Seems great for those based in the UK as purchasing one of those models from anatomy tools (particularly the sting from delivery and import tax) is a nightmare. £60 investment (and they are looking to do female versions and different body types in the future).
With wrong shapes, and angles, and insertions. And yes they do matter on game characters.
Off the bat, Deltoids, Pecs, Forearms are wrong, and the thing has wrong proportions. When you hold your hand out straight it should cover your junk.. those arms are tyoo long. Also if he Karate kicked, he would kick himself in the face which is fine if you're a midget.
If you start nitpicking the actual muscles:
11. Flexor Carpi Radialis. Starts from the Medial Epicondyle (Inside part of the elbow) and is supposed to go to the meta-carpals (Middle of your wrist). Infact that entire part of the forearms are supposed to go there. He has it attaching to the OPPOSITE bone, which is why the forearm just looks fucked.
Triceps are wrong, striation directions are wrong, that Acromion Process is bulging OUT which only happens on anorexics (should be an indentation on someone that muscular).
I mean I could nitpick this thing all day, but IMHO someone with a deeper understanding should be making reference models.
I mean I could nitpick this thing all day, but IMHO someone with a deeper understanding should be making reference models.
agreed.
this is why i will never make any anatomy reference figures myself because even though i can see errors on this particular model i still know i am not seeing so many other errors.
i mean i can tell there are way too many errors on the model but lot of the issues i cant explain properly with exact muscle names etc. they just look wrong.
also the feet and hands on this model look very very off.
this should come with a disclaimer.
all that being said, this is a good initiative and i hope more experienced artists such as Gio Nakpil did stuff like this.
His creature work is really amazing but I'll be honest and say that I'm not a fan of his human anatomy. The reference model looks like it was detailed but then he used the Smooth brush all over it so now it looks melted and feels unfinished to some degree. Out of all the amazing talent pool in the UK, couldn't they pick somebody with a better knowledge of anatomy?
I can see a lot of the faults, but I still think it might be fun to have for only 60£.
It also helps them out with launching the "line" they hope to produce, which could lead to better quality figures.
Edit: After some more thought and inspection of the sculpt I cancelled my pledge and am going to put the cash towards one of the Anatomy Tools models. The Male V2 are on sale right now for a pretty reasonable price and I've wanted one for years.
I'm still interested to see what they come up with in the future. I left a comment with my/our concerns about the anatomical accuracy when I cancelled the pledge.
Triceps are wrong, striation directions are wrong, that Acromion Process is bulging OUT which only happens on anorexics (should be an indentation on someone that muscular).
I mean I could nitpick this thing all day, but IMHO someone with a deeper understanding should be making reference models.
Wow Jacque you really seem to know your stuff, will you be doing any Haz-style group classes in the near future? Wouldn't mind having you mentor if you had the time :thumbup:
Ive been doing a bit of back and forth with them about some of the issues behind the scenes and they were really really nice about it (was really scared I might offend them) and it looks like good news
Don't forget that mesh -> cast via tools like those of ZB are still funky, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason this cast here looks the way it does because the artist decided to Dynamesh several muscle layers as one mesh, just so that the 3D printing would work properly (especially if they already don't have a proper understanding of the muscle system, let alone technical constraints).
I'm curious as to if that was the case, a model is going to have to go through alot of sacrifices just to be printed out, especially for an very iterative model like that of the human muscle system (again, see previous point).
On the other hand, I find it surprising that 3DTotal was asking for an extra £80 (GB pounds mind you) in some cases for sure delivery of the item, as far as I am aware, most places, the cost goes upto $40 extra as a median, even for less then stable countries.
Glad to see Canada didn't get skimped out, but I just don't see how the extra cost for a place like say Italy or Brazil is going to work in your favor since there is no real guarantee of any kind in that case.
And yes, Philipe F. and Scott E. are the peeps for anatomical casts honestly, they're the peeps to go to for them peeping casts.
Well for uk peeps its only £60 flat which is really good. I am worried that we don't get to see the improvements to the model at the moment as before atleast you saw what you were buying but I have high hopes for it. £60 is not a massive loss though, and it might lead to further developments. 3dtotals production values are really good so I'm not to worried on quality, it's just that the anatomy is accurate enough and not in a funky pose.
I want the Scott eaton one aswell now though haha, I bet it's gonna cost a bomb though!!!!!
