All the weapons/hats here are so fantastic so i decided to give it a try and make one myself.
After little reference here ( http://boisegoodnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/the-wizard-of-oz.jpg ) and some proportions tweak I made this:
I was having some problems in making materials visible (damn ping checker), but now I figured it out so probably i would be in need to fix some textures/material/shapes
Hope to see soon some new updates on your projects, they gave lots of inspiration
That's a pretty cool hat! It makes sense for the engineer. Your phong settings look nice also. The material doesn't really fit into TF2 in my eyes though. You should try getting more of a hand-painted look to it. Also the little handle part looks like it has some awkward smoothing errors but it could just be the way it's lit.
I've really been wanting to make something to contribute but I think I'll wait until I get a tablet so I can try hand-painting it. Also I need a better idea for a hat. Haven't come up with many good ones yet.
I'm positive they only take hats and weapons. They aren't going to implement an item when they don't even have a pants item slot implemented into the game. You could still send it in on the hope that they'd use it when/if they do implement an armor system but it seems like a waste of time to me.
I hate to keep spamming the thread, but here's the finals. I didn't have a chance to try to the more woody texture because I've been busy, I'll probably try it tomorrow.
very nice! i think the chip in the blade seems a bit unrealistic though... i mean, what blade ever chips like that? if you want to add some damage i'd add some damage to the tip/maybe bend the entire blade a little at the base of the blade or something... but i already liked it a lot undamaged.
I'm positive they only take hats and weapons. They aren't going to implement an item when they don't even have a pants item slot implemented into the game. You could still send it in on the hope that they'd use it when/if they do implement an armor system but it seems like a waste of time to me.
And what implementation would that be ?
There is already a MISC slot for some classes, this is supposed to be a MISC item (like the camera beard or the medic mask, or even the gunboats)
yo a little help here ?
I'm trying to view my model with the sdk modelviewer. Path is correctly set to my Steam\steamapps\...\team fortress 2\tf folder. Now when i launch the modelviewer, i can access to a lot of models ([ROOT]\models\player etc) but i can't locate those files on my hard drive nor i can't locate my own mdl files. Where the fook are those files ? Oh and if someone has a way to go to see stuff in game without replacing official items, it would totally make me feel like i'm on drugs. cheers
yo a little help here ?
I'm trying to view my model with the sdk modelviewer. Path is correctly set to my Steamsteamapps...team fortress 2tf folder. Now when i launch the modelviewer, i can access to a lot of models ([ROOT]modelsplayer etc) but i can't locate those files on my hard drive nor i can't locate my own mdl files. Where the fook are those files ? Oh and if someone has a way to go to see stuff in game without replacing official items, it would totally make me feel like i'm on drugs. cheers
Most of the models you see in the Model Viewer are in C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps in the GCF files. You can use GCFScape to look in those without the Model Viewer.
Your own MDL files, if they're actually working in-game, should be somewhere in C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\YOUR USERNAME\team fortress 2\tf\models
Japhir, ZacD: Thanks guys. I am well aware that the damage to the blade is totally unrealistic. I just thought it would look cool and add more character to the knife, which I think it does. Later I guess I will take shots of both versions and decide for myself which I like better. Getting rid of the chip is just merging a vertex or two.
Jaco: Good thing you reminded me! The bolts are just stickers, I did them in the texture just to get their positions correct. I should add some geo or some bump into the normals to make them pop out more.
I like the new one a lot better than the mix of the new and old. It matches the TF2 style a lot better in my opinion. It makes the phong a lot more smooth and less obvious which is a good thing.
Finally managed to compile and load it in modelviewer. Texture is a bit rubbish. Was planning to make a normal map with axes on the front but i'm affraid it will be a bit dirty on a 512 map.
It doesn't need a normal map really. It looks fine without one. Anyway Valve doesn't use normal/spec on hats. Progg sent them a normal/spec map with his Elvis hair and they only used the diffuse.
ok done some more reflecting on what you guys said about the hats only thing, and ok it might be a waste of time indeed so I'm putting the kilt on hold .
Started work on this today between diner and supper.
ok done some more reflecting on what you guys said about the hats only thing, and ok it might be a waste of time indeed so I'm putting the kilt on hold .
Started work on this today between diner and supper.
I like this alot.. the only thing I am going to say is that mustache would be a bitch to add to the game given all of the very animated facial deformations that occur
Wanted to go for the Brad Pit inglorious bastard look, so the moustache is a must
Gonna import tomorrow, and i'll see how it looks ingame with the moustache
Ok i've tested the model ingame, and I think I can get away with the moustache
The soldier mouth animations are mostly the bottom lip, the moustache stays in the right place
/edit
Has anyone done any experimenting with using flex controllers in hats ?
