Project Resurrection

HaloAnimator · Oct 2008

Good morning everyone, my name is Kashif, also known as HaloAnimator, and this is my first time posting here (Although I had this acct for over 4 yrs and forgot I had one). Well, anyway, I am going to be posting some work that I have done to learn about game modelling and maybe I can get some feedback from you all.

The subjects for these works are based on an old 2d fighter called Eternal Champions that I loved as a child. My plans for these projects are to reimagine the roster in full 3D to learn how to model game res characters. I mostly model high res Pre-rendered objects but this would be a good change of pace...

Models and Concept art in the next post.

HaloAnimator · Oct 2008

HaloAnimator · Oct 2008

More Trident Images

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/JamesRayder2026/TridentFinishedPoseMR1.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/JamesRayder2026/TridentFinishedPoseMR4.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/JamesRayder2026/TridentFinishedPoseMR3.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/JamesRayder2026/Trident-WireframeFaceRender.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/JamesRayder2026/Trident-WireframeFace1Rende.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/JamesRayder2026/Trident-WireframeFace2Rende.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/JamesRayder2026/TridentDX90-1.jpg

HaloAnimator · Oct 2008

merlyn · Oct 2008

Looking pretty good so far, especially the head. Personally the collar bones bother me as i think they should be pronounced like a human.

HaloAnimator · Oct 2008

More art...

(CONCEPT ART)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/JamesRayder2026/Xavier%20Pendragon/Old-Xavier-Head-Study-1.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/JamesRayder2026/Xavier%20Pendragon/XavierIhavethepower.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/JamesRayder2026/Xavier%20Pendragon/XavierUnderthecoverofDarkness.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/JamesRayder2026/Xavier%20Pendragon/XavierAttheheightofpower.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/JamesRayder2026/Xavier%20Pendragon/Xavier-Battle-Stance-1.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3151/2965584734_8643df514a_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3277/2964741101_bd34a2b481_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3031/2965315714_cf9b6291a9_o.png
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2099/2965315258_5f4db971ce_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/2965364242_b87bf0473c_o.png

HaloAnimator · Oct 2008

merlyn wrote: »

Looking pretty good so far, especially the head. Personally the collar bones bother me as i think they should be pronounced like a human.

Hey dude, I will admit, when creating Trident, I had a human in mind but then I saw how the head looked and went to another direction toward monstrous proportions. Now in the UE Editor, these models look super tiny and they are imported into the engine. (they are all modelled based on RealWorld scale.

I think you are definitely right about the collarbone. In the CG opening of Eternal Champions: Challenge From the Darkside, Trident looks very human as far as anatomy is concerned, but i wanted to take some creative licence and make him more monstrous....

tremulant · Oct 2008

okay this is being typed fast so excuse my shortness

1st model: Face looks pretty nice, I am liking the texture and the some of the shapes you fleshed out in zbrush... The upper body is decent but def a step down from the face...then the legs look like a blob with a foot and some random muscular shapes. The Legs are a really good chance to make this thing look "monstrous" (i think you mean Monster-ous....some might think you mean monstrous like large) ...anywho, they need proper musculature and anatomy.

Second model is suffering from having the same texture plastered all over it. I think making the materials feel different is what will give you more contrast, and overall...a better piece. Give the boots a leather texture, and give the pants a more of a slick texture---like the concept

gotta run
hope that helps.

dave

HaloAnimator · Oct 2008

tremulant wrote: »

okay this is being typed fast so excuse my shortness

1st model: Face looks pretty nice, I am liking the texture and the some of the shapes you fleshed out in zbrush... The upper body is decent but def a step down from the face...then the legs look like a blob with a foot and some random muscular shapes. The Legs are a really good chance to make this thing look "monstrous" (i think you mean Monster-ous....some might think you mean monstrous like large) ...anywho, they need proper musculature and anatomy.

Second model is suffering from having the same texture plastered all over it. I think making the materials feel different is what will give you more contrast, and overall...a better piece. Give the boots a leather texture, and give the pants a more of a slick texture---like the concept

gotta run
hope that helps.

dave

Hey Dave, I thank you for the input. I will definitely go back and just fix the textures on Xavier's pants. He is from the year 1692, so I don't really know what materials I could think of for him. Wanted to use cotton

And I will work on the leather although he is already concluded...kind of hard to make a leather texture work into a 2048x2048 without it looking noisy. I used a texture from my old leather chair and I guess the scale was too high, but I will definitely go back to this before I put it on a reel.

Do you have access to super high res leather textures?

HaloAnimator · Nov 2008

Hey all, after some time to recover from getting sick, I have been working on some concept art for my next character model "Shadow Yamoto"

I am kind not feeling the strength and courage to shade this drawing effectively and maybe everyone here can give me some insight to making the drawing look cool...I am going for a gritty look to the colour scheme...

