an big project =]

gibson543

zxcman: thanks bro

Taylor Hood: I said that these are all just high poly practice because my computer can't handle game engines, if thats what you mean by full projects. I did make the changes to the hydrant, and I'm planning on revisiting that hydrant once I'm done with the colt. I will admit I pussied out on the door. None of these are really full projects, so yeah I guess you could consider it a sketchbook. Although once I get a new rig, I'll be game-resing them up

Pedro Amorim

if you can run Max, you can run marmoset or even UDK, i mean.. you don't need a big pc to import static meshes and make shaders lol

Grimm_Wrecking

Pedro Amorim wrote: »

if you can run Max, you can run marmoset or even UDK, i mean.. you don't need a big pc to import static meshes and make shaders lol

+1

My laptop gets pissy if I start trying to manipulate a single mesh with more than 15k polys in maya. And it will run the UDK just fine...

If you can do High Poly work you can do game res work. If you can't do High Poly work, you can still do game res work.
Keep in mind people have been doing game res 3d since before the Single Core 1 GHZ processor even made a debut...let alone even a 256mb graphics card.


All that aside here ya go.

gibson543

Aright Aright guys, I'll try some game work, starting with the cannon, will be going back and forth between the cannon and the cannon.

@grimm - thanks for that pic, really awesome


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added a chain and doing some more render playing.

gibson543

Aright working on a 50s gas pump, I have a few different refs,
http://www.sweetsofas.com/images/50sShoatGasPump-1-2.jpg
http://nostalgiaco.com/siteimages/gas-pump-39-standard-bs.JPGhttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2618895951_3328dc46a7_o.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ctQ8vOMYk_I/SIpYFULNZkI/AAAAAAAAA4A/sFduJt6bR0g/Gas+Pump.jpg

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heres my render, I think I like this one the most

You know the drill, any comments or crits are welcome

Oh and this is my last hi-poly only before I do a whole gas station I hope

gibson543

Alright, moving along very slowly, but I'm getting there, still working on the main body in preperation for the pump. I'm not sure about the details on the side, I think they may be to small. Ah well, any comments or crits are welcome.


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and as always, I'm playing with renders, I'm liking my most recent ones

gibson543

Nother update, changed side detail to something more complicated to stop being a lazy bum after I found this ref: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2618895951_3328dc46a7_o.jpg

Did some proportional changes as well.

Any comments or crits are welcome

gibson543

well for the rivets I just started off with a floater, and then I brought that floater to equal level of the flat surface, got rid of the surface face and bridged the edges, add cuts where necssary, and then if there are any noticable errors I fix them. get 8 verts. And then I applied a spherify modifier to those verts to make a perfect circle. Hope that helps a little

gibson543

Moare details and re-doing things

Grimm_Wrecking

your missing the tabs for "cents per gallon" other than that man :thumbup:

gibson543

thanks grimm Added em.

just posting a VERY small update because I'm ready to move onto the pump itself, which I've already tried and failed at.


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some errors in the mesh in this render, but i've fixed em

gibson543

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YYAAAAA aright just made miself some hotkeys and a custom UI today. I also did some preliminary sculpts on arsh's basemesh and I think the going level by level using clay tubes and dam-standard is working in my favor. it'd be cool if any of you could recommend and matcaps or sculpting techniques

Thanks guys

Jessica Dinh

This floorpiece is pretty cool! But are you planning to low poly this and bake down a normal map? If you are, I suggest maybe slightly exaggerating the size of the bolts so that they get more normal information and stand out more from a distance. Otherwise they might become practically unnoticeable.

gibson543

I wasn't really planning on doing anything with it hehe just a quikie model, but thanks for the comments

gibson543

alright I've been told it looks like a piece of poop so ya I'm gonna restart it with refs

gibson543

alright, doing concrete again after studying some ref


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Roadblock,_Basingstoke_Canal,_Aldershot.JPG

gibson543

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alright, no more dicking around, time to get back into game work, and I've started with some style exploration, mainly inspired by Jfletcher, Darkcrusader and JasonL

Not particulary happy with my brick. Viewed in UDK with 1024 diffuse normal and spec. and i know thats huge for a brick im scaling it down.

Personally, I think that the spec might be just to dull, the diffuse and normal I'm happy with but that spec, not really sure hehe.

I'm also 100% willing to continue and finish this off completely if anyone has crits to offer, this was actually very good sculpting practice.

Alright, will post flats tomarrow becuase its a quarter to one AM right now and I have school tomarrow, so yeah..thanks

gibson543

ok some more sculpts, this time characters. Not sure if Im doin it right, the mesh always gets sorta mushy once i subdivided to the point shown, which is 6 levels using arshlevon's base mesh

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crits are welcome, thanks

Mike Yevin

I would suggest showing off small things like bricks or stones in larger groups. It's pretty easy to simply rotate or flip objects to make it appear as if they are all different. When I first saw the brown brick I had no idea what it was, but if you had put a bunch together to form a small wall section you would have gotten the idea through a bit better. Also what is the tri count?

Regarding the textures, all I can see on the render is diffuse and normal. Push that specular, but make sure you keep in mind what parts of a brick or stone are actually shiny and which parts (like dirt filled crevices) aren't.


In terms of the Zbrush, I would recommend checking out http://www.pixologic.com/ for some sweet matcaps and such. In fact, the community as a whole is a great resource for advice in all departments, plus the ZClassroom is top notch. Or you could always check out speed sculpting videos on youtube or vimeo to pick up little tips and tricks. If you'd like I can record a speedie sometime so you can see my workflow (which is by no means perfect in anyway, but it may help you in some regard.

Keep it up man, huge improvement from the first props I saw from you. Just keep in mind what others are saying about sticking with things. Good luck.

gibson543

wow thats for the comment Mike! And the brick is 293 tris i think? And yeah I tried to really pushe the constrast on the spec this time around, and it looks so much different in-game than it does in the model viewer.


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and in regards to zbrush, trust me ive seen every timelapse imaginable, from stoofoo to selwy, and yeah the pixolgic tuts are great, I basically know the zbrush interface and what not, its just the actual process of sculpting I gotta learn hehe, and a speedie by you would be cool, that alien sculpt was really cool.

And thanks bro I'm planning on doing something bigger today

Tea Monster

Starting to come together. Have you tried X-Normal as a model viewer?

gibson543

Thanks Tea Monster I've tried Xnormal as a viewer, but it doesn't work on my computer. thinking this is done, added some wear to my texture



viewed in UDK gonna make final pics for it

gibson543

finals I suppose, now I just gotta think of something larger to do.





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Mike Yevin

I would recommend getting rid, or at least toning down the SSAO in your scene. The way it sits now, its overbearing and hinders the quality of your work. Also try getting a basic ground texture going on in there, the blue and grey checkers are lamesauce