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(in this thread you can see a soldier with alot copy paste zones from a hawkprey concepts (gears of war ) , maybe you can see parts of your art on it :P .
>>Naughtyboy (soldier concept)
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56016&page=1
>>Gears of War concept .
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/747/747891/img_3113374.html
>>Naughtyboy (soldier concept)
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56016&page=1
>>Gears of War concept .
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/747/747891/img_3113374.html
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Good eye man
Seriously, maybe being from China, the largest country for pirated stuff, he just isn't aware that it's wrong to do?
Although this person has skill, you're dead right about this and it's damn lame.
He atleast needs to be told to give credit where credit is due.
Ah, and I think this thread should have been posted in GD. *Shrug*
This is other image , I see the image time ago then i foud the conan images and his hands are really = .
Gary said " there were very little guidelines and all I was told was to create a warrior figure "
http://www.gamasutra.com/galleries/visual_art/gary_freeman/work7.htm
(I'm fan of gary's art)
As for the first one, copying and pasting others stuff might be handy to get the feel of a concept down quickly- shouldn't be publicly pimped tho
Nothing wrong with the conan pose though, since he only copied the pose and not the actual art. Don't see anything too wrong with that, although it does lack imagination.
Also the design part is two fold, i wouldnt say that its stealing unless its pretty much copy-paste, you see everyone has some inspiration that comes from others work etc. so i would say nothing is 100% original.
This post has nothing to do with the chinese guy work as such (so no one would say i defend/attack him or something) but merely my toughts on the subject.
There's a difference between inspiration, and tracing other people's work.
But hawken is right.
*shrug*
i am really bothered by artists doing this. i can understand taking shortcuts in a production atmosphere. it's tempting to use something as a guide, but it only hurts you as an artist.
when i was younger, i would smell like a gross little kid, and my mom would make me take showers. it's the typical bath war, where the kid doesn't want to take a bath, and the mom is laying down the law.
to defeat her, i would simply agree, go into the bathroom, turn on the shower, sit on the toilet seat and pout about how unfair my mom is being.
i would reach into the shower and breakup the water so it sounds as if i was standing in it, thump the basin of the tub as if they were foot steps, pickup and putdown the shampoo and conditioner to imply i was using them on my hair.
during breaks of creating realisticlly timed sound effects to throw my mom off, i'd use the batroom sink to wet my face, arms, and hair.
i'd turn off the shower and be on my way to go to sleep. my mom would call me down and check to see if i'd showered. she smelled my hair and rubbed it with her fingers to see if it squeeked. after a strange look, shed say "okay, good night."
because i got away with it, didn't make the fact that i cheated ok. i put just as much effort into created the effect i have taken a shower, when i could have just taken a damn shower.
30 minutes later, while laying in my bed, mom would knock on my door, flip the lights on and say, "take a real shower this time". you always get caught in the end.
What would you think if you loaded up a thread in CA's "Finally Finished" section and saw a piece of your own work being used as a base (visibly and noticeably) for someone else's art?
Suspicious:
"sorry this thread has been taken down for some reason :P"
loads of pro artists use the block model approach because it isn't stealing, it's their own work. often they use their own photos too.
Linda Bergkvist has often publicly stated that she often uses photos in her painting to add texture. Can you point me to the place where she was found to be "lying" about using photos in painting? Personally I find it hard to believe, but if it happened, I'd like to see the evidence, and if it's true then my opinion of her would probably drop a fair bit.
There was a thread a while back on CA forums were a Blizzard concept artist was caught doing the same thing . He was amazingly talented but streight up painted over some pretty well known mecha design to make his own robots .
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Yup, carlo got busted for overpainting the Maddox suit's arm. But using your photos, or models as a base isn't a crime. Just as long as it's your own shit.
i draw the line here: in a production atmosphere, drawing over a 3d mesh is acceptable. in that environment, there is a need for a lot of content. hawkprey himself uses this methood. it not only helps get the perspective and foreshortening correct on complex forms that otherwise would take more time getting right just to present a concept, it also gives models a step up for modeling the concept with correct proportions.
i don't see using other artist's works as a guide very good practice. and if they do, they better make sure nobody can tell.
outside of this atmosphere, cite your sources in your studies, otherwise, shame on you! the only benefit here is to decieve others into giving you props. that is selfish and just uncool nigga! i am of the mind, that you're only hurting yourself as an artist, stunting your growth as one.
-killing.crutches
Oh well, if it happened, I guess it was an error of judgment on her part, since she's admitted using photos before. Weird!
I didn't get to see any of the other examples firsthand, so maybe I'm off, but the posted example of the paint-over for Gorge isn't really that bad. Yes, he ought not to have left that bit showing through, but isn't the vast majority of the piece his own work?
To answer your question MoP, if I saw a piece that had as small a piece recognizeably taken from one of my pieces as that chestplate from Gorge, frankly I think I'd be a little flattered. Credit would be nice, but I think when you get to the point in your career when people are basing their work off yours, you probably don't need to worry about it.
The Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony" is based on a small snippet from a Rolling Stone song. The end result is nothing like the original, but the song wouldn't exist without that sample. A lot of people like that song... would they rather it just not exist because it uses a piece of an existing song?
I suggest clicking on NaughtyBoy's profile and checking out the previous threads he's started... he's got a large body of work with some very original, interesting pieces.
We can all agree that yes, if you're going to work like this you should credit your sources and ask nicely, etc. etc... but I think people are far too sensitive about the issue. There are so many shitty artists out there right now that slap a trademark and a giant signature on their pieces when they'd be lucky to have anyone pay attention to their work, much less rip it off.
ye i think he posted a while ago some insane shit,
no, if that's the dude then he can draw like a mofo...
and it deffinitely didn't look ripped off to me.
but hey, who knows
as a noob, it's fine.
if u "claim" it as ur own shit,
gotta credit.
no credit = disrespect.
and that's bad karma right there.
this whole china is different thing, i don't buy this crap.
this is the internet, and fuck sake in the middle of ca.org..
u gotta respect others, and u gotta credit.
Basically if you post some images up as if they're your own work, and a portion of it is not, you're misrepresenting yourself. And if one image is proven to be a direct copy in areas (admittedly the other areas were well done, but still, WHY!?), why should I believe that the other images aren't similarly copied from a source I don't recognise?
Like shotgun says, no credit = disrespect ... if you're using such a large portion of someone else's work as your own.
i personally wouldn't ever take without giving credit, but you know... i'd also like to be given the benefit of the doubt if ever i was accused of something like this. there was a case of this sort of thing not too long ago that i think people would do well to evaluate. as someone had in their sig on here, "originality is the art of concealing your source," so i guess this guy's crime was not cheating thoroughly enough?
someone can shamelessly use all the hallmarks of a particular artist down to everything but the actual brushstrokes and that's not stealing? i think the issue deserves just a little more careful consideration. the idea of "stealing" from another artist is on the same spectrum as being "inspired" by an artist.
In asia copying is not frowned upon. I have some chinese friends and they find little difference between "original" and "copy", giving no preference to something original and going for the cheapest Pok
This guy literally cut and pasted bits of somebody elses work. That's just incredibly wrong.