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I'm wondering what the best codec/format choice is for videos in your portfolio. I want to make sure it's widely compatible to avoid any problems of the video not working at all for someone out there. Any suggestions? blush.gif

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  • Daz
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    Daz polycounter lvl 18
    Well, in my many years of viewing demo reels that come into the studio at work, quicktime has never failed where other formats have. I think it's still the 'safest' bet, although probably not the best. I'm still trying to figure the exact output myself: http://boards.polycount.net/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=89998&an=0&page=0#89998

    I'm sure some folks will have some other ideas. Divx seems popular. I just don't wan't the silly logo.
  • Asthane
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    Asthane polycounter lvl 18
    This was touched on in this thread recently as well, and myself came to the conclusion: You can't please everyone, so just make two or three wink.gif No one will complain if you offer .mov, a divx/xvid .avi, and a bink .exe
  • Toomas
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    Toomas polycounter lvl 18
    I would not send .exe anything, also atleast for me some movie files reboot my computer for who knows why and if someone sent me cd with one of those i would throw it away.
    So that leaves you .mov (perferably few versions old so they wouldnt have to upgrade).
  • CheapAlert
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    CheapAlert polycounter lvl 18
    some people use techsmith codec on avi, some people use xvid for avis, also for ultimate sharpness (if it matters) you could use x264/h264 encoded on avis.
  • hawken
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    hawken polycounter lvl 19
    I would go and state the obvious...

    WMV is installed with XP, ergo it must be on every computer. (unless in the rare case of Mac or Linux users at the company, checking portfolios, unlikely.)

    so, WMV is your safest bet.
  • Asthane
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    Asthane polycounter lvl 18
    [ QUOTE ]
    I would not send .exe anything, also atleast for me some movie files reboot my computer for who knows why and if someone sent me cd with one of those i would throw it away.
    So that leaves you .mov (perferably few versions old so they wouldnt have to upgrade).

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Well, I certainly hope you're never in charge of reviewing reels then. "I'm using a borked computer" is a lousy reason to throw away someone's reel.
  • thomasp
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    why would you need a reason to throw away someone's reel? one more or less on the pile... what does it matter? an applicant who makes access to his work unneccessarily hard, did just fail in lesson number one, i'd say. ;]

    nah, definitely avoid anything platform specific, like wmv. or even worse, an exe - probably rejected by any decent virus scanner anyway. and i'm with toomas - make sure to choose a codec version that's not bleeding edge. the safest bet is still mpg, runs anywhere, but of course doesn't compress well/looks shabby in many cases.
    quicktime sorenson sounds reasonable, divx and xvid are common, too.

    for someone applying in the film/vfx industries, there's a high chance that the reel will be reviewed on a linux or mac box.
  • Asthane
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    Asthane polycounter lvl 18
    [ QUOTE ]
    why would you need a reason to throw away someone's reel? one more or less on the pile... what does it matter? an applicant who makes access to his work unneccessarily hard, did just fail in lesson number one, i'd say. ;]

    [/ QUOTE ]

    My point was that it's a problem unique to his setup. It's not the reviewee making his stuff difficult to view, it's the reviewer having a funky system wink.gif

    Oh, and I just noticed, no one has mentioned simply burning it as a DVD, if it's physical distribution. Is it a bad idea?
  • Daz
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    Daz polycounter lvl 18
    WMV's actually don't even work on my pc, ever since I installed Battlefield 2! I just get a black screen in media player. Go figure. Wether it's EA or windows that is crap, or a bit of both, driver updates and other stuff haven't fixed it, and googling has found people with similiar problems. I'd agree with thomasp in avoiding anything platform specific.
  • hawken
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    hawken polycounter lvl 19
    VHS!

    but seriously, why not get a DVD making soft for free, and mail a DVD out? much more fun.
  • Toomas
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    Toomas polycounter lvl 18
    [ QUOTE ]
    My point was that it's a problem unique to his setup. It's not the reviewee making his stuff difficult to view, it's the reviewer having a funky system wink.gif

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Its not a system but a codec thing, and the situation is like if it reboots with some i could fix it but then it wont show some other file and it only happens with open-source codecs.
    Now .wmv is not very reliable, after i was forced to install the lates ms media thingy by The Movies .wmv went to hell (ironically it includes The Movies movies laugh.gif ) so i can usually get the funky colors back to normal if i disable hardware decoding but not all work thus i call it unreliable.
    So that leaves .mov that is rather popular and has been 100% reliable in my case anyways (by that i mean i have been able to watch any and all .mov's i wanted with latest QT, occasional player crashes happen but it only takes a second to start it again).
  • thomasp
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    sending dvd's: sure, those will work anywhere. however you have to send it the old fashioned way. if you're applying for a specific position, this might be the way to go! but too costly if you want to mass mail everyone.
    then there's those companies who specifically ask for dvd's, but in games this does not seem too common.

    asthane: my point is all what matters is that the reviewer can see your work. sure, he could have f**ked up his system, his mediaplayer might not have web access rights to download the neccessary codec update or maybe the tech staff set it up incorrectly in the first place or whatever. either way they won't bother with trying to fix it, instead the reel will be thrown away.
  • Toomas
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    Toomas polycounter lvl 18
    DVD's have this one little problem too that by the time your DVD reaches its destination the position might be allready filled.
    Also i would find it more comfy to click links rather than opening mail and physically swapping disks. You open the mail, go to the senders portfolio site, if you like what you see you d/l the reel, if not then just close the page and repeat.

    BTW im not sure if a reel is that much requiered anymore, judging by the job offers it seems like modelers/texturers can just get away with pictures mostly. IMHO its very hard to judge the reel that is like 640x480 and that shows a texture that would be 1024x1024 but now its just some blurry mess, same goes to models aswell. Whats the point? So you can have rotating model? Wee so so cool, i havnt seen rotating model before!!!
  • FatAssasin
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    FatAssasin polycounter lvl 18
    Personally, I like to make streaming quicktime videos using Quicktime Pro. That way file size isn't so much of an issue, and anyone can just go directly to the page to view the video. No downloading necessary.

    Here's my own sample pages where I've done just that:
    http://jhaywood.com/FX.htm

    The movies could even be bigger and they would still start right away. They just stream in the background while you're watching, depending on the connection speed of course. But I'm assuming that any company whith enough funds to hire Daz would have a fast connection.

    Edit: Of course, you can also add a download option if someone still wants to save the movie to their HD. But at least they don't have to wait to start watching it.
  • Daz
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    Daz polycounter lvl 18
    [ QUOTE ]

    BTW im not sure if a reel is that much required anymore, judging by the job offers it seems like modelers/texturers can just get away with pictures mostly. IMHO its very hard to judge the reel that is like 640x480 and that shows a texture that would be 1024x1024 but now its just some blurry mess, same goes to models aswell. Whats the point? So you can have rotating model? Wee so so cool, i havnt seen rotating model before!!!

    [/ QUOTE ]
    I think it somewhat depends on who you are applying to, and what kind of an impression you want to make. If you look at jobs pages on sites from pre-rendered cg shops for instance, the only method they offer up for you to submit work is by physical media. i.e a mailed in DVD. Personally I think that making a decent reel is worth it under the right circumstances. It can be a ton of work, so it is a pain though I agree. In terms of presentation the most polished looking reels always seem to be students, since they have the time to devote to it. My biggest pet peeve loking at reels was film modelers just showing huge chunks of a movie they worked on and calling that their reel. It's seemed to be the done thing. Obviously it seems acceptable for animators to do that, but modelers? It's arrogant and lazy and simply doesn't show your specific models in working detail.

    Looks good James!
  • Toomas
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    Toomas polycounter lvl 18
    Lol modeler showing shot from a complete movie?? Its post-processed to hell and back so you cant even tell if the model looks good because of him or because of some chinese guy in the basement who painted half of it by hand.
  • Daz
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    Daz polycounter lvl 18
    Yeah, EA are very easily wowed by film people. About half the studio at hq are people from film, and it's growing more and more. I'd interview modelers and they'd be showing me clips of the Matrix or Constantine or whatever as their reels. I'm like 'er, do you have any of your actual models that I can look at? Some wireframes perhaps?' It used to drive me fricking crazy.
  • Downsizer
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    Downsizer polycounter lvl 18
    Daz, if you have clone monitor setup the video will display black on the non primary display. Dunno if that helps you or not. But it's the most common occurance of that.

    NTSC res perhaps on the reels? DVD hard copy would be impressive, most people can play dvds, and it negates the need of codecs. Dunno.
  • SideEffect
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    SideEffect polycounter lvl 19
    Thanks a lot everyone! Once again you guys have told me everything I wanted to know. grin.gif
  • Rick Stirling
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    Rick Stirling polycounter lvl 18
    Daz - are you using an nVidia card?

    If so, go to the advanced card settings and go to Video Overlay settings. Switch from standard to advanced, then back again. that might sort it.
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