RapeLay - Rape (& abortion) game simulation
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Taking the word "egregious" to a new level.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88721
When does something cross the line? Would you be in favor of banning this? I'm indifferent and still not sure. As a libertarian I would still have to side with "no".
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88721
When does something cross the line? Would you be in favor of banning this? I'm indifferent and still not sure. As a libertarian I would still have to side with "no".
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I'm still undecided on that debate. I think myself that depends on the individual and how gullible they are.
Nope, not in favor of banning anything. I've deliberately run over pedestrians, paid for sex, shotgunned defenseless hostages in the face, stolen epic sums of money, gotten addicted to dangerous drugs, driven drunk, set buildings on fire, and partaken in the extermination of entire species, all just while playing video games. While this 'rape game' seems especially horrible, it's really just taking a number in line with all the other astonishingly evil forms of entertainment that modern games go for.
I like how the woman throws you in front of a train if she successfully gives birth. The weakness of pregnancy is gone and she has super MOM power. oh those japanese... lolz
so I'll have to go for the "no", not banning these games
if youre gonna ban this, might as well ban Gta while youre at it, make everyone happy
"The surveys are back, it seems 99.9% of people on earth enjoy rape as their preferred hobby, lets get that shit interactive Jim!"
Those wacky japanese, what will they think of next..
But this was on Amazon, so its that much more special. I like how she calls it a "hit game" as if this was somehow up on the shelves at Gamestop or popping up on Amazon as "63% of users who bought Halo 3 also purchased Rapelay" it's not like its a Platinum Hits title or something. This kind of stuff is pretty much guaranteed to always be a niche market.
As for the notion of banning it, I'd say its technically speech and its not actually taking advantage of anyone (except devs who are crunching unpaid overtime
Sure the content is bad... but hey... you're looking at a game that probably sells copes in the hundreds... maybe into the low thousands... to a bunch of introverted obsessed anime fanatics that probably never leave their basements in years because they prefer to interact with virtual characters rather than people, and if they do leave, they're easy to spot since they're dragging something of their obsessions along with them, beit lovedolls or whatever.
Shit's creepy, but to think that this is any worse than GTA or wolf3d or call of duty or any other violent game is ridiculous. They all have their markets, and are left well enough alone. If it was truely a problem, you'd be hearing of copycat crimes in japan... oh wait.. that's right, these people don't have the balls to do something like that... it's why they play the games in the first place.
One day, the Japanese mother ship will land and take them all back to their home planet.
Seriously though, I don't think its helpful to stimulate people's deviant sexual urges (I mean people who really would enjoy rape). Probably only going to make things worse.
What about people's deviant violent urges? Are games like GTA or virtually every realistic FPS game just making things worse? That's the argument that Jack Thompson would make...
At least most violence in games is somewhat justified. Killing evil aliens, good guys killing bad guys or bad guys killing worse guys. Don't think you can say the same for some kind of rape simulator.
just don't buy it.
There's violent porn out there too, and rape fantasy porn, etc. Just don't partake of it if it doesn't interest you.
While its hard to think of how this could be entertaining or arousing, banning it could be quite bad.
The issue becomes that wherever you draw the line, then there IS a line, and that line has a tendency to move much closer to home over time.
Oh darn, someone beat me to it.
And that article is missing some information I saw pertaining to the game. Namely that it was never intended to be sold, seen or distributed outside of Japan.
Even if this game was made available for general retail (which is already highly unlikely) there are already systems in place to "censor" it without banning it outright. It would have to be rated by the ESRB before most stores would agree to carry it. And given the nature of its content, it would almost certainly get an AO rating. The AO rating is a financial kiss of death in the states. No major retailer carries games with that rating, and even most of the smaller retailers will avoid them.
Has to be the most disturbing line in the article. I really don't know what to think about all this. Rape is terrible. Why this game was developed is questionable. Wanting to play this game doesn't seem healthy. I'm against glorifying rape. Is it art? Is there something to learn from such a bold "simulation"? I am torn, I'll definitely be pondering on this. Where do you draw the line? How does this compare to glorifying war and killing? It's hard for me to say what I'd consider too far or inappropriate, and what factors take it there. I don't do it with my artwork as much as I used to when I was younger, I still feel that not all artwork is meant to entertain or capture beauty, but some is to provoke thought, and express or provoke emotion. I'm uncomfortable with the idea of censorship. If it became unsafe, I could see reason for the black bar. There are many factors that make something inappropriate. It's very interesting.
