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So, anyone get screwed around by sleep paralysis?
I've been experiencing it for the last year or so on and off mostly at points where stress is really getting to me. I found out i'm out of work next Tuesday so stress to find a new job is through the roof and last night just about killed me.

For those who dont know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

What seems like hours is only minutes and the hallucinations are the mos terrifyingly real things you could imagine. I'm starting to notice an increase in how lucid the experience is becoming but sadly it doesn't help control the situations, it just allows the mind to think up even more wild stuff to throw at you, after fighting it for about an hour last night i just decided to give up and stay awake, it was more peaceful than trying to sleep.

Bottom line: if i'm a vegetable in the hospital, i want the plug pulled, i cant imagine anything worse than being trapped in your own mind after experiencing this.

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  • Zack Fowler
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    Didn't one of the Kotaku editors go through this? I think it was Fahey. It sounds awful, you have my sympathy man.
  • rebb
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    Yeah it's scary as fuck, luckily i didn't experience it for quite a while, had it only a few times so far.
    It usually makes me feel like im suffocating and then i try to breathe as hard as possible while desperately trying to move.
  • Ghostscape
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    I've only experienced it once, a couple of months ago, when I was certain that there was someone in my apartment, I couldn't move, and I watched them slowly move into my bedroom via their shadow on my wall. When they grabbed my blankets (which I had partially over my head) I couldn't even scream.

    But I did wake up at that time, thankfully, still unable to shake the feeling that someone was in my apartment. After spending some time in front of the computer trying to relax I gave up and wound up going in to work at 5am that day :)
  • Ruz
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    MikeF , don't worry man I get it quite a lot and its generally when I have been slaving away on a zbrush model until the early hours.

    It's best to spend at least half an hour winding down before going to bed after working on the computer, ie watch telly, look out of the window for a while but NOT on the computer

    sometimes the experience of someone touching you or other freaky shit is just you with your hands or arms folded over your body whilst asleep.
    you become aware of your body , like your hand might be on your face etc
  • Delerium
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    yeah, I had it on and off for a couple of years. so horrible sometimes, specially when i didnt know what it was. I was convinced that i had the gift of seeing ghosts for some time. I eventually learned to break out of the paralysis and after that it gradually dissapered. I get it once or twice a year but now when I have learned to wake up its ok.
  • JasonLavoie
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    That really sucks to hear Mike, when I was a bit younger I use to go through that at least once or twice a week (not as intense as Ghost) but I did have this one shadow that just loomed outside my door... and the ringing in my ears would increase as the shadow got closer. After awhile (and going through many of these dream states) I could control myself more (sounds weird) and then I would try and "face" the shadow, which usually woke me up faster, but made the ringing almost unbearable.

    I haven't had one in quite sometime now, but I still have very vivid memories of what it was like.

    If there is anyway you could bring down the stress a bit, or maybe try sleeping on the couch for a couple days, this may help.
  • samgriffiths
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    I don't know if i've experienced this, sometimes I know 100% that I'm asleep, but I can't move - I know that I'm laying on my sofa or w.e - usually it lasts for like 5-10 seconds, I save up all my energy and push it out in one go and it breaks it.

    I lucid dream alot, I usually know I'm in a dream the second I go to sleep.

    I get it every few weeks, scary shit especially when you can't wