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Hey Polycounters  

I'm working on a new personal project.
My intention is a realistic or lets say beliveable realtime character. The design is currently based on a combination of a human and different animal parts to create an interesting looking shape.

I started with a bust sketch to define the character and at the moment I'm working on a concept to block out the body and cloth style.
I really enjoy the idea of making an alien shaped character with more humanoid clothes, how does a long leg character put on pants?   

Stay tuned for updates and C&C is allways welcomend  ;)


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  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    Next round ....

    I started with the blockout of the overall body proportions, I really enjoy the process of adding base shapes and move them into the right position  =)
    For the feet I think I will go into some kind of long fingers with floating skins between to still show the see creature background of this species. Over the millions of years... this race is now a fast runner.

  • Alemja
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    Alemja ngon master
    Neat! I think it's coming along well, though I think  to get more feedback it would be helpful to have a concept or reference sheet. I think it would be really helpful for any clothing you have in mind.
  • Crazy_pixel
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    @Alemja

    Thank you and sure here is a first sheet for the cloth parts.
    I really like the idea of a victorian style with bulgy pants and ornaments. The materials are modern out of a futuristic material ... But I hat huge problems with "normal pants and these legs  =) and then I found the leg warmer for horses.
    Can't wait to start the cloth blockout ^^


  • Crazy_pixel
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    Hey ho,

    working on the aarm shapes. I really like the idea of combined fingers, Looks like an evolutional thingy :D:D 
    Also I made a silhouette tes. So far I like what I'm seeing ....



  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    Hey,

    I'm still not happy with the overall shape and I had a few problems with the questions of how this character moves, does the center of gravity works etc.

    So I started a new interation. I think I will change the feet too. I like this shape because noch I have also more volumes for baroque clothes ^^


  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    Next round shape exploration.
    I think I go with this anatomy. I like the feet ( it's based on an ostrich bird) and each hand has two thumbs  =)


  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    I started refining the legs a little bit more. In the end there will be cloth but for my personal fun I played with more muscle and bone shapes  :#

  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    Yesterday was not leg but feet day  =)
    I blended all the volumes together and reshaped the main volumes a little bit more. Furthermore I pushed the shape of the ankle to have a  more interesting shape.

    Well and a question would be toenails yes or no .....

  • Alex_J
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    Alex_J high dynamic range
    Interesting character. What does the title mean? "Neo-baroque?" I came here expecting some kind of medieval art, lol. 
  • Crazy_pixel
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    @Alex Javor Thank you  :)

    And yes the neo baroque .... I like the clothes of this century and the rich environmental design. Soo I want to create a mix between scifi and baroque. That means neon light ... metal for cloth parts but also pattern for walls and fabrics.

  • Crazy_pixel
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    Hi,
    new update stuff. I finished the hand volumes so the body is basicaly finish and I can start with the retopo.
    And because I like rendering here are a few new images  :#


  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    Today was doodle day .... so I played just with a few shapes. Could be one of the babys from my alien species :D:D 

    And yes there are flying in small baby cribs.
  • Crazy_pixel
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    Hey folks,

    I'm working ( very slowly) on the retopo of the head. Because I want to make facial expressions for the presentation I put a lot of time into the planing of the edgeflow. This time I tried a different workflow (because I'm lazy and I hate retopo ^^)
    I used the Head Basemesh from Wrap, because of the nice edgeflow, and made cuts to seperate different areas for the face like mouth/ nose, eyesockets, cheek area etc.
    Then I wrapped those geo patches on top of my mesh and made tweaks via move brush and projections in Zbrush.
    I have to fill the missing areas and stitch every patch together but the base line is now established.



    Also ( with a pair of fresh eyes from my girlfriend) I think the butt is to heavy for the overall shape.
    I reduced the size about 50% and I must confess that I love the new shape. It looks now more interesting and it's better to read.

  • Crazy_pixel
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    Head retopo is done, I also worked on the group layout for better isolations. I think the small part on the nose looks a little to dense. Maybe I rework at this point the edgeflow a little bit.(  the "eyebrows" and fins of the back of the head are still missing because I handle them als seperated objects for a cleaner topo solution
    Furthermore I reprojected all the current details on the new topology.

    Next step ... body. Lucky me I only have to take care of the arms, hands and feet because the rest of the torso will be only important for the cloth simulation.
  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    Quick update....

    I'm working on the body retopo. Using single patches works pretty well for me. Most of the time I just have to create the inbetween patches. But I still have a lot of the mesh to cover ^^ ......  why I made such a big shape  =)=)=)  

    Can't wait to start with the Hand ...I'm excited if my two thumb topology  will work properly ...