I've been reading up on how I might constraint the moustache to the flexcontrollers in the soldier model,
but I don't really understanding what needs to be done in the qc file :X
/edit 2
gonna call it quits, the moustache is fixed that the mouth deformations will never go through it.
started roughing this in today, will prob be blown over cause its too much like the snipers hat. maybe the color and the snake skin band will make it seem more unique. and i'm hoping like vekos moustache, that this one works well with anims
had sum free time over the weekend -
see how this goes - not sure how tf2 rigs would handle the bolts...or the clipping (i would want the edges flush w/ the mesh...
Gerre this really fits soldier style and look great tooo (as far as civilian could look good in military uniform haha ) achmedthesnake wow that really blow my mind off. I have some worries still Hats cannot (can they?) have normals so there will be some difference in rim lightning on hat-side and normal-side of head. Maybe mask it with this scar-cut right where it blends? Veko Haha another hat that will promote soldier to higher military status Look also realy good. Still maybe it would be good to lover it more to give it some fancy look Noors i like this idea, but you could improve painting. Don't know if all parts should be gold? but now there is to much yellow... hmm maybe ad somewhere some kind of funny stitcher?
edit:
Hehe I managed to find some free time at the end of the weekend and made new phones for engie (here is the inspiration: http://www.fhunowak.pl/foto/ir/ir_mlotki_poziome.jpg)
textures are just plain color for now need to work on theme after work
I don't know if it fits the style of engineer... maybe they are to much similar to music headphones...
btw. Maybe they should be integrated with his default hat.... but i thought about it to late ;/ (and that would be quite similar to mining light hat)
The shader doesn't really act like i thought (put the dead ringer material on it) but w00t, i did it ^^
Yep i agree konras, i might try with 2 colors or smthing, though orignals i've seen were all in gold.
You should try using the phong settings from one of the other hats. If you can't find them I can get them for you.
Anyway it looks like your hat has a spec map on it. If it does then I don't think Valve will use it because they didn't use Progg's normal/spec and I don't think any of the other hats have a normal or spec map.
hey guys, thanks for critics. Actually there's a bit of AO though the shader totally "eats" it. prolly not enough contrast though.
There's no spec map but it uses the little gradient textures from dead ringer material lightwarp and phongwarp. But i'm not very happy with it. Gonna try some more tweaks. And thank you Zipfinator, but i already have the hats vmt.
oh and btw, some hats diffuse texture have an alpha in it and i'm pretty sure they use it as spec map, so it's probably ok to use it aswell.
What i must say is that accidently I found that pith helmet (new sniper hat) has pith_helmet_normal.vtf and there is a reference to it in .vmt. Soo probably Valve decided that this hat realy benefits form normal map, and elvis hair could go without one (kind'a wierd in my opinion).
Noors I checked this vmt setting from dead ringer. Dont know why, but in my opinion it produces very flat shading, and realy lacks of shadow information. You could try (just for check) to use batter_helmet_red.vmt for example and compare the results in a viewer. Maybe it will help? (later maybe you could mix both of theme?)
I found that the phong settings for a hat really differ, I tried a lot of present settings (from other hats) on my Veteran Bastard and they all weren't really what I was looking for.
Just mess around a bit in the vmt to get the phong style you want.
oh cheers for the command Veko.
So i retook the texture (found a nice reference) then applied the batter_helmet_red.vmt material (it has a flame detail map on it ) as Konras said. I think i'm happy with it but I'm a bit tired so waiting for kritz !
(hud refused to hide for some reason)
looks very sexy now Noors, colorchange was definitely a good change.
to hide the hud ingame type "cl_drawhud 0"
I got inspired yesterday by some sixties thing I saw, and I wanted to do a hippie hat for the medic.
Not sure on it though (looked better in my head), me feels it needs some work
can anyone definitely confirm (maybe there are some valve lurkers here) - there are no normals used on the hats in the game?
wanted to sort that out before i decide to go ahead w/mine
The only hat with a normal map is the Sniper's pith helmet. Everything else is straight up smoothed normals - EDIT: smoothing groups, whatever :P. Though, you do need a normal map defined to make the phong work correctly, so they have a flat normal applied.
Been busy, but here's an update from a few days ago. Basically final. The only tweaks I think I should make are making the edges of the wood less dark and getting rid of or keeping the hilt engraving. Do you guys like it? I tried it out because someone suggested I try to balance the detail better between the blade and handle.
