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saving some time!!!
Hey guys! So you might have seen a first sneak peek on the waywo thread, or maybe not. So as the title suggest I am getting started on this new project (and huge challenge) that is to model ellie from the last of us.
So I'm only getting started at the moment but I'm at that point where I would really like some constructive input so here I am!
I'm having a little bit of trouble first of all because I feel (might be wrong) that the zbrush sculpt and the ingame model don't perfectly match up so I'm really second guessing myself when working.
Anyway enough talking, here is the first image shown on the waywo and the latest update !
Looking forward to hear from you guys!
Latest update here
saving some time!!!
Hey guys! So you might have seen a first sneak peek on the waywo thread, or maybe not. So as the title suggest I am getting started on this new project (and huge challenge) that is to model ellie from the last of us.
So I'm only getting started at the moment but I'm at that point where I would really like some constructive input so here I am!
I'm having a little bit of trouble first of all because I feel (might be wrong) that the zbrush sculpt and the ingame model don't perfectly match up so I'm really second guessing myself when working.
Anyway enough talking, here is the first image shown on the waywo and the latest update !
Looking forward to hear from you guys!
Latest update here
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this is the official zbrush sculpt of ellie I'm using as a reference
REFERENCE :
JoscelinFrost Thanks a lot for your feedback, Yah I understand what you mean about not making the character an exact reproduction of the real game model. No matter what I do I think it will always remain a personnal interpretation of it because its made by two different artist etc. But I sure want her to be reconizable!
Slosh Thanks a lot for your input. I understand I still need a lot of work to understand anatomy even better etc. But about this character, can you give me more precise feedback about the issue you can see
Kind of like the grown-up Tina from Botderlands 2
Keeps the look of the character, but with an interesting and new take on it.
Good job on the sculpt so far though! I'd say that the thing that bothers me the most in the brow area. You can see that Ellie's eyebrow area is softer and lower, giving her a more ''innocent'' look instead of a more serious one.
Keep it up!
Also I agree with slosh about removing the hair while you work on the face sculpt. The hair is blocking quite a bit of the jaw and is distracting.
Good luck, keep going!
Thanks a million!
Still a lot of fixes to do but I think the eyes are getting better..
Still need to figure out the shape of the face that seems a bit vague to me from a screenshot to another...
Critics and comment more then welcome as usual
Ah and forgot
without the hair since you guys asked!
needed a little pause from the face so I can see stuff better, gets a little bit harder when you look only at one part of a character for too long!
Here's and update, I updated the face quite a lot, tho i'm not sure if it shows that much. Really worked on the cheek and jaw line because she had really puffy-rond face before and I think it was a little bit too much.
Started working on the undershirt too and please don't look at the hand since those are placeholder and I didn't touch them at all so far.
Looking forward for you guys critics-opnion-hate mail
I have a question, how do you make the little rips in the cloth and the holes in there too.
And i'm glad you liked it
maybe a tiny bit more puffyness between her cheek bone and her nose
Still no work done on the hand, I know I know, they look amazing haha...
The top part of the jeans especially is very very wip.
God clothing fold is so hard but I think I did a not too bad job on the bottom part, what do you guys think? I hope you like it!
I hope that doesn't come off as overly critical, and like I said it's looking great, but those are just my thoughts on it.
I just really liked the character as it is and I am really not interested in making her younger, older or male (!). Of course in the end the polycount will be way lower since I do not want to go as high res as the actual model. Im trying to keep it close from the original model because I see this as study, a look-a-like exercice. As if it's a good portfolio piece or not it's hard to tell, for sure when you are trying to find a job you need to do portfolio pieces that will get the attention of the potential kind of employer you would want to work with in the futur. Since I aldready have a job I'm just doing characters that passionate me and give me the kind of challenge I am looking for.
But Thanks a lot for your input, I still unferstand your point and agree with it
@ddoan88 Thanks, Im glad you liked it!
my only feedback would be fingers look a bit too thin, and also, womens jeans are cut/fit differently than mens so you get slightly different fold behaviour.
@slosh I'm loosely following the reference for the fold but I have been using some of my own picture reference especially for the bottom of the jeans that I was having a hard time making it look believable. So yah I'm loosely following them but it's not a total copy or anything. Sure need to give them more tear-worn out and everything .
@Jonhny Thanks for the comment, Yah as I said in my earlier post the end are totally placeholder, I'm keeping them for the end, God I hate making hands haha!
And yah I'm still working on those folds. The jeans are tight-ish but she is not wearing skinny legs or anything, its a little bit more of a straight fit jeans or a light bootcut.
Thanks for the input guys!
Don't have much to comment right now since you said hands and top of trousers still need work. I really like the face even though it's not carbon copy of the concept. I'm not an expert, but looking at the official sculpt, maybe you could work slightly the overall silhouette of the arms. They feel a bit more "tube-ish" in your sculpt. The ref has some slight curve to the upper arm. It also seems to be tighter/thinner. But since you still need to work on the folds, I may very well be saying stuff for nothing.
Keep up the good work.
As for the OP, you are doing great so far, can't wait to see the finished result.
I do agree that there is something wrong with the arms, I'm gonna try to take a look at them tonight after work.
