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So instead of making an individual thread about a weapon,I figure I'd keep things simple and all in one thread. This is what I am currently working on, I thought a Halberd would be a cool weapon to take a stab at....




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The original has a concave,angular look and I wanted to make an curvy,axe like halberd. This is what I have so far on the high poly, but will make the rest of the pole soon along with the low poly. I think on the blade ill go for a little be of acid etched engravings,to make it a little more interesting. I hope it's look does not confuse it with the pole axe,but I hope the fact they are wielded by different classes wont require that distinction.

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  • JO420
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    So I was supposed to be working on a Halberd (which ill work on tonight) but I took the wrong USB stick and could not work on it. Instead I made a weapon skin I have been rolling around my head for awhile. Its a weapon skin for the cudgel used by archers. Its basically a mallet,which is used by an archer to hammer in stakes to the ground prior to the battle. I put it up earlier yesterday but quickly decided to rework the colors a bit as well as some minor mesh changes.

    Its a simple weapon but exactly the sort of blunt weapon I could see an archer carrying on the battlefield.


    What do you guys think? too simplistic of a weapon?



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    Made a video of it in action as well.


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    The best part of the video!

    https://youtu.be/xUzdQ04Kmwo?t=2m30s
  • Zelfit
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    Yeah, it may work. Maybe just increase contrast between wood and leather stripes on handle.
  • JO420
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    Zelfit wrote: »
    Yeah, it may work. Maybe just increase contrast between wood and leather stripes on handle.


    You mean like darkening the wood?
  • JO420
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    So thats what the high poly of the Halberd is looking like.


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  • Thane-
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    Thane- polycounter lvl 3
    Lol, if my arch enemy wielded a mallet and killed me with it, i feel like i would have to kill myself again.
  • JO420
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    Thane- wrote: »
    Lol, if my arch enemy wielded a mallet and killed me with it, i feel like i would have to kill myself again.


    Yeah the weapon is supposed to be tongue in cheek. A bit humiliating if you get killed by it.
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  • JO420
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    Quick update to what I am working for, so far I am on the diffuse,but feedback would be lovely. But you can kinda get an idea the look I am going for. Dark wooden pole, with an axe head and the blades of the axe have acid etched patterns as decoration. Dont really own Z brush so I just made all of the decorative engravings in photoshop and I will add it to the normals as well.





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  • JO420
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    So,got an early start this morning and I finished all of the textures for my Halberd excluding the bloodmask which comes now.

    I am pretty happy about the result and soon it will be on the workshop,once I find the time.


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    EdIt: Now it's up on the website!

    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=442397769&searchtext=
  • Prime8
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    JO420 wrote: »
    Quick update to what I am working for, so far I am on the diffuse,but feedback would be lovely. But you can kinda get an idea the look I am going for. Dark wooden pole, with an axe head and the blades of the axe have acid etched patterns as decoration. Dont really own Z brush so I just made all of the decorative engravings in photoshop and I will add it to the normals as well.





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    Wanted to give some feedback when I saw it first, but you are too fast :D
    You might still wanna hear it.
    I wouldn't add any directional light into the diffuse map when using normal map (or similar).
    The angel of the edges look a bit steep especially on the tip.

    But the finished model is great, nice job! Especially the etching.
  • JO420
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    Prime8 wrote: »
    Wanted to give some feedback when I saw it first, but you are too fast :D
    You might still wanna hear it.
    I wouldn't add any directional light into the diffuse map when using normal map (or similar).
    The angel of the edges look a bit steep especially on the tip.

    But the finished model is great, nice job! Especially the etching.

    Late but still appreciated :) I work in quick spurts due to time considerations but I appreciate the feed back. The highlights on the diffuse I lowered after getting it I to the editor . I like to add those sort of highlights in the diffuse to bring out details. In Torn Banners UDK,after you create your materials using their weapon master may ,the highlights get lost when you take into account the spec and evironment map effects. For the blade I assume the area you mean the area were the blade begins to taper ,that perhaps could have been done better,but it doesn't detract from the final look so I'll have to keep it in mind next time around. Thanks for the feedback,I appreciate it.
  • Thane-
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    Great job, looking forward to see what you're doing next.
  • JO420
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    Thane- wrote: »
    Great job, looking forward to see what you're doing next.

