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Hey guys, did this as an art test for a studio that would prefer to remain nameless. They had very different optimization requirements from what I was used to, so it's a bit awkward on that front, but let me know what you think over all. Modeled from their concept art. Did not get the job btw.

Modeled in Max/Blender, sculpted in ZBrush, rendered in UDK. If you want any more info on the work, let me know.

C&C, much appreciated.

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As a wee bit o' bonus, anyone have any idea what the latin graffiti says? If you answer correctly, you get a digital cookie! Hooray!

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  • sipher3325
    Dang man this is pretty freakin cool. Sorry you didn't get the job but this is great work imo.
  • garriola83
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    garriola83 greentooth
    Caesar is dead! Then something about the patrons/fathers beings pigs. I believe that's the term they called the Roman leaders at the time. My latin is sloppy...
  • dpaynter26
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    dpaynter26 polycounter lvl 11
    i really like it, looks great!
  • Dim
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    Dim polycounter lvl 10
    Thanks guys! Any feedback?

    @garriola83: Correct! (actually senators, but I think patrons and senators were analogous terms at the time as you pointed out) Here you go:

    funny-food-photos-may-the-cookie-be-with-you.jpg
  • Snader
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    Snader polycounter lvl 15
    Any chance you could tell us more about the 'weird optimization' requirements?
  • Dim
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    Dim polycounter lvl 10
    Mostly they were not concerned much with modularity, and they had very high res texture targets and polycount goals. Much higher than I was used to.

    Also, here's a very high res screenie.

    01_UDKShot_03.jpg
  • joe gracey
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    joe gracey polycounter lvl 11
    That sucks, I'm sorry about not getting the job :(
    It looks like you did a fantastic job with the art test.

    What program did you use to get your normals with the wood?
  • Dim
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    Dim polycounter lvl 10
    @Joe: Thanks man! The wood is a mixture of sculpting (pretty rough pass), then a variety of photosourced things stitched together and worked with nDo2. Here's a good method of doing it, mine is somewhat similar http://philipk.net/tutorials/materials/woodrough/woodrough.html

    Here were my sculpts:

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  • Dim
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    Dim polycounter lvl 10
    Gah! Forgot wires!

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  • Avanthera
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    Wooo, that is some sexy wood scluptin!

    This scene is already pretty sweet, but I have a few nitpicks that may help you..

    • I'd say you could have used some more value variation, like making the bits that stick out a bit lighter due to weather/just being worn down.
    • Some of your objects are very monochromatic (stone, wood) when you could add some great variations pretty easily, like adding some blues/greens to your wood.
    • Some noise could be toned down in broad areas and left where there is an edge or a large break. Remember to snipe detail in an area where there is already detail, and leave broad forms alone, this will help a viewers eye go over a scene easier.
    • Having large blocks of one value/color on your stone bits and wood bits really drys up the scene, and you may find that removing some of your noise will just add to that. But a simple gradient of color/value will make a really boring spot really interesting to look at, even though the viewer won't know why. You have it in some places, but it could be helped out a bit in some areas like the pillar tops and the wood.
    • Having things that are facing up/sticking farther out vertcolored to be a touch brighter can help, even if it isn't exactly 100% realistic.

    Quickie paint over in the white square:
    02-romanFacade_01.jpg

    Id say really try to work on getting a large range of color in your pieces, and then pull back when you go overboard. Your highpoly/lowpoly workflow is looking pretty solid, but the textures are not as awesome.

    Again, looks pretty good sir! :)
  • aajohnny
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    This is fantastic! Is unfortunate that you didn't get the job, but I am sure you'll get something lined up soon :) You should build something off of this... Idk why but it reminds me of Bioshock Infinite for some reason haha. Keep up the good work! :thumbup:
  • WarrenM
    Really nice work! I love the look of the whole thing ... those iron windows are great!
  • Rhoutermans
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    Rhoutermans polycounter lvl 12
    looks nice, got any more plans to make it a whole scene? Can you show refs?
  • whw
    I want to echo Rhoutermans idea - You really should turn it into a full scene with street, trees and market stalls. Looks great btw and definitely try reducing the level of noise.
  • nathdevlin
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    nathdevlin polycounter lvl 12
    Excellent work, for me it's just missing that additional layer of variety through the use of blend materials. This can range form dirt build up, subtle colour variety over whats already there. I would have created the cracks as a separate material to paint on rather than putting it into the textures. The noticeable repeating elements are the cracks and bird droppings.