I also thing the neck might be a little bit too long, dunno what you guys thinks?
I worked on the pants a bit yesterday, I definitly need to add some back pocket.
Im probably gonna update the face a bit soon, I think she still need a bit more definition of the jaw and some corrections on the base of the nose wich i'm having a lot of trouble with...
Anyway, just a boring little screenshot from the back,
More update soon
more work in the pants- hair and face
It's all subtle but I think I'm getting closer with the face (i hope!)
Something that might help with the arms in the back is getting the wrinkles to point more towards the elbow bone instead of being as horizontal.
I look forward to the rest.
I'll check the wrinkles on the back of the arm to see if I can make it look better KristaW!
Mostly face shape a bit, neck, hands and she finally got some shoes (lucky girl!)
Shoes are too perfect atm, need to dirty-break them up
Maybe it is just the matcap/material causing this, but i would double check them anyway.
I hope you can make good progress and post an update soon:poly127:
This is some very interesting input on the face. I just got my brand new computer yersterday so I'm really excited and i'll make sure to take a look at this soon and post some update!
There is a tendency among a lot of artists to "shrinkwrap" the skin around the bones so that you get this pronounced form around the knuckles and joints, and this sunken in form between the joints. If you check reference, you'll notice that this just pretty much never happens, and in fact fingers are almost always smooth tapered tubes (very generalized) with flat top from base to nail. Almost all of the shapelyness happens on the bottom side of this tube where if the hands are held stiff the silhouette can look like waves. This shape is pretty much held together unless clenched tight where they then bunch together, but even then, the shapes between the joints are pretty constant.
Hope that's helpful! Keep it up.
retleks Thanks a lot for your comment. It really does make sens (read it couple of time since it's always harder for me to understand everything in my second language haha...). I'm currently reworking the hand in the hopes of making them look a bit better, they are not ready to show yet tho :P.
So a small update I guess, just for fun. I got my brand new computer on sunday (HELL YEAH) so I was pretty busy because I had to reinstall all my 3d software and i'm still not done yet (so long).
While waiting for that I've been having a little bit of fun with keyshot, just trying to learn it.
So heres 2 renders just for fun, I made some changes on the face but at that point I think changed are really not dramatic so it might be hard to see..
Anyway other then the tweaks there and there I'm starting the bagback but that will be for the next update!
I would consider softening her nose and it's bridge as I think others suggested.
Also her top lip looks too thick to me, that could be because her mouth is too wide. The original Ellie seems to have more of a youthful pout, which means she gets away with the thicker lips. Hope that makes sense!
in the first of your two latest images, her nasolabial folds look really soft, like you'd expect for someone of her age. in the second they're quite pronounced, i'm not sure if it's a difference in lighting or you made the change consciously, either way it should be more like the first.
the second is that she could benifit from having the corners of her top lip softened a bit, right now there's this super hard straight line that terminates really abruptly and it throws off the feminine look.
and finally, don't forget that they redesigned her to look less like Ellen Page, and more like Ashley Johnson. this change is very noticeable in the eyes and chin.
Thanks for the input!
@almighty_gir concerning the nasolabial fold I think it's really the lighting / material that is making it look weird in the second image because it's exactly the same model, no change was made between the two renders. I'm gonna take a look at the corner of the top lip tho, thanks!
Yah I didnt't look at ellen page when doing the character not to get too much influence from her, tho I didn't look at ashley jonhson either, maybe I should have had.
More update soon
I'm sorry my answer might not be the most precise!!
I started the backpack today, still some detailing to do of course.
There is no shoulder straps and all that stuff yet, gonna start that on monday since I'm out of town for the weekends.
No more talk here's to the ''good'' part
It's just to answer questions that I was asked quite a few time about my pipeline, basemeshes etc and some people told me I should record a quick video so here I am.
This doesn't cover anything very complicated it's pretty basic stuff but I hope it can help someone
I'm very sorry about the accent by the way, I just realized I have a huge one and I sure don't appreciate hearing my voice on video haha!
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if you are still looking to improve the model i suggest revising the size of the hands and feet. right now they look slightly small compared to her age body proportions.
also, the cheeks and the over all face could use a bit more volume as suggested above. right now the face feels a bit unbalanced and hard. adding more flesh would make her softer and look more cute for her age.
here is a paintover for the face:
also, retleks is right on the money about the hands. they are over worked and too masculine.
few hand references:
http://www.freestockphotos.biz/pictures/12/12165/girl.jpg
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/easter-rabbit-hands-young-girl-29150596.jpg
hand cast from a young girl, notice how soft the actual forms are and most of it has to do with very subtle definitions rather than over emphasized knuckles or bone structure.
http://www.handsacrosstime.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Charlotte-hands-in-bronze.jpg
I'm not too sure exactly what you did and how to transpose this in my zbrush model but I will sure try because this is looking pretty sweet.
I'll try to revisit the hands and feet too, I totally agree that the hands looks a bit too small. For the overworked part, totally, I just can't get it right :S
may be try doing few practice run on a clone tool first and work your way over the face with the clay brush. also may be soften up the nose bridge between the eyes and the nose over all.
Update on the bag