Here is where I am so far...

rooster · Nov 2008

jesus man do you really need so many massive images to get the point across?
you might scare people off the thread tbh

HaloAnimator · Nov 2008

hey rooster...I tried to make it small as possible...kind of loosing my courage with shading my drawings, perhaps you could give me some inspiration

butt_sahib · Nov 2008

Hey

To be very honest, i have no idea why your posting this here. Why would you post it when a project is finished and even if we DO point some helpers,its not like you would go back and change them;which would probably mean you didnt put 110% effort in the first place

BUt yeah,there is no need to post images at their actual size esp.the maps lol.Its better to post a reduced size of the image and maybe a link to a higher sized image for people who are interested.
Well,as far as the art is concerend, i pretty much agree with trimulant

For texture that are "superhigh res".maybe go check out www.cgtextures.com or mayangs library or link off the www.3d.sk site.

Welcome to the world of game art! :DLooking forward to your next model

Emil Mujanovic · Nov 2008

Welcome to the forum and great job on posting some art so early on.
Please excuse butt_sahib's initial response about why you're posting here. Everyone is welcome to post their art, whether its final or work in progress.
Your models are looking pretty good, though they could really use a bit more attention with the diffuse textures. They just seem like they are a flat colour with an ambient occlusion pass. A little bit of colour variation here and there would really help.
Most of the proportions of your characters are good, though they look a little thin/stretched, especially the hooded guy. In one shot you have him looking really squished and wide and then in the next he's really thin and stretched.
Keep up the good work and looking forward to seeing more art from you.

-caseyjones

HaloAnimator · Nov 2008

@CaseyJones: I thank you for the welcome. I am definitely learning something about game modelling and texturing, since my background and experience involves Pre-rendered CG models. As for the renders and drawings looking skewed, it may have been my render settings...Unfortunately, there is no way to get a good render without using the region.

@butt_Sahib: Thanks for the welcome.

My method of texturing is using my cavity maps to give models a very gritty look...hopefully with Shadow Yamoto, I can push this further with more detail...i often avoid "painting" light into my textures since I am going for cinematic quality models for the CryEngine2...

Stay tuned...

HaloAnimator · Nov 2008

Here is the finished drawing of some of the costume ideas for Shadow...while still learning the process...comic book style drawing I am also looking for feedback on which costume you all like the most, which will get the most updating to be modelled in 3D.

More concept art will be on the way...

Here is the high res one....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/3052181701_553c2a8e36_b.jpg

Thanks

HaloAnimator · Dec 2008

Hey all, just spending today working on my next character named Shadow Yamoto from the game eternal champions. At the moment I am working on some details like the torso and extremities...getting a feel for the mesh. I don't like the head at the moment and I hope to get it a bit more organic...

Anyway, here are some images for your leisure...and some feedback would be awesome...more to come

cholden · Dec 2008

A piece of character design you should address is silhouette. All character designs, within a unique character driven environment, must have their own profile so that they are instantly recognizable. The main cast from The Simpsons is a great example as are many of the classic cartoons. This illustrates what I mean.
http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/cartoon_silhouettes.gif

While you're not making cartoon characters, this does not exempt you from the basics of character design.

Taking your redesign of shadow for example, you've completely dumbed her down from a cool bandit/dominatrix to a monotone humanoid male. Beauty, sex appeal, danger, asymmetry all things to consider.

You would also be doing everyone a favor to change some of these images, especially the raw materials and reference to links to the files instead of posting all of these huge images. I have a feeling a lot of what you're trying to get across is lost in the image zerg.

HaloAnimator · Dec 2008

hey dude, thanks for the feedback...I am starting off with the human part of the model and the mask is coming afterward. The mask itself is a separate object that could have the possibility of getting horribly damaged during a fight.

As for the dominatrix thing, I was playing the game last night, and kind of figured I could make the redesign a bit more realistic especially in the clothing...make her more assassin-like (if i were chasing Shadow on a rooftop in the outfit from the 2d game, I would laugh my ass off instead of killing her) but i will keep the silhouette in mind while I am working on her.

More to come

As for the images, I'll just post links. BTW, what is a zerg?

oobersli · Dec 2008

i agree that you should stick to the original design more. If you go for the more realistic approach then your just making the character bland and generic. Characters from a fighting game have distinct personalities and looks to help seperate themself from the rest of the cast. Go overboard and give the chic more character and appeal. Going the simple route of a black jumpsuit and a rinky dinky mask is only hurting yourself in the end result.

HaloAnimator · Dec 2008

I was kind of thinking about that too...but the jumpsuit will have some insane details on it too... the reason for the realistic approach, is to make her more assassin like. most of the games I have played from Japan have characters that look ridiculously silly in outfits and I want to avoid that a little.

going overboard...I definitely will go crazy with the details...the black jumpsuit was just an idea i had in mind...I could go back and have the top low cut, but it would break the assassin part of the outfit...

