MMA Fighter WIP

chademond

Hey guys, I started working on this the other day, it started out as an anatomy study, but I plan to add some clothing/gear and texture it for my portfolio.

I'm not really happy with a few things like the leg anatomy or hands, so I would appreciate any crits for those as well.

I'm working on new topology right now so I can do the fine detailing on the skin and muscles. I would appreciate any C & C you could give me. Ill keep updating the thread with new WIPs.

Cheers.

UPDATE:




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imb3nt

ears need more cauliflower.

D4V1DC

Looks good.

No real critic.

cholden

For anatomy reference, I suggest pictures from weigh-ins. You always get great front/side view of fighters from these. Here's a few quick Google's of "weigh-ins" for example. It also helps if you have a specific fighter or type of fighter's name.
http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ufc_93_weigh_ins.jpg
http://thenewpwb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/lesnar_weigh_in.jpg
http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/post-images/davis_hardy_weigh_in2-610x406.jpg
http://thetrianglechoke.com/images/ttc_rich_weigh_in.jpg

General fighter musculature is more prominent in shoulders, traps, neck and spinal erectors. From there, picking your fighter's style of fighting will define the way their body looks more than "I think the calves should look bigger" or "smaller obliques" nit-picky crits anyone can give you. For example, wrestlers tend to have overall thicker muscles, strikers being more lean with most muscle around the clavical ring and traditionalists often looks more like normal guys not well defined.

...and yes, more cauliflower ear. :P

JacqueChoi

The arms seem a bit long to me. It seems like if he were to straighten his arms, and rest them by his side, they would come down to just over his knees (which is waay too long).

Think of it this way... if he were to extend his arms, the hands should simply cover his crotch (try it IRL to see what I mean).


The legs look a little short as well.... (the thigh looks fine, the calf looks like it needs to be extended).


Overall it's pretty cool but looks very stylized. Some of the muscle shapes seem off too.




Definitely a really good start!

Xaltar

Most of the issues I see are proportion related. Are the arms too long or is the crotch too high, if you fix the crotch will the legs be too short etc. Get some good reff and tweak it all into the correct proportions. The hands and feet need work too as you mentioned, try to understand each segment, where the bones are and what muscle and tendon is present beneath the skin, understanding it makes it easier to depict in 3d.

May seem like a lot of crits but they are all fairly minor quick fixes, overall the detail is good and the sculpting is solid. Great start.

Raider

Haha, when i did my mma fighter cauli ears was 1 of the main topics whether or not to do it, i ended up not going them and concentrated more on anatomy in the end

As others said he's got a pretty stylised look, first thing that jumped out at me was the shoulders then the feet. Upper torso seems huge horizontally and the feet seem hella boney / weird, toenails seem to be cut in too much

chademond

@imb3nt ... more cauliflower shall come
@$!nz ... Thanks man!
@cholden .. Thanks for the tip on the weigh in photos!
@JacqueChoi ... Thanks for the tips, I have been trying to figure out what was off myself, and that proportion stuff I should I have known better. I think sometimes when you stare at a model for long enough, its easy to lose that fresh perspective. Thanks!
@Xaltar ... Thanks, I'm in the process of making the weaks now, hopefully it turns out good
@ Raider ... Thanks for the crits!

I just finished redoing the topology, so I'll be making the fixes you guys have suggested, I'll post some updates soon.

Cheers!

chademond

Finished the new topology for sculpting, and also changed proportions based on feedback. I think it looks better, but I feel something is still off. I have some re sculpting to do with some detail I lost from Project all, so some of the muscles are off.

I wanna get my proportions correct before I start working on redoing some muscles in areas and adding clothing.

C & C please.

chademond

Another update, Upper Body:

joesolo

this is looking great! This piece actually helped clear up a form issue I have been having with a character I am working on. His legs look a little short though I would say, and I think it is making him look a little squished. In life drawing I have usually measured Head to crotch, and compared that proportion from the crotch to the bottom of the heel of the foot. On your guy its a little shy of that. keep it up!

