Yiynova msp19u Cintiq Alternative
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Hey Polycounters!
I have been looking into getting a Yiynova msp19u and am wondering if any of you have experience with them.
I read this article:
http://blog.drawn.ca/post/38741581411/the-yiynova-msp19u-cintiq-alternative-swings-for-the
Which makes it sound pretty great. I have watched the few YouTube videos out there on it and they too seem to be pretty positive.
However I know it's previous version, the msp19 had quite a few known issues.
Just wondering if any of you have tried it out yet.
I am probably going to pick one up in the next month or so unless I find a really good reason not to. If Ido pick one up , I'll definitely let you all know how I feel about it!
I have been looking into getting a Yiynova msp19u and am wondering if any of you have experience with them.
I read this article:
http://blog.drawn.ca/post/38741581411/the-yiynova-msp19u-cintiq-alternative-swings-for-the
Which makes it sound pretty great. I have watched the few YouTube videos out there on it and they too seem to be pretty positive.
However I know it's previous version, the msp19 had quite a few known issues.
Just wondering if any of you have tried it out yet.
I am probably going to pick one up in the next month or so unless I find a really good reason not to. If Ido pick one up , I'll definitely let you all know how I feel about it!
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Actually the official website has a Europe store
http://www.yiynova.eu/shop/index.php?route=product/product&path=2&product_id=3
If anything, I hope this makes Wacom lower their prices, even just a little.
aha I must be nuts.
I believe wacom owns the patent on the type of technology that allows pens to be battery-less. That's why. Replacing a battery every few months seems like a small price to pay for saving 1400 bucks.
I think they patented using RFID (or certainly induction powered chips)in a tablet pens. Pretty shitty really.
Here's hoping it will be sweet! I think it will be pretty good. Maybe not quite cintiq quality but I am okay with that with $1400 still in my pocket.
so if you want a battery free version I would suggest you look at this one;
Hanvon SenTIP 1201WD
I believe you can use any $ 10 mini-usb cable? if bamboos have the same kind of cables as intuos 4/5
I just found that out now, Ive never seen a cable with a head like this but it turns out they are called micro B usb cables and are a lot more common than I thought!
http://www.enupnion.com/forum/?p=48
Looks like they are now sold out on Amazon! Glad I ordered mine when I did.
Please do tell us how you like it. If it's a winner then I want one!
return it.
I owned a yiynova 19 incher briefly to test its capability compared to my cintiq and sent it back just as fast.
In the 1st and 2nd quarter of this year, Lenovo is releasing a highly portable LED backlit IPS monitor thats not only touch screen, but has a wacom digitizer in it for pen input (gorillia glass). One is wired, one is wireless.
It will cost between $250-$350, which will be less than what you paid for that yiynova.
The only real good screen based pen tech right now is Wacom. With the yiynova, you will be getting a waltrop digitizer if I am not mistaken. The problem with their drivers, and most others is that you cannot have any wacom drivers installed at the same time. The pen also is very springy, which can cause unwanted effects depending on the type of art you are doing.
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I'm not sure that Lenovo is going to be the perfect solution either. It's wired over USB 3.0 or wireless and the digitizer is some kind of low end Wacom with 256 pressure levels, which makes me worry about lag and how accurate the tracking will be. Has anyone used a Lenovo with a Wacom digitizer? I know they've released some hybrid laptops in the past.
About the 256 levels, in another thread someone actually pointed out something that I thought was quite thought provoking.
When we work in 8 bit colorspace, you only have 256 levels of any given value, so wouldn't that neglect any pressure levels above that since you can't have decimal values unless you paint in an 16 or 32 bit environment, which I doubt many people are, and even if you are, do you need the fine control that it grants you?
Just some thoughts. It seems that high sensitivity levels in digitizers is just some PR stuff to justify a higher price tag. Like people having 32 gigs of ram on a 32 bit system.