More to come...

cholden · Dec 2008

Zoom out until your character is the size of a stamp. All your detail means nothing at this level. Your silhouette is still naked humanoid. This is the point you must understand before your skills in character design improve. This is the purpose of thumbnail sketches as it defines recognizable characters. Until you nail step one, all the other steps are in vain. This is not artistic subjectivity. It is fundamentals. Overlooking this now will only result in the same feedback for every piece you create.

HaloAnimator · Dec 2008

I will definitely keep this in mind...I usually like to create characters that are grounded in some realism.

I could go back and keep it close to the original in a few ways...maybe take away the shirt and stockings...and replace that with leather...and a choker...i did have a sketch of that too that i put away...

I think I will go back and attempt to match the original with a few extra things...more to come...

Marnik · Dec 2008

Maybe this is just me, but the weight distribution on your first model seems a little off. It seems like his head is to far ahead of the rest of himself.

I'm still incredibly new, so any more experienced modellers' input would be incredibly helpful.

HaloAnimator · Dec 2008

Hey everyone, just doing some more work on shadow this evening. After last night, I decided to go another direction with this character...trying to retain a little bit of the original design with some unique twists...still need to work on the arms and refine some parts of the model. I know it is looking dense atm, but will optimise down for the hair...

Stay tuned

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/3116345007_35d5a720a1_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/3116344875_7d7c936dfd_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/3117172582_ce66b4f919_o.jpg

rooster · Dec 2008

i think you should edit your older posts to supply links but post images of new stuff you want commented on

HaloAnimator · Dec 2008

Duly noted...will probably do that before the night is over...

Holi · Dec 2008

Hey Halo, I think you should shape her more athletic, just like that:

(a click to enlarge the pic)

HaloAnimator · Dec 2008

Holi: Holi moly, that is a nice pic lol...thanks for the feedback man...I was thinking about that too...it might be the bind pose that makes her look bigger that normal...I will do a quick pass in ZB to thin her out...

HaloAnimator · Dec 2008

Good morning everyone, just a quick update on Shadow Yamoto...still planning to do some work on the arms some more, maybe to get a nice poly flow to get rid of the tube look...

next steps are to work on the satin arm guards and gloves and additional objects like earrings and hair...stay tuned

cholden · Dec 2008

Those pants are looking somewhat unbecoming. You might take a look at how skankerzero handles the wireframes and detailing for his women.

http://skankerzero.com/

HaloAnimator · Dec 2008

@ cholden: Hey dude...I like how the wireframes look on skankerzero...very neat...I have a poly count for this character to be around 8-10k, including the hair which I am still learning...once I finish with the other objects, I will optimise the model to more manageable counts...

My one concern is if she will be able to bend and crouch without shearing...

more to come my friend...more to come...

JesterBox · Dec 2008

... cool stuff....

but now I'm sad.....

Free Radical.... WHHYYYYYYY !?

Time splitters 4.....

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HaloAnimator · Dec 2008

Good evening, just about to post some of my first ever hair modelling out of polystrips...(I have never done it this way so maybe someone can give me some advice...) Still trying to make the hair while keeping the polycount down...i am nearing 13k...not necessarily low enough...

By all means, I'm open to suggestions...

HaloAnimator · Dec 2008

hey, what's up everyone. I have been working on some interesting twists on this model and I decided to make this woman sexy and dangerous. I have already deleted parts that the top is covering and add some stuff like a tight belt holding the tanto up and will do some further optimising before unwrapping and textures...

It is a bit above 12k with the Tanto and other accessories...

More to come....I would love to know what you think before i move on...

HaloAnimator · Jan 2009

Hey everyone, after taking some time off from moving and dealing with life's personal toils, I have some updates from the zbrush side of this project. I am still trying to create some more details but I am hindered by a stupid OS constraint. But if anything, here are some shots. Stay Tuned.

Hi Res: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3510/3202057710_45cd862023_b.jpg

Hi Res: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3491/3201211559_f2cc9311a0_b.jpg

HaloAnimator · Jan 2009

Some updates on the texturing...doing my damnedest to squeeze in some skin pore details and also find some more variation in her colour pallete...she is mostly geared to be Japanese with a slighty darker tone of skin... more to come

Hi-Res: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3499/3204933887_760a927df9_o.jpg

Hi-Res: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3513/3204933785_6910192eaf_b.jpg

HaloAnimator · Jan 2009

hey everyone, just posting a few updates on this character...still working on details like the normal map...adding in tiny details that could not be added in the zb phase by handpainting it in photoshop...stay tuned...