My real question is how to submit it. I want it to use the ambassador materials, and I want to have certain parts animated... But I don't think I should do that because I would probably just end up screwing it up worse than if I just submit an obj and leave it to Valve, but how can I get my intention across? When they go to animate it, how will they know exactly where to place the pivots for rotation?
How did you guys who got your models included submit them? I am leaning towards just obj/tga but I don't know whether I should leave it on the axis or scale it to view model size/position.
Anyway, any input on how I should submit it is welcome, because I am eager to get it submitted and move on to the next thing.
Been busy, but here's an update from a few days ago. Basically final. The only tweaks I think I should make are making the edges of the wood less dark and getting rid of or keeping the hilt engraving. Do you guys like it? I tried it out because someone suggested I try to balance the detail better between the blade and handle.
My real question is how to submit it. I want it to use the ambassador materials, and I want to have certain parts animated... But I don't think I should do that because I would probably just end up screwing it up worse than if I just submit an obj and leave it to Valve, but how can I get my intention across? When they go to animate it, how will they know exactly where to place the pivots for rotation?
How did you guys who got your models included submit them? I am leaning towards just obj/tga but I don't know whether I should leave it on the axis or scale it to view model size/position.
Anyway, any input on how I should submit it is welcome, because I am eager to get it submitted and move on to the next thing.
You can submit .SMDs and .VMTs - or the fully compiled .MDL - along with the required sources. Since .SMDs can carry bone information, you could throw that in to point them in the right direction of what you're looking for. Same thing with the VMT.
Just be sure to send the .OBJ and the .TGA, too. Sources are required, no matter what.
You can submit .SMDs and .VMTs - or the fully compiled .MDL - along with the required sources. Since .SMDs can carry bone information, you could throw that in to point them in the right direction of what you're looking for. Same thing with the VMT.
Just be sure to send the .OBJ and the .TGA, too. Sources are required, no matter what.
I said you can. Then again, your hat didn't need any custom bones or criss-crossing of custom textures with Valve's, either. Or maybe it did, I don't know.
If you just explain what you want in the comment box, they'll probably get the gist of it, too.
I'm not sure if Valve would accept custom animations but I don't think they animate the community weapons (Or at least they haven't yet). The Dakolahs uses the Sandvich animations and the melee weapons just copy other melee weapons animations along with copying their taunts. They really need to make a new melee taunt because it's awkward watching a Demoman drink from a Pain Train.
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After little reference here ( http://boisegoodnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/the-wizard-of-oz.jpg ) and some proportions tweak I made this:
I was having some problems in making materials visible (damn ping checker), but now I figured it out so probably i would be in need to fix some textures/material/shapes
Hope to see soon some new updates on your projects, they gave lots of inspiration
I've really been wanting to make something to contribute but I think I'll wait until I get a tablet so I can try hand-painting it. Also I need a better idea for a hat. Haven't come up with many good ones yet.
Texture is very placeholder atm.
not really sure yet on how I'm gonna test the rigging ingame though..
I hate to keep spamming the thread, but here's the finals. I didn't have a chance to try to the more woody texture because I've been busy, I'll probably try it tomorrow.
And what implementation would that be
There is already a MISC slot for some classes, this is supposed to be a MISC item (like the camera beard or the medic mask, or even the gunboats)
I'm trying to view my model with the sdk modelviewer. Path is correctly set to my Steam\steamapps\...\team fortress 2\tf folder. Now when i launch the modelviewer, i can access to a lot of models ([ROOT]\models\player etc) but i can't locate those files on my hard drive nor i can't locate my own mdl files. Where the fook are those files ? Oh and if someone has a way to go to see stuff in game without replacing official items, it would totally make me feel like i'm on drugs. cheers
Most of the models you see in the Model Viewer are in C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps in the GCF files. You can use GCFScape to look in those without the Model Viewer.
Your own MDL files, if they're actually working in-game, should be somewhere in C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\YOUR USERNAME\team fortress 2\tf\models
Jaco: Good thing you reminded me! The bolts are just stickers, I did them in the texture just to get their positions correct. I should add some geo or some bump into the normals to make them pop out more.
and emmm... maybe a mix of previous and new one?
This one
Finally managed to compile and load it in modelviewer. Texture is a bit rubbish. Was planning to make a normal map with axes on the front but i'm affraid it will be a bit dirty on a 512 map.
Konras, it's awesome
Started work on this today between diner and supper.