As for the levels, I know I only work in part of the pressure range the pen can detect and I suspect many other people do as well. I'm more comfortable working in the lighter end of the spectrum and setting the maximum response at only maybe 2/3rds the max pressure the pen can detect. Others may like having not a lot of response at the low end and having to press hard to get the max response. That flexibility comes with having a large range of sensitivity and good driver options.
But the problem with that argument was it only took into account color.
You also deal with size. So unless say Ps or sketchup are limited to 256 steps for this in the same stepping pattern as 8 bit color, you are reducing your work fidelity.
For example:
http://frenden.tumblr.com/post/38693256477/yiynovamsp19u
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I am aware that it will proabably not be the quality of a Cintiq, but it's also $1400 less. The question is not really whether it competes perfectly with Wacom technology, but rather if it is a good substitute for the price difference.
Anyways, only one way to know for sure. Which I will, tomorrow.
I'll be honest about my experience with it. If it sucks, I'll let you know.
I'll post something up either Sunday or Monday so I have a couple days to try different software in it.
Primarily, I'll be testing it in Photoshop and Zbrush, as those are really all I care about for it. But I may test a couple others as well.
Any specific questions about it, let me know.
great minds eh haha, Owl looking forward to hearing about it.
Wacom apparently changed the point at which pens start registering pen pressure lead some to believe that there is a noticeable difference between the pressure levels as opposed to realizing the pen is just different. I have also heard from someone who is generally very knowledgable with pen tablet tech, that the digitizers and pens are not limiting the pressure as much as it is the software drivers used. I suppose this means that no matter what, the pen is normalizing a value between 0-1 and that results in the digitizer giving it a "level of pressure".
In short, there is probably not as big of a difference between 256 and 1024 as some may think. It is also why I would recommend a 256 level of pressure wacom over some other brand digitizer that markets 1024 and up.
Just doing a quick report! Will put something with a bunch of details together in the next couple days after I've had a little more time to use my new Yiynova MSP19U.
SO Far....
I LOVE IT.
Had a few issues at first with the driver and Photoshop sensitivity. Will explain later.
But after messing around for a bit, got it to work, and so far, I love it.
Accuracy and sensitivity are awesome. I have an Asus Ep121 which has a Wacom digitizer, which is what I am used to using.
The sensitivity on this feels WAY more responsive and sensitive. Also accuracy seems better.
Anyways, I will tell more soon.
Here's a few small sketches I did tonight. I've only used if for a few hours tonight, so need to explore more.
So far, it works in Photoshop CS4 and CS6, Zbrush and Corel Painter as expected.
More to come soon...
I guess I will have to wait for these Lenovo screens. I'm not sure how responsive they will be though. The wireless version seems to be slightly laggy, as seen here:
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Yep, I dont think there will be any problems lag wise with a wired version.
Its pretty much a no brainer to put the Lenovo above the yiynova.
- Lenovo is a known brand (IBM)
- Surface is scratch resistant gorilla glass
- touch screen capability like the 24hd cintiq
- 1,600 x 900 AH-IPS LCD
- Under 2lbs
- ONLY $350
I already have a cintiq but I will be picking one of these up as a secondary monitor for sure.the price looks a little bit too good for the specs (well, people in the eu will have to pay like 500€ anyway...)
Makes sense though. IPS panels are dirt cheap these days, even from good suppliers. They dont need to include any of the computing hardware that would go into a tablet pc or android device. Toss in a basic wacom digitizer and they are still probably making some serious profit.
only 1600x900 resolution for a 24"? I would expect atleast 1920x1080. After getting used to working on a 26" at work, I've fallen in love with 1080p or higher for working, the clunky interfaces just doesn't fill anything! Thats why I love what Apple are doing with their retina displays, boosting dat resolution!
you mean, what apple are buying from the same supplier as LG and Samsung?
Probably, but then LG and Samsung needs to get their asses moving and give me some high-res laptops/consumer displays.
Not sure what you are talking about here. What does 1600x900 have to do with a 24"?
