3ds Max 2016

Nauh

Hey guys

Have you seen this already?

http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/max/introducing-3ds-max-2016

MCG looks great.

Goeddy

have been using the beta for quite some time now, best things to me are the improved cut, and opensubdiv.
i also heard they are reworking the UV editor again, wich is long overdue IMO since they trashed it with the last rework.

performance is also realy good.

Chris Krüger

Looks like a good release

Nox

How did they improve cut tool?

Goeddy

it used to be prone to errors, like cutting on the wrong faces or in different angles then the preview and often produced duplicate vertecies. most of that is better now, if not perfect and the duplicate vertecies thing is fixed.

Joost

Thank god for that.

The procedural modelling tools could potentially be very powerful. It would also be great to have more people creating tools.

cptSwing

Well - that certainly looks like a lot more added features than the last few releases. Excited to see what people build on top of Max's new procedural tools. I'm also a little less wary of AD killing off max anytime soon..

Mark Dygert

Youtube picks the worst frames to display...
"oh sweet as the polycount grows the performance suffers!? Awesome new feature!" hahaha...

Lazerus Reborn

Autodesk need a new video designer. This and the stingray 'reveals' are pretty poor for a major market holder. Excited for some things here. Part of me asks why Cut is only just being fixed despite it being a fundamental tool and if they will be apply it backwards to earlier versions.

Waiting for the next procedural scfi hallway boom!

Matt Fagan

Since having to stick to 3ds Max at my current studio. After opening Maya 2016, I started to cry to see how improved Maya is now becoming... knowing I can't open my baby up anymore

But in the 2016 Max update, it does appear that Autodesk is moving Max in a Maya direction from the new UI layout.

leslievdb

i`m really curious how deep you can go with the Max Creation Graph and also how fast it is.
it sounds like a great addition

Zpanzer

Ravenslayer wrote: »

i`m really curious how deep you can go with the Max Creation Graph and also how fast it is.
it sounds like a great addition

It's the baby steps of implementing an ICE like system in max, and I couldn't be more excited!
Having a couple of friends who turn out some inhouse maxscripts, it just blows my mind the potential that custom tools have, and I can't wait to see what people do with MCG

MisterSande

Hmm, not enough to delay my transition from max to Modo

monster

xRef for character rigs! Ive been in the beta too. This is a really solid release.

roosterMAP

I have not been this excited for a new version of 3ds max !!!!

That graph editor looks like crazy fun!!!

MmAaXx

everytime I see an autodesk video, it looks like they coming out with the best release ever... than you install the software...

[Deleted User]

MmAaXx wrote: »

... than you install the software...

I don't. Lights in 1km square radius around my house dim when I start 3dsmax and I get bigger energy bills. It's so bloated.

Fwap

doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood, dood. This update is going to be tits, i hope.

Kurt Russell Fan Club

Have they fixed the awful popups for chamfer, bevel, etc.?

Goeddy

no they are still kinda the same

CompanionCube

Kurt Russell Fan Club wrote: »

Have they fixed the awful popups for chamfer, bevel, etc.?

if you mean the caddies you've been able to disable them since 2015 release

Kurt Russell Fan Club

CompanionCube wrote: »

if you mean the caddies you've been able to disable them since 2015 release

You just made my week!

xvampire

so softimage ice now in 3dsmax? cool.

DEElekgolo

Oh goodness an actually significant 3ds max update.
I haven't been this excited for a 3ds max update in ages.

slipsius

edit: well shit. maybe i heard wrong. It was definitely a through the grape vine type deal. my bad

DEElekgolo

looking forward to the maya connoisseurs in this thread

Justin Meisse

source?

lurked

yeah, i'd love to know the source of that fact.

Chris Krüger

Indeed. Why would they do that exactly?

mystichobo

Yeah, a source would be nice.

If it's true, it makes no sense as to why they are doing upgrades to the skinning setup.

Torch

That sounds like conjecture... could we get a link or any solid information?

oglu

im in the maya and in the max beta... and there is noone saying something like max will have no animation tools... but maya has a much higher focus on char animation like it was from the beginning...

moose

guys. GUYS

8. Assign Renderer is one of the top Option in Render Setup.

praise the sun

oglu

good summary here...
scroll down to --> Take a Tour of the New 3ds Max

http://livestream.com/autodesk2015nab/events/3963481/videos/83861904

spacefrog

slipsius wrote: »

It should be noted to all animators that autodesk is stopping animation support for 3ds max in the next couple years. Pretty much all major studios that use max have begun switching over to maya/motionbuilder because of this fact.

Absolute nonsense
Fact is that max has a heavy foot in the whole CAD oriented businesses of Autodesk and hence many upper management decisions work in favor of that field, what in turn leads to many resources being spend on things not really helpfull for animation, even less character animation.
But that situation has already pretty much improved over the last cycle and continues to improve in the current cycle, as far i can judge.
Another fact is that the Alias/Maya purchase brought over many people from the original team to AD, who have anti Max propaganda injected in their genes. Many rumors similar to this one originate from exactly that fact.

coven

slipsius wrote: »

It should be noted to all animators that autodesk is stopping animation support for 3ds max in the next couple years. Pretty much all major studios that use max have begun switching over to maya/motionbuilder because of this fact.