    Thanks a lot Thane, next up is either a Morning Star for the MAA or a Bardiche.
  • JO420
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    So to changes things up a bit, I figured it was time to make a Man At Arms weapon. So instead of a sword, I though a blunt weapon would be fun. After looking around,I did not find any different looking Morning Stars, they are all basically a ball,on a stick with spikes. So the one part of the weapon I figured I could change was the shape of the ball. Which I made more of a prism with spokes along it. It will be all metal with a leather strap.

    Any thoughts or C&C?


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  • Prime8
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    Looks good to me, except the tip though.
    Just looks fragile as if it would brake off, which it probably wouldn't in real.
    I would probably cut the top of the prism and put the same spike as the others or making the prism itself pointy.
    The spikes a bit longer maybe, to make it a little more different from a mace.
  • JO420
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    Prime8 wrote: »
    Looks good to me, except the tip though.
    Just looks fragile as if it would brake off, which it probably wouldn't in real.
    I would probably cut the top of the prism and put the same spike as the others or making the prism itself pointy.
    The spikes a bit longer maybe, to make it a little more different from a mace.


    Thanks for the feedback Pime8, I will kill the tip and just sharpen the end of the prism and as for the spikes ill consider it,i like the idea of sturdy looking spike so will see.



    Post an update tonight :)
  • JO420
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    Quick update, killed the flimsy looking spike in the end,extended and sharpened the top a bit. Got all the light bakes and normals, currently working the diffuse, so the render below is to give you an idea of color scheme. Diffuse probably has a little too many light lights at present,but thats something I adjust once the spec has been created and its in game,with normals and their weapon shader added.




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  • JO420
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    Latest weapon is on the shop, the Morning Star for the MAA!!!

    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=447138047

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  • zombojoe
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    I really like how it turned out, great job.
  • JO420
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    zombojoe wrote: »
    I really like how it turned out, great job.


    Thanks a lot . I think I might be slowing down with these. Might be I need a break and chill out with the arms making.
  • elwebbaro
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    Yeah you went kinda crazy the last couple weeks! But great results overall.
  • Prime8
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    Little late comment on the morning star.
    Much better with the new tip, just the texture gives an impression that the spikes are disconnected from the head (prism).

    A rest is well deserved! :)
  • JO420
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    @Elwebbaro Thank you,it has been rather busy these last few weeks.


    @Prime8 What do you suggest i do to make the spikes look more integrated to the prism??
  • Prime8
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    You could extend the etching onto the spikes, or make a bigger gap between spike and etching and or add dirt in at the seams.
    The spikes seem to be darker as well, but might just be the lighting.
  • JO420
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    Prime8 wrote: »
    You could extend the etching onto the spikes, or make a bigger gap between spike and etching and or add dirt in at the seams.
    The spikes seem to be darker as well, but might just be the lighting.



    Thanks for the feedback , ill take your feedback and makes changes when I can,sadly the files are at work and I'm at home sick at the moment,so it will be awhile.


    In the mean time, I began making helmets and here is my first submission to the Workshop. I took the Halberd I made, and created a similar styled helmet to go along with it.

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    GRAT0R wrote: »
    I love it!


    Thank a lot Grator.



    To everybody else,I hope nobody on the forums here thinks I do not value their feedback. It may seem like I move fast when making this stuff. But its only because I normally make weapons when I have the time. The first time, during the competition I had 3 weeks of teaching away from home,so I had 3 weeks of free time at night. And currently my wife is really busy because she is a teacher and until school ends in a few days. Its unlikely Ill have the time I have now.

    I really appreciate all of the feedback I get from you guys and I feel inspired by all the great work produced here,which has fueled me to make cool looking stuff,in the little time I have.
  • Thane-
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    I really like the helmet. I think the slight purple is a great choice. Is the center nose section and the top metal frame piece look too blurry maybe? Maybe that is just the lighting but they seem to lack tangible detail despite the fact that it looks like you put effort there. Or maybe thats what you're going for, a smooth look that looks great from farther away (aka normal viewing distances). In contrast, for example, this helmet from Justin Dewey working on a Skyrim mod:

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  • JO420
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    Thanks for the feedback Thane, I changed the smoothing groups a tad to show the nose guard more prominently and also strengthed the normals in those two areas as well so it displays a little more crisply.