I like this alot.. the only thing I am going to say is that mustache would be a bitch to add to the game given all of the very animated facial deformations that occur
Gonna import tomorrow, and i'll see how it looks ingame with the moustache
Not sure what I'm going to do about a chinstrap with all of the jaw movement, but I think I'm pretty close to texturing
Ok i've tested the model ingame, and I think I can get away with the moustache
The soldier mouth animations are mostly the bottom lip, the moustache stays in the right place
/edit
Has anyone done any experimenting with using flex controllers in hats ?
I've been reading up on how I might constraint the moustache to the flexcontrollers in the soldier model,
but I don't really understanding what needs to be done in the qc file :X
/edit 2
gonna call it quits, the moustache is fixed that the mouth deformations will never go through it.
I call it "aint got time to bleed"
see how this goes - not sure how tf2 rigs would handle the bolts...or the clipping (i would want the edges flush w/ the mesh...
I really hope it blends well with his actual forehead ingame because the idea itself is amazing
Sergeant's Drill Hat
also teamcolored
and non hat related:
Spy replacement based on the Gentlemen meme
Sniper variation on the Gentlemen meme
Scout is ready for compiling
Is it allowed to post downloadlinks from fpsbanana?
achmedthesnake wow that really blow my mind off. I have some worries still
Veko Haha another hat that will promote soldier to higher military status
Noors i like this idea, but you could improve painting. Don't know if all parts should be gold? but now there is to much yellow... hmm maybe ad somewhere some kind of funny stitcher?
edit:
Hehe I managed to find some free time at the end of the weekend and made new phones for engie
textures are just plain color for now
I don't know if it fits the style of engineer... maybe they are to much similar to music headphones...
btw. Maybe they should be integrated with his default hat.... but i thought about it to late ;/ (and that would be quite similar to mining light hat)
Yep i agree konras, i might try with 2 colors or smthing, though orignals i've seen were all in gold.
Anyway it looks like your hat has a spec map on it. If it does then I don't think Valve will use it because they didn't use Progg's normal/spec and I don't think any of the other hats have a normal or spec map.
There's no spec map but it uses the little gradient textures from dead ringer material lightwarp and phongwarp. But i'm not very happy with it. Gonna try some more tweaks. And thank you Zipfinator, but i already have the hats vmt.
oh and btw, some hats diffuse texture have an alpha in it and i'm pretty sure they use it as spec map, so it's probably ok to use it aswell.
Noors I checked this vmt setting from dead ringer. Dont know why, but in my opinion it produces very flat shading, and realy lacks of shadow information. You could try (just for check) to use batter_helmet_red.vmt for example and compare the results in a viewer. Maybe it will help? (later maybe you could mix both of theme?)
Just mess around a bit in the vmt to get the phong style you want.
And everytime I adjusted the vmt, type in console mat_reloadallmaterials
+ I really caught the contribution bug, working on a medic hat while typing this
So i retook the texture (found a nice reference) then applied the batter_helmet_red.vmt material (it has a flame detail map on it
(hud refused to hide for some reason)
to hide the hud ingame type "cl_drawhud 0"
I got inspired yesterday by some sixties thing I saw, and I wanted to do a hippie hat for the medic.
Not sure on it though (looked better in my head), me feels it needs some work
wanted to sort that out before i decide to go ahead w/mine
The only hat with a normal map is the Sniper's pith helmet. Everything else is straight up smoothed normals - EDIT: smoothing groups, whatever :P. Though, you do need a normal map defined to make the phong work correctly, so they have a flat normal applied.
My real question is how to submit it. I want it to use the ambassador materials, and I want to have certain parts animated... But I don't think I should do that because I would probably just end up screwing it up worse than if I just submit an obj and leave it to Valve, but how can I get my intention across? When they go to animate it, how will they know exactly where to place the pivots for rotation?
How did you guys who got your models included submit them? I am leaning towards just obj/tga but I don't know whether I should leave it on the axis or scale it to view model size/position.
Anyway, any input on how I should submit it is welcome, because I am eager to get it submitted and move on to the next thing.
You can submit .SMDs and .VMTs - or the fully compiled .MDL - along with the required sources. Since .SMDs can carry bone information, you could throw that in to point them in the right direction of what you're looking for. Same thing with the VMT.
Just be sure to send the .OBJ and the .TGA, too. Sources are required, no matter what.
All I submitted was an obj and tga's
I said you can. Then again, your hat didn't need any custom bones or criss-crossing of custom textures with Valve's, either. Or maybe it did, I don't know.
If you just explain what you want in the comment box, they'll probably get the gist of it, too.