    I'll +1 the street scene suggestion.
  • Fomori
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    Fomori polycounter lvl 12
    Some great crits from shrew81.
    But generally it's fantastic. It will remain a mystery why you didn't get the job and I'm sure you will get something else soon.

    What did you bake your normals in? Max scanline or mental ray or X normal? I'm aware you use some NDO2.
  • Mark Dygert
    I love it! Awesome work!

    The only beef I have is that the cracks repeat a bit too much. you could probably create some crack decals or work out a blend material and make that kind of damage a bit more random?
  • Quickel
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    Quickel polycounter lvl 12
    Maybe it's the amount of competition has been changing but it seems like art tests are becoming more and more intensive in terms of time and what they're requiring and simply making good art isn't enough. I think it looks good and the modularity is smart. My biggest beef is the lighting (looks like the default UDK sun). Everything kind of bleeds together and you really don't have anything out of the warm palette in the scene.
  • Quickel
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    Quickel polycounter lvl 12
    I realize I used the word 'beef' directly after Mark did. It must have been still in my head after reading his comment. :)
  • LuCh!
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    LuCh! polycounter lvl 5
    waw, looking really good!
    don't really understand why you didn't get the job!
    are you allowed to post the concept art?
    maybe it's bc you made it to similair, to true to the concept?
    I've heard a couple of times that they like you to put in a lot of yourself while keeping somewaht true to the concept, but giving it more life, like you did whit the writings
    maybe they wanted some small vegetation in there or something?
    or maybe it wasn't really the style they where looking for
    anyway, I think you did great!
  • locater16
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    Great work for this generation man, but I can see why you didn't get the job, and that's because people are looking for next gen stuff.

    Up close your textures look sort of painterlay, good for that kind of art style or getting the most out of current console texture resolutions. But you'll need to get into photo real/ulra sharp textures for a lot of newer jobs.

    Another thing to note is details like that leaf relief motif (queef, because it rhymes!) need to be in full 3d now. No more trying to fake it with normal maps/textures.

    In other words, when someone's giving you huge texture/poly targets you need to be in the mode of actually USING that stuff to its full potential.
  • Dim
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    Dim polycounter lvl 10
    @shrew81: Those crits are great! Thanks! I agree with both the color and noise statements :) Really appreciate the time you took to do that paintover.

    @aajohnny, Rhoutermans, whw, nathdevlin: I'll consider doing the street, because it's probably a really good idea for the 'folio and would be fun, but I'm pretty burnt on this for the time being, will probably take a break.

    @Rhoutermans: Here's my moodboard. I made this when I started, but it evolved as I went. Still like that lighting ref a lot more than what I have. Also, the concept they gave me is blacked out there.

    oldMoodboard.jpg

    @nathdevlin: Yeah, in retrospect, that would be a much better way to go. I'm still learning a lot of things in UDK, and that is definitely one of them.

    @Fomori: All the normals were baked in xNormal, but some of the tangents are wrong. If anyone has good info about using normal maps well in UDK, it'd be much appreciated. They were fine in Marmoset.

    @Mark Dygert: You're definitely right, and I would have put more effort into that if this was to be anything but a test. The wireframe shot shows all I was required to do, but I jammed a bunch of stuff together for the UDK shots because it's a lot more interesting.

    @Quickel: Probably because it is the default UDK sun :D

    @LuCh!: Naw, can't post the concepts.

    @locater16: I think you're right about the generational difference. Also, polycount/texture requirements were not specified in the initial test, so I sort of gradually realized the optimization requirements as I recieved feedback, and ended up retrofitting a lot.

    Really appreciate the crits/comments guys! Thanks.
  • Lucas Annunziata
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    Lucas Annunziata polycounter lvl 14
    Damn man! Sexy as hell. Even though you didn't get the job, this is still a phenomenal portfolio piece. Keep it up.
  • Alismuffin
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    Alismuffin polycounter lvl 7
    Unnnf
    Thought the first image was a ref pic

    Im impressed :)
  • Dim
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  • JacqueChoi
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    Fantastic job man!!! Great portfolio piece nonetheless.

    ^_^
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