Demo reel concept drawings
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Gallina Carnivora (flesheating chicken)
Ancestor of our nowadays chicken. This bird steals the eggs of other creatures and scavenges the flesh of the carcasses of dead animals. His big developed leg muscles give him the speed to run or flee from foes. His pointy beak is used to crack open dinosaur eggs.
Alterations:
The Legs as shown on the concept drawing will be replaced with an ostrich leg, including the foot.
Neck and skull refference is provided by the maribou stork.
Some Earlier versions:
Ancestor of our nowadays chicken. This bird steals the eggs of other creatures and scavenges the flesh of the carcasses of dead animals. His big developed leg muscles give him the speed to run or flee from foes. His pointy beak is used to crack open dinosaur eggs.
Alterations:
The Legs as shown on the concept drawing will be replaced with an ostrich leg, including the foot.
Neck and skull refference is provided by the maribou stork.
Some Earlier versions:
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Looking cool man, I had no idea how large the head drawings were before you showed me the picture of you working on them. Now you better start modeling, slacker.
I think the bird had a nicer leg feel and bulk in the early sketch faze. He feels smaller and more fragile in the final version.
Also you lost a bit of the perspective in the rendering of the 3/4 of the head drawing. It felt much more correct in the line drawing. Mainly from the size of the brow ridge. Both the rendering and the line work though, the perspective of the mouth is different than of the eye sockets.
Minor quibbles, I'm sure you'll do nicely at the modeling stage.
I agree with Ben that you're losing some depth and perspective going from sketch to render, the same happened with the bird and the 3/4 view of the head.
I think this is because your rendering isn't accurately modelling the way light would fall on the subject, some of the highlights seem very randomly placed and there are no evident cast shadows even though the light source is implied to be strong and sharp.
So yeah, work on the rendering a bit more and show you have a real understanding of what is happening with the light playing over the volumes and forms of the things you're drawing.
Looks good though, seems like a good starting point for modelling.
Keep it up
About the light thing Mop pointed out. I wanted to use shading in a way to define the forms and volume a bit better. I didn't draw in much of the cast shadows for the sake of clearity of the concept, but you're right. They should have been there perhaps.
I think I have a name for my chicken, or actually 2:
- Gallina carnivora (flesheating chicken in latin)
- Rostrum its Latin for beak of a bird and the prow of a ship. The beak is self-explanatory and the prow of a ship, I think its belly looks kinda like that.
Then for some contrast try working some green in there.
Alex
hah like I'm a seasoned pro
nah man I actually was
It show improvement.
I am, for one, want to look at your work if is bad or not. You might be a noob but I don't care, as long as you want to improve your work and looking for crits.
This is why I come here daily and look at everyone post.
Well now it's back on the first page anyway, I might as well give an update. I've started modeling my first demo reel model, which will be the gallina carnivora (flesh eating chicken). I will show you some progress later. I made some alterations to the concept, but I didn't alther the drawings. Instead I searched for tons of refference to help me with certain parts. The leg / neck for now. For those who really want to see my concept drawings. I've edited my first post.
Finish the full drawing before you 3dmodel it!
Also WETA used that stork as a basis for one of their evil birds on Skull Island in King Kong, it works very well, it's one of the most nasty looking birds alive!
Keep us posted on the model!
If I see one more post in the manner of your other 4 (ie. unhelpful and offensive), then you'll be looking at a ban.
Consider this a warning.
Sorry about that, JBoskma.
Silhouette of the proxy:
but so far i think you've got a couple of different ideas going that don't quite harmonize--true, you've spent a lot of time developing the individual muscles and features and whatnot, but the overall creature doesn't mesh. it certainly doesn't match the description, at any rate. usually i'm not all that big on sweating some of the smaller stuff, but as i recall from the first time you posted, if it's realism you're going for then there's a fair bit more research and thinking to be done yet if you ask me.
first, why doesn't it match the description? you say it's a big carnivorous chicken, the predecessor for the modern chicken, and yet you're referencing most of the biology from dissimilar birds like ostriches. which is all well and good, as ostriches are about a thousand time more interesting looking than chickens... i just wouldn't call it a chicken.