If you mean the Lenovo, its not 24".
Apple has no more larger LCD resolutions than anyone else is capable of. They get their LCDs from LG and Samsung.
The reason many dont go above 150-200 dpi is that depending on the size of the screen, its just wasted.
Retina Display is more or less a marketing gimmick used by Apple.
Check out this article: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/10/3226295/news-flash-surface-pro-has-a-better-retina-display-than-the-ipad
I stand corrected. Still, the pricing in the EU seems a bit high, but I guess that's mainly due to the taxes and the fact that it is a niche product.
Alright, so I've gotten to sketch and paint around on this bad boy for the last couple nights.
So I guess I'll just share my experience so far.
Packaging was very nice. It seemed very secure and nicely protected. It came with a pen, no extra nibs, a pen holder that clips into the back of the monitor, documentation and drivers cds.
So set up is easy. One VGA cable which has a usb cable split off right at the end and a power cable, so only two cables going into the back of the monitor.
The stand seems to work nicely. Haven't had any issues and don't anticipate any. It is adjustable so you can lay it nearly flat or almost vertical.
Anyways, onto to my experience:
I'm using a four year old computer which has had several wacom tablets installed at some point so I worried I might have issues with the drivers. I uninstalled everything I could find. And installed the Yiynova stuff from the disc.
Rebooted, launched the tablet preferences and calibrated. It's all pretty straight forward. No real deep options for customization, but thats okay. The pen has a two button clicker on the pen, but they can only be assigned to Left, Right, and middle mouse functions. Kind of a bummer as I sometimes like to assign hotkeys... I should also mention the pen felt a little cheap without the battery in it as several reviews had mentioned. But with the battery in it, feels quite nice and not as cheap. I do wish they would opt for a rechargeable pen as opposed to AAA batteries.
Okay, so I had issues right off the bat with Photoshop. Pressure sensitivity would not work. I was concerned but assumed it was something with my PC, as every review I had found mentioned Photoshop working....
Ended up after about an hour and a half of rebooting, trying other programs, and searching google, that I am concluding there must be an issue with 64bit versions of Photoshop and maybe other programs as well. I have yet to confirm. I started up the 32bit version of Photoshop and it has been working perfectly. I plan to contact Yiynova about this and confirm and also request that be updated soon.
I have tested it mainly in photoshop, as I have just been having a lot of fun painting and sketching, and haven't had a ton of time in each sitting. But I have confirmed that it works perfectly in Zbrush and Corel Painter as well. I plan to do a sculpt in Zbrush very soon with it.
Overall, I am absolutely 100% Satisfied with this tablet. The sensitivity on this is really great. The accuracy, I think out performs the wacom digitizer in my Asus ep121 and the edge accuracy is very good too.
The screen brightness is great.
Drawbacks/Cons?
~I think the resolution is acceptable and honestly I have been loving this thing so much, I'm not unhappy in the slightest. BUT, I think it would be even nicer with a little more Res.
~The screen viewing angle is also a little lacking. This isn't an issue very often, as when you[re working on it, you're generally right on top of it and looking it square on, but from any other angle, it becomes harder to see true colors/brightness.
Overall? This is absolutely worth every penny. It just does what it's suppose to do and it does it well. For $1400 less than a Cintiq. Those Lenovo Tablets are pretty sweet looking too. And when they come out, we'll have to see how they perform against a Cintiq and the Yiynova.
For now, the Yiynova MSP19U is pretty amazing for the money. Time will tell if it stands up over a long time period, I suppose, but for now, I'm super happy with it.
I may post back in a week or so, to let you know how it's going. I may do a video review too. We'll see. Any specific questions I didn't mention, let me know.
Here's a little more painting from it.
I've noticed new 12 inch Cintiqs on Ebay for under £600.
I'm guessing this is a much better experience though.
Wish I had the spare cash lying around at the moment as I would probably go for it. Maybe in a couple months...