-Joe Solo

chademond

Update:

Christian Hjerpe

Looks really good! But pull his pants up a little bit more. It would look cool if you made them thai style with a little slit on the sides.

Ged

the upper body anatomy is great the lower legs on the other hand looks a little wierd like there is too much bone showing through the ankle shin and feet and the muscles look very smooth compared to the well defined shapes everywhere else on him also yeah the shorts could do with being a little higher on his belly.

chademond

@ Pzychoaz ... Thanks man, pulled em up a bit.
@ Ged ... Thanks, yah I need to do alot of work on the lower body still, thanks for the crits.

Here's another update of the upper body, fixed a few things bothering me. Now onto lower body and face.

BradMyers82

The hands looks overly big and boney, the hips and obliques are not big enough in general imo, and you have a weird crease in the front of the foot (transition area from front of foot to leg). It sort of makes his feet look like flippers from the front.
But.... Your doing a great job so far man, keep refining it and checking your anatomy, your almost there!

[edit] oh and back area could also use some more detailiing and refineing. He's not showing enough definition currently for how lean he is.

Raider

^^ pretty much everything brad said, that crease where the foot meets shin doesn't look natural.

Pull the pants up a bit more, most fighters like to have it higher up so they don't get in the way.. but basically everything else brad said

chademond

@ Brad ... Thanks for the crits Brad, I agree with everything you said. The feet are always tricky for me, so I'm gonna give them some due time on this model.
@Raider ... Thanks!

Okay guys, worked a bit on the face, and refined some other areas proportion wise. Next up is working on the lower body, then start detailing skin across upper body and hands.

C & C Welcome and appreciated.

chademond

Small body update:

chademond

Okay guys, here is the tentative "final" high poly: I'm going to move onto UV'ing and start texturing.

Ged

very cool the 3 quarter view looks really good in particular

profchaos354

looking very nice, keep up the good work.

t4paN

imb3nt wrote: »

ears need more cauliflower.

True. Looking pretty good other than that.

Raider

for all the detail in the rest of the body the back looks like it's only on the 2nd pass, most fighters have pretty defined muscles even if they're not bulky, can only see hints atm whereas the rest of the body has pretty refined muscles.

Other then that looks good

butt_sahib

Agree with raider. You definitely should go in and add some definition into that back of his.That area where the scalene muscles,sternocloidomastoid and the trapezius inserts onthe clavicle is way too smooth aswell.
Those knees also need work. The anterior border of the tibia doesnt go straight down like that, its curved. You had perfectly good knees/legs in post 10 but it all got fucked in pst 12. If you lost your work, doesnt mean the new rendition you do should be worse than the first one, actually the opposite wouldnt you say? dont rush it dude
My biggest problem with this model is the short however. It looks like a rush job and i think with the work youve put into the character, the shorts just dont match that skill level at all. There arent as many horizontal folds on shorts this short :P heres what i mean:
http://farazmobin.cgsociety.org/gallery/660050/
faraz pretty much has all the info you need to make this model that much better.

Great work so far. Just dont rush some things through, This is definitely a keeper in the folio. looking forward to the lp.

chademond

@ Raider ... Thanks for the tip on the back muscles, I will refine those before the final bake.
@Butt_shaib ... I see what your saying about the knees and back. I'll be going back to refine that stuff before I bake. About the shorts however, MMA shorts are definitely tighter
http://www.groundandpound.co.uk/store/images/P/Blitz-shorts-300.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L4c13iaFyw0/SKJa1Qw4AuI/AAAAAAAAAB4/HCYJHuDd1-I/s400/mma-shorts.jpg

Xaltar

Awesome improvement. Feet still need work, get some more reff.

Looking great otherwise.

CJE

Here's a quick texture test.

CJE

Update on textures, getting kind of bored of the piece now, so I think I might be almost finished with it. Let me know what you guys think.

whats_true

Oh nice. He doesn't have kanekals any more ;]

How about doing a before/after fighting shot. One were he is nicely done, the other beaten and bruised. Might make him a bit more interesting.

Ged

it looks a bit flat at the moment, have you thought of doing a sweaty specular? like in the latest boxing games?