This is news to me.

Kelly Michels

slipsius wrote: »

It should be noted to all animators that autodesk is stopping animation support for 3ds max in the next couple years. Pretty much all major studios that use max have begun switching over to maya/motionbuilder because of this fact.

I would love to know a source as well, this is news to me.

Kelly Michels
Senior QA 3ds Max
3ds Max Beta Manager
Autodesk Inc.

Deathstick

If the cut tool actually works without me having to change the perspective viewport angle 5000 times for it to be right, I just might cry...

skyline5gtr

my god these videos are terrible

skyline5gtr

more on that MCG https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=44&v=3nsAlw_j4lQ

slipsius

spacefrog wrote: »

Absolute nonsense
Fact is that max has a heavy foot in the whole CAD oriented businesses of Autodesk and hence many upper management decisions work in favor of that field, what in turn leads to many resources being spend on things not really helpfull for animation, even less character animation.
But that situation has already pretty much improved over the last cycle and continues to improve in the current cycle, as far i can judge.
Another fact is that the Alias/Maya purchase brought over many people from the original team to AD, who have anti Max propaganda injected in their genes. Many rumors similar to this one originate from exactly that fact.

Ugh, ok, maybe that's why im hearing those rumours. my bad. I havent seen an official source. i just keep hearing the same thing through the grape vine for some time now. apologies. I shoulda checked before i opened my mouth.

But it does seem like more and more are switching to maya. I guess that's why I figured the rumours were true. Maybe maya just has better rigging solutions for next gen? I dunno. anyhoo, sorry for the rumour guys.

Torch

I don't think you're wrong in that respect, Maya is always getting praise for its rigging/animation toolset over other apps.

shaderfx

coven wrote: »

This is news to me.

I think it was Martin Coven who said that...:D!

hyrumark

MCG looks great and I'll bet we'll see some very useful tools from it in time from users.

But I do see one potential drawback. Since any modifiers created from MCG would be a plugin, won't they break every other release or so like other plugins? If someone created a cool plugin and decided to share or sell it, you would have to rely on the creator to keep it updated for later Max versions, correct? Unless they shared their actual graphs required to create/compile the plugin?

oglu

it depends on your needs sometimes max is the better horse sometimes maya...
if you would ask me, what should we use for our new mocap pipeline.... i would say maya...
cause motionbuilder is very close to maya and getting even closer in the future...
and without motionbuilder its no fun to work with mocap... and even than it isnt...

spacefrog

hyrumark wrote: »

MCG looks great and I'll bet we'll see some very useful tools from it in time from users.

But I do see one potential drawback. Since any modifiers created from MCG would be a plugin, won't they break every other release or so like other plugins? If someone created a cool plugin and decided to share or sell it, you would have to rely on the creator to keep it updated for later Max versions, correct? Unless they shared their actual graphs required to create/compile the plugin?

As far as i understand the usual C++ plugin version dependency does not apply to MCG packages. Similar to Maxscript there could be some possible incompatibilities here and there with new versions, but the tight dependency on the Max version binary plugins have should not exist....

Neox

hyrumark wrote: »

MCG looks great and I'll bet we'll see some very useful tools from it in time from users.

But I do see one potential drawback. Since any modifiers created from MCG would be a plugin, won't they break every other release or so like other plugins? If someone created a cool plugin and decided to share or sell it, you would have to rely on the creator to keep it updated for later Max versions, correct? Unless they shared their actual graphs required to create/compile the plugin?

well thats already the case with any plugin ever written for max

spacefrog

Neox wrote: »

well thats already the case with any plugin ever written for max

Thats not true for Maxscripts (which many people refer as "plugins" too, even if they are not really) and assembly/dotNet based plugins usually. And as MCG graphs are compiled to dotNet ( As far as i gathered the info) this would make them relatively Max binary version independent, even in their compiled form. But when you share a MCG package, you essentially share the graph/source (at least currently), which then gets rebuild on your machine/your max version. At least this is currently the only way of sharing AFAIK

Bellsey

xvampire wrote: »

so softimage ice now in 3dsmax? cool.

To be clear, MCG is not Softimage ICE.

http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/chris/introducing-max-creation-graphs

[Deleted User]

Looking at those videos => http://www.elarasystems.com/insights/case-studies/elara-labs/ <= it looks that it evaluates to Maxscript. And it's painfully slow. That is not ICE for sure. Or Houdini killer in any way, because I heard even b*llshit like this couple times in last couple days.

coven

We use maxscript to register the tool as a plugin inside of Max. We also use Maxscript for the UI that is published. Everything else runs through the MCG engine, which runs outside of Max.

Martin