but it doesn't work as an ostrich forebearer, either--an ostrich has vestigial wings, which would suggest that evolutionarily, this bird spent a lot of evo-juice (my term, and you better believe i'm copyrighting it, too
so why not posit this unfortunate creature as one that died out as evolutionarily unfit at some point? saves you the trouble of trying to having to shoehorn certain characteristics into a modern bird that it looks nothing like.
out of curiosity, have you considered bouncing these ideas off of an actual biologist? that's who i'd be talking to if i was trying to design a prehistoric something or other. visually, this creature doesn't work for me either. which is good, i guess, since i can't take on any more employees at this point, at least not in the "egg stealing and eating" department.
alright all joking aside, it's awkward looking. the one bit that really bothers me is the attachment point for those forelimbs, and the fact that it has ridiculously large upper arms, which is completely out of keeping with birds or dinosaurs of a similar nature. the chest muscles are highly developed as they ought to, but i just don't get those powerlifter upper arms. what is it using those big arms for, with such a short reach? combined with his huge chicken butt, partial chicken features on an ostrich neck and a very bird-y looking head and beak...
for all the overtly bird features, nary a feather? google "fuzzy raptor," which is an awesome looking dino-bird thing... that thing was already developing feathers, and yet had an extremely dino-looking head still. your creature seems to have developed some extremely bird-like characteristics, feet, body, head, etc, yet has no feathers, a vestigial tail, and dino style forelimbs? it just looks like the body parts have been evolving at completely different rates with respect to each other.
i'm not saying this concept can't work, i just think it could probably use some rethinking for it to be a bit more consistent with what we understand of evolution, as well as to make it look more pleasing and sensical on a visual level. but hey, i could be totally off on that point--if you've got references for bird-y dinosaurs that had these kind of features, then i stand corrected.
that being said, i'm glad you've reposted this work and are sharing your progress with us. your male modeling project was ambitious but i think it clearly paid dividends, and i think you'll reap similar rewards after this project. the hardest won battles often carry the most memorable lessons... so keep at it. hope this is helpful.
Good points gauss. Let's see, the name / backstory of the creature. I guess the story only counts for his personality, and character. That it isn't much of a chicken anymore, is right. ''so why not posit this unfortunate creature as one that died out as evolutionarily unfit at some point?''
Good point mate, allthough my reel is purely focused towards modeling and less towards concept art, but it might save me some problems indeed.
Good points concerning the big upper arms. I will deffinatly slim them down once I'm there with the modeling. Do you have any suggestions / drawovers, on how to connect the arms in a better way?
Oh and I'm indeed going for realism in the modeling / texturing aproach. Once this thing is done it should be at the quality that it would fit seamlessy in a film shot. (that's where I'm aiming for, not saying I will succeed though).
But I wasn't as much focused on the 'real' part concerning the biological state of things. I got inspired by a photo of a featherless chicken, and I wanted to build an interesting looking creature from that. Where featherless wings didn't make much sense to me, I replaced them with arms. The arms will indeed apear a lot more like wings in the model, then they do in the concept btw. The position / muscle structure will be more birdy then human.
You've brought up a few excelent points though, which I'd love to discuss with you a bit more. Do you happen to use msn? feel free to send me a pm with your details. Thanks!
nice stuff
chico
props
Daz's red demon/human highpoly model was a great example of this - his poly distribution was such that only the areas which needed detail had the extra polys, and smooth areas were nicely handled with as few control edges as possible so as to keep them easy to manipulate and consistent when subdivided.
Do you have a bone in the thigh? It kinda looks a little odd to me around the area where the leg is bending, it almost looks like it shouldn't attach that high - the entire upper leg joint is fused to the body, and only becomes a free-moving leg past the knee joint.
Also I still think that control mesh is ridiculous
Good that your instructors like it though. Keep it up.
once again, i'm a big fan. keep it going bro
The upper leg is actually not really a leg, more some muscles that drive the 'lower leg'. It's hard to explain for me, here's a picture that should illustrate what I mean.
Ninjas, I see what you mean, I'll smooth it out, I think you are right.
John, thanks man, good to hear that you like it!
Mop, here's the picture:
Here you can see that the top part is attached to the body:
Your dinochicken model is truly an inspiring piece of artwork. From concept to model you've really managed to create a believable critter. I have nothing to offer as far as crits go because I have absolutely no experience with hi poly nor chickens
Props to you kiddo, now stop playing WoW & finish it up already!
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