    Changed the images above to reflect that.
  • Prime8
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    You are fortunate that you can do this stuff at your work and while sick at home :D

    One comment on the helmet, at the backside the mirrored textures are quite visible and there is a seam. Another reinforcement bar straight down in the center could help with that.
  • JO420
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    Well not during work hours off course :) Thanks for the pick up,ill add then when I have a chance.


    Prime8 wrote: »
    You are fortunate that you can do this stuff at your work and while sick at home :D

    One comment on the helmet, at the backside the mirrored textures are quite visible and there is a seam. Another reinforcement bar straight down in the center could help with that.
  • JO420
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    Quick update to what I am workimg on. A bucket helmet for the Mason Knight. Will be a set along with a weapon time permitting.





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  • JO420
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    So this is what I have so far with low poly and materials, I think I will tweak the colors and the intensity of the spec a bit before I call it done. I am still debating in what form I will add this to the workshop. Either as a set or alone.



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  • JO420
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    So my new set is up on the shop.


    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=454792721



    I combined the new helmet along with my Grand Mace weapon. I believe Mason doesnt have a GM weapon skin, so it seemed to make the most sense to comine the two.


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  • JO420
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    This is what I am working on at the moment, an Irish Gallowglass sword. Weapon skin for the claymore. This one is clocking at 2750 tris.




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  • JO420
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    Aside from the bloodmask and some small diffuse and material changes,I'd say im just about done.



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  • GRAT0R
    That is a very nice piece!! My only crit is that the fuller could end in a more narrow and natural way but that's just a minnor complain. I would defenitly buy this man, great job!!
  • JO420
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    GRAT0R wrote: »
    That is a very nice piece!! My only crit is that the fuller could end in a more narrow and natural way but that's just a minnor complain. I would defenitly buy this man, great job!!


    Thanks for the feedback GRATOR,i'm note sure I follow what you mean however.


    The weapon is on the workshop.

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  • Zelfit
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    I think he wanted to make bevel part more narrow:
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    Not sure about that, i like current width
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    Ahh ok. Yeah fair enough it probably could have been more narrower. I hate when I miss little things like that.
  • JO420
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    This is what is next for me. A helmet of that style,I think ill make a set for Agatha, that includes a helmet like that and my Sword of War.



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  • Dylan Brady
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    Nice, cant wait to see your progress
  • GRAT0R
    I found out that doing this kind of helmets for the vanilla chiv knights is really hard because the mail hood falls over the lower part of the face so the characters don't really have neck or chin and it becomes quite hard to build a helmet like this arround it.
    Can't wait too see whatever comes out from you!
  • JO420
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    You mean so it doesn't clip at the shoulders? What I'm doing is altering the bottom of the helmet so it tapers giving it more room. I think once I made the low ill pop it in game and test to see if it clips.
  • JO420
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    GRAT0R wrote: »
    I found out that doing this kind of helmets for the vanilla chiv knights is really hard because the mail hood falls over the lower part of the face so the characters don't really have neck or chin and it becomes quite hard to build a helmet like this arround it.
    Can't wait too see whatever comes out from you!



    Thanks for the heads up, pardon the pun :) I tried my initial design and it came with major clipping. So i adjusted and cut down quite a bit and this is the basic shape ill be going with.


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    I tried it on the Agatha Knight and it worked pretty well,no major clipping to be seen.


    More soon to come
  • JO420
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    Here is my high poly so far,still have some definition to the helmet,as well as bolts and such. The design mind you,is not an exact copy of the picture i posted,but the pointy visor look is what I wanted to do with this helmet.



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  • JO420
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    Morning guys, put the helmet/set on the workshop. Over the weekend I was thinking maybe the helmet is too plain, but after I put it on the workshop the reception has been very positive,so maybe I leave it as it is. What do you guys think?


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  • Dylan Brady
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    that came out pretty well!
    good stuff
  • JO420
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    Thank you Dylan, I'm happy with it too. I gonna tweak a few things and call it done.
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