Well for uk peeps its only £60 flat which is really good. I am worried that we don't get to see the improvements to the model at the moment as before atleast you saw what you were buying but I have high hopes for it. £60 is not a massive loss though, and it might lead to further developments. 3dtotals production values are really good so I'm not to worried on quality, it's just that the anatomy is accurate enough and not in a funky pose.
I want the Scott eaton one aswell now though haha, I bet it's gonna cost a bomb though!!!!!
You can never pay enough for a penis on a cast model.
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I wouldn't recommend it if you're thinking of doing anything more than student/hobbyist level.
With wrong shapes, and angles, and insertions. And yes they do matter on game characters.
Off the bat, Deltoids, Pecs, Forearms are wrong, and the thing has wrong proportions. When you hold your hand out straight it should cover your junk.. those arms are tyoo long. Also if he Karate kicked, he would kick himself in the face which is fine if you're a midget.
If you start nitpicking the actual muscles:
11. Flexor Carpi Radialis. Starts from the Medial Epicondyle (Inside part of the elbow) and is supposed to go to the meta-carpals (Middle of your wrist). Infact that entire part of the forearms are supposed to go there. He has it attaching to the OPPOSITE bone, which is why the forearm just looks fucked.
Triceps are wrong, striation directions are wrong, that Acromion Process is bulging OUT which only happens on anorexics (should be an indentation on someone that muscular).
I mean I could nitpick this thing all day, but IMHO someone with a deeper understanding should be making reference models.
agreed.
this is why i will never make any anatomy reference figures myself because even though i can see errors on this particular model i still know i am not seeing so many other errors.
i mean i can tell there are way too many errors on the model but lot of the issues i cant explain properly with exact muscle names etc. they just look wrong.
also the feet and hands on this model look very very off.
this should come with a disclaimer.
all that being said, this is a good initiative and i hope more experienced artists such as Gio Nakpil did stuff like this.
His creature work is really amazing but I'll be honest and say that I'm not a fan of his human anatomy. The reference model looks like it was detailed but then he used the Smooth brush all over it so now it looks melted and feels unfinished to some degree. Out of all the amazing talent pool in the UK, couldn't they pick somebody with a better knowledge of anatomy?
It also helps them out with launching the "line" they hope to produce, which could lead to better quality figures.
Edit: After some more thought and inspection of the sculpt I cancelled my pledge and am going to put the cash towards one of the Anatomy Tools models. The Male V2 are on sale right now for a pretty reasonable price and I've wanted one for years.
I'm still interested to see what they come up with in the future. I left a comment with my/our concerns about the anatomical accuracy when I cancelled the pledge.
Wow Jacque you really seem to know your stuff, will you be doing any Haz-style group classes in the near future? Wouldn't mind having you mentor if you had the time :thumbup:
Yeah its just a shame we don't get anything more affordable for the UK. Its the delivery and potential import tax which always kills it for me.
http://forums.3dtotal.com/showthread.php?t=115640
14 days left, I look forward to seeing the outcome. I've ordered 2 haha for me and my sis in law who does crazy traditional sculpting.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1794375019/3dtotals-anatomical-collection-male-figure/posts/445341
Many thanks, Tom Greenway
Best anatomy advice I've ever read! No more counting heads for me! :poly136:
scott eaton is also coming out with an 18 inch figure soon
http://philippefaraut.com/store/art-reference-casts.html
Always wanted some of those casts... they are good enough that ive used just the photos of the casts as reference.
I'm curious as to if that was the case, a model is going to have to go through alot of sacrifices just to be printed out, especially for an very iterative model like that of the human muscle system (again, see previous point).
On the other hand, I find it surprising that 3DTotal was asking for an extra £80 (GB pounds mind you) in some cases for sure delivery of the item, as far as I am aware, most places, the cost goes upto $40 extra as a median, even for less then stable countries.
Glad to see Canada didn't get skimped out, but I just don't see how the extra cost for a place like say Italy or Brazil is going to work in your favor since there is no real guarantee of any kind in that case.
And yes, Philipe F. and Scott E. are the peeps for anatomical casts honestly, they're the peeps to go to for them peeping casts.
I want the Scott eaton one aswell now though haha, I bet it's gonna cost a bomb though!!!!!
Yea. That is why I jumped on this 3DToatal fig.