  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    Working on the hands! I is really realxing making a proper edgeflow. Also I love it that I can work very symmetrical on this hand ^^

  • Joseph_Bramlett
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    Joseph_Bramlett polycounter lvl 2
    The project seems to be coming along pretty well. Do you plan to do reinforced topology for the knuckles? I also like the smaller but. Looking through the thread I kind of was put off by its initial inclusion but this is a nicer middle ground i think. 
  • Will_Maccabe
    I really like this character, it is something different. The white renders are great, the modelling is really coming on. 
    Keep going! Looking forward to seeing the outfit designs you come up with.
  • Crazy_pixel
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    Thank you guys for the feedback  :)

    @Joseph_Bramlett
    Yeah the tile seems a little bit confusing, I will call it Alien Baroque!
    Yes the nuckles will be more detailed but I don't know if I should really build round edgeloops for the definitions in terms of to many 6 sided edges and the pinching in Zbrush during the subdvision. 

    @Will_Maccabe
    Glad you like it. I'm also looking forward to start with the cloth. I think I will start crying because of sewing patterns ^^ 

    Oh and here is an update of the hand .. almost done!




  • Crazy_pixel
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    I could't resist and started to set up my lookdev scene for my character ^^
    I used the digital human eye shader as base for my own version to hand ebigger eyes.


  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    Yesterday I couldn't resist and so I sculpted an iris for my character.
    The bake is done, now I have to work on the albedo.
    HP sculpt


    Engine devlook


  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    I amde progress on her eyes. the texturing was fun to make.

  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    jumping back to topology ... sometimes I hate this stage so I made other things instead.
    Why ...why I sculpted so many fancy shapes??? :D 

    But when this is done, I can finally reproject my current highpoly on the new topology and then bring my character in the right scale and I can start working on the cloth shapes!



  • Crazy_pixel
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    Good evening, I finally finished my base retopo  :#

    I made a few changes on the fly to have later better deformations in the face.
    Furthermore I set up my Materials for Zbrush. It is really nice that you can use material data to create polygroups.
    Which helps me a lot when it comes to the shaping and cleaning of the mouth corners.

    I prepared two images to show you the current and hopefully final edgeflow of the face.

    Maye (that could be an interesting Idea)  I use the highpoly head also to make a rough skull shape to define better which parts are bone and where are the soft areas. Could be useful to understand and lay down the movement of the facial expressions  :)



  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    Hey all,

    small update. I reporjected the initial sculpt on the new basebody and I started to refine her facial volumes. I tried to work with less hard edges, onstead I gave her face a more round areas.

  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    Hey,
    currently I'm working on the cloth stuff ^^ I guess it's my second work with Marvelous because in the past I just sculpted jackets, pants etc. 
    Also it is a huge challenge for me to make a cloth design that would work in real.

    So herea a a few screenshots for you guys :)



  • snorrow
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    snorrow greentooth
    Pretty cool! I'm sure you'll come up with very interesting look :)
  • Crazy_pixel
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    snorrow said:
    Pretty cool! I'm sure you'll come up with very interesting look :)
    Thank you :) 

    The cloth base is almost finished. In these Corona days I have barely time to work on my project but after next week I'm able to post new images and carry on working on her.


  • Crazy_pixel
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    Hey ho,

    finally an update since my home office is over. I had the work pc at home so I couldn't work on my own stuff. for almost 4 weeks.

    But anyway here is a cloth preview. I reworked the overall design and made the gament pieces. was a lot of fun and I really enjoy marvelous in terms of picking an corner and more it around in realtime ^^ The side part was a tricky one because It has to be stiff and so I build extra geometry to match my design idea.

    Concept ( also now slightly different as the geometrie but I'm fine with it)


    Zbrush preview

  • tysiu
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    tysiu keyframe
    This looks so nice. I like the new clothes.
  • Crazy_pixel
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    @tysiu
    Thank you :) I like it too.
    I think I will add some geometrie details later but first I have to make the retopo and the reprojection of the folds.
  • shayleen_hulbert
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    shayleen_hulbert interpolator
    I'm really enjoying the progress so far! Seeing how you are adapting the fashion to suit the alien body is really neat.
  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    @shayleen_hulbert
    Thank you I appreciate it  :) 
  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    yay update time ....

    finally I have cleaned and reprojected all the cloth pieces on my new sculpting friendly topology. Oh boy sometimes is working with clothes a tricky thing.

    Anyway, here is the latest highpoly screenshot. I will now start detailing the cloth and skin parts. Hmm also I need teeth and jewelery for the character ... 