Custer's Revenge anyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer%27s_Revenge
shooting robots.
shooting badguys
running over innocent people
fucking and then shooting prostitutes
pissing on and then shooting people (saints row 2, right??)
raping people
??? i agree this is horrendous.. but we're so desensitized, we dont even know what the fuck we've BEEN doing this whole time. this is just another degree of the same gauge folks.
the ONLY issue here is the degree in which you're associated to the other person... and that's an issue of maturity. rape seems horrific because the person emotes... and that's the only thing that's getting this foul response. games like grand theft auto just remove that element so that the people don't emote well when you kill em.
so what's more horrible -- a game that shows you something that tears at your gut... or a game that "cleans up" violence and makes it okay? if the people in grand theft auto could talk, they'd cry, scream, vomit on themselves, panic, speak gibberish, scream at you, etc, in a horrifying, bloody, comming to tearms with death type of situation... victimization... hopelessness. loss.
for real life versions of any of the above no way in hell am I desensitized to it. I can't stand it.
except for the shooting bad guys thing thats ok if they deserve it.
Power to the pasty faced mole people!
GTA 4 had brilliant human elements infused in the story about redemption, racism, and family, to go with running over hookers, and shooting cops.
The game mentioned in this article is going 'Full retard'.
You NEVER go full retard.
The craziest thing about the whole "games make you violent/rape people" argument is the idea that somehow games are "teaching" you to do bad things.
Uh, what? What world do these people live in? Who doesn't already know what rape is? Who is going to see this game and think "Wow, I never knew that somehow could forcibly be put into a sexual position before"? Who is going to think "Oh hey, I thought rape was bad but it's in a video game so I should go out and try it!" You would have to have terrible mental problems to begin with to think that way. You would have to be a complete psychopath.
People don't need video games to teach them how to be violent.
Ive been thinking about this game for a couple days now and I think what really depresses me the most about it is that the exact opposite version of this game would not give me the exact opposite emotional reaction.
So as disgusted as I am by this game; if someone made it opposite I wouldnt feel the reverse; feeling of hope, bliss or satisfaction or whatever. I think thats kinda depressing. its too heavy on one side now maybe...
interesting though...
bleh.
I also expect a complete ban on sale of this book which also sanctions rape:
HAHAH that's awesome.
well maybe this one will have a redemption plot....
ugh, just felt like adding that in there didya sprunghunt? stay on topic. Dont start a completely different argument.
Where?
Try sexy beach and artificial girl XD, all are the same but soft (it's a stupid game). This is something related to their culture, like "incest" hehe. We can't blame them.
Forget the game if you are very catholic XDD. I know perfectly this is a game very played like all the products of illusion, just check out hongfire.com and you will see people from USA, UK, etc.
There are dozens of companies doing these kind of games.
Some occidental games are worse, like manhunt... and GTA is another example of a good game ¬¬ (yeahh i can kill cops, omg)
Stupid human stampede begin...
In a simplistic interpretation of the bible god sanctions rape somewhere around Genesis 19:8
But my point (heaped with hyperbole) is that this game might depict acts that most people aren't comfortable with but there's plenty of precedent for this sort of thing and civilization hasn't collapsed just yet.
Well your point isn't valid. In Genesis 19:8 it is a man named Lot who is giving up his daughters to an angry mob to let them have their way with them. Lot was living in Sodom at the time, he wasn't a saint. It was a terrible suggestion and by NO MEANS sanctioned by God. You need to read the whole story, not just one verse before you make wild claims like "god sanctions rape".
Now I've gotten the thread off topic...
Surely your not reading the bible in it's actual *gasp* context?
Same on you for not picking and choosing what you want to believe!
In regards to the actual topic, I'm more inclined to banning it. But then, we have games that kill people for fun. I guess it's how a culture views what is socially acceptable ad what is not for games.
Is it multiplayer?
Obviously a much more wholesome family-friendly context.
I dont want to keep getting off topic but....
You missed my point. The argument that sprunghunt was making was that God himself sanctioned rape. When Lot had the two male guests (who were angels) the whole city came and wanted to rape the two male guests. Lot made a terrible suggestion of offering his two daughters to protect the guests. He basically took things into his own hands and tried his best to protect the two men who he knew were angels. Later the angels blinded the whole mob showing that he never needed to make such a bad suggestion because God was always in control of the situation.
No the story isnt family friendly, its terribly sad, but there is plenty to be learned from others mistakes. And thats why its in the Bible.
edit: if you guys want to keep this discussion going PM me instead of derailing this further.