I still need to work on her strap and her weapons....stay tuned

HaloAnimator · Jan 2009

Hey everyone...here is a quick update of the model I ended up remodeling the torso since I hated how it was coming and opted for a more heavy metal look

I am about to work on the arms as soon as I can find an optimal look for the polygon flow...and then I am going go for some optimisations.

stay tuned

konstruct · Jan 2009

still looking mighty frumpy man.

I think one of your issues is your trying to grow too many skills at once. I`m seriously not to sound like a jerk, but your modeling off of concepts that are way way off from looking good, so your model can help but look junky as a result. If your going to model with cards as a guide like you are, you need to make sure your cards are right and right now they arent. No ones thighs are that ballon shaped, no females neck is that wide unless they are on roids,

If you want to get good at modeling, find some propper ref, and chop it together to make cards that you can model off of. If you want to get better at drawing, study the human form WAY more- enroll in some figure drawing classes, read tons of anatomy. i see your doing that "human heads thing" which is a good place to start, but ultimatly distance relationships dont matter for jack shite unless you understand how all those distances come to be, via mucle masses etc.

sorry to be rough but eternal champions is near and dear to my heart and I feel you need a bit of harshness to accel with this project.

HaloAnimator · Jan 2009

Hey Konstruct...I want to thank for your feedback...that was the push I needed to really shine with this project. I also took your advice and dug into my rather extensive folder of human references and i am using the clips to mould the body the way which is realistic to some degree. Very helpful tactic...:). I also started to get back into drawing humans again using some neat references and poses that will help me get back on track.

I am trying to get the hands and arms looking good before i move on to unwrapping which is tons of fun with UV Layout...

P.S.: How long ago have you played Eternal Champions?

konstruct · Jan 2009

cool man, I`m glad I could help to some degree. I played the game a looog long time ago. maybe 5th 6th grade? dont really rememeber. all kinds of people talk trash about eternal champions but the fatalities man. [ame="

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erKpPsJR7iQ"]THE FATALITIES[/ame].

There has to more fatalities in eternal champions than in every single mortal combat combined- and that includes all the art lazy babealities etc.

just sayin.

HaloAnimator · Jan 2009

I feel you on that on...I love eternal champions so much that i am going to model all of the characters including the hidden ones...may do a few levels too if I feel inspired. It is all about practise for me...and I should look for some male model refs because I am modelling Midknight next...which should be one nasty project...

And yes, the fatalities are HORRIFIC...MK has NOTHING on this...still...

if you are wondering which ref i am using now, here it is:

http://fineart.sk/show.php?w=657.

konstruct · Jan 2009

ah I`d find something different man, she might be asian, but shes pretty short and stalky, and shadow is anything but. I`d look at Holis ref.

HaloAnimator · Jan 2009

Here are some updates...still trying to fix the proportions and define some additional details like Kunais and a better belt to hold up here knife...

anyway, hack away...

HaloAnimator · Jan 2009

good evening, before i move on to some zbrush work and all of the good stuff, i would like some feedback on the newer proportions and details...things like buttons, straps will be added later on in the normal mapping phase... if anything, leave some feedback and suggestions...

HaloAnimator · Feb 2009

Hey everyone, I have found some time to do some updates to my shadow model...I started the texturing phase, laying down some basic colours to work and trying to get a start on the hair placement and texturing

well, feel free to leave some feedback...stay tuned...

HaloAnimator · Feb 2009

hey, here is some of my very crappy hair that I am trying to paint...the specular maps will come, but i just need the hair to look nice... any advice to improve the hair...?

thanks

Chunkey · Feb 2009

eyes are sitting waaaaaay too low... actually proportions on the head are funky as hell I would say go and get a photo of a woman who is has similar features to what you imagine the character to look like and mark out the proportions- at the moment it looks like the distance from the outer bottom corner of her nose to her eyes is too short, which gives her a massive forehead and a deformed look.

hope that helps dude

HaloAnimator · Feb 2009

Hey dude...that definitely helps a bit...although I am too far along to change anything on the model... I actually used the eye size trick that i learned from portrait-artist.org...

see it here: http://www.portrait-artist.org/face/structure4.html

I will go back and move the eyes and ears up some...that should fix some of the problems with the face...I even have the drawing that I used if you want to see that

HaloAnimator · Mar 2009

Hey what's up everyone...just doing some updates on this model...finally glad to be into the texture tweaking phase (always fun isn't it). As I am looking at the model, I feel there could be more detail but i don't want to plaster the honeycomb relief all over the model...and I was watching elektra while I was doing this...and leather might moire up when viewed in the renderer of my choice....i was going to fake it using a noise texture...

Any help and suggestions will be great... going to work on the hair again...my sister didn't like how it hid her face so I am working on a more sporty pulled back style... and here are renders from Mental Ray...

Stay Tuned

Project Resurrection

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