    Stay tuned for more!  =)
  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    Hi,

    I made today a few scribbles to play with an idea for her eyelashes/eyebrows and also  head jewellery designs 


  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
    Hey,
    update time ....

    I modeled the eyebrow/ tentacle thingys and also I made concepts for other Jewellery stuff






  • Crazy_pixel
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    Hey ho,

    I worked further on my project, adding head/feet jewellery details and buttons for the jacket, giving her finger and toenails oh and I made the tentacle antennas for her head.

    Also I made a few more devlook renderings and I think I'm going with an golden jacket lining material to break up the overall bluish tone and creating a more interesting contrast. And fuck I love it! 

    For the rendering I also painted the piping to create a better visual guide for the further steps.


  • Crazy_pixel
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    Hey ho,

    current status of my project ...
    I'm working on the refinement of the clothes and skin parts. I Added the biggest volumes and wrinkles for the skin because I want this as part of my later bake process.
    The pores and smaller skin details will be made within substance painter, because I then I have a better controll of the detail dimensions and can tweak faster compared to a pure sculpted mesh.

    What I really enjoyed was the sculpting of her lips, her face has now more depth and looks natural.

    For the baking and texturing process, I duplicated her head and made an slightly open mouth position too. 
    Now I can bake without cleaning normal maps in small areas like mouth corner and also I was able to reshape her lipline better than I would be able to do with a closed mouth.

    Here are a few detail pictures :





  • DavidCruz
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    DavidCruz greentooth
    Hmmm, really nice work and the dedication is admirable.
    If i could say anything (i am no master) i feel that she would not be able to actually "function" with these feet
    Want to say perhaps (like the hand) adding two support toes towards the back of her feet(small or big).  (the styling is up to you of-course). 

    If anyone knows of a creature with two different digit counts on the lower extremities and the upper i'd really like to see it.(i can't think of one,atm.)IRL.

    Otherwise i really like what you are doing here, adding the extra bits if you choose to do it won't be too much of a headache, with go'Z' or any other method of your choosing.

    Was going to say you did all that detailing on the body to cover it up with clothing at 1st was a bit disappointing so i hope to see in the final some renders of that along with the clothing. (In the thoughts of, i do not see animals going out of their way to cloth their, bodies, is my reasoning and doubt they would see their bodies as something to cover up, seems like only a human thing...to me so you humanized an alien in my view.)  I know fun imagination and i am thinking too much into it, i do that sometimes, trying to stop.

    Your artwork though :) love it again the gold trim is nice, hope this is a welcome change from the usual praise.
    Reason i said anything about the feet is because if someone where to push her backwards she would fall over in my eyes.(maybe my eyes are broken atm, its sunday.)

  • Crazy_pixel
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    @DavidCruz

    Thank you for your very interesting  feedback :)
    Your toughts about her feet are great. My inspiration and main reference was an ostrich, but I will think about an supporting toe, oooh better I will make a test sculpt to mimik the combined fingers also as toes.

    And yes you are right, I "humanise" that alien but is it a human thing to develop a culture and also develope speech, math, art and cloth? I like the idea that not every alien specie's is a wild creature with big teeth :D I imagine a race with higher cognitive abilities so the self awareness was driving the need for clothes too.


  • DavidCruz
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    DavidCruz greentooth
    Nice, yea but i figured (hope) that a higher intelligence ("alien") than our own intelligence would understand ones natural state would not be anything to be shameful of (right cause i can't walk around atm with my dilly wacker in-front of other humans of any age because we currently view it as indecent). 

    They would move about in their natural forms because the need for covering would be beneath them and primitive, (as well as be blocking natural nutrients from say the sun, which it currently does to us irl now.).
    I can go deeper into people that get burned from the sun and the reason is their diet but i'll stop here.

    Appreciate the feedback, looking forward to more, i probably won't address anything further just wanted to see the response to an alternative view about aliens and clothing.  If anyone is working on an alien try making organic "suits", that might be a little more (independence day) but it does make more sense(doesn't cause a pollution concern).(thinking about this now, with biodegradable clothing even if still experimental puts a wrench into my concern.)
  • Crazy_pixel
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    Crazy_pixel greentooth
     Interesting thought with a biological suit, reminds me of the alien Prometheus and would be a really interesting design for the body shapes of my character. But it would be definitively colourful and glowing :D
  • Crazy_pixel
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    Hi,
    it's time for an update!

    I polished a few areas of the cloth pieces and worked slightly on the feet design. Therefore I added dew claw toes to have the same shape language as I already using for her hands.

    I think the Highpoly is now done, next step will be the lowpoly and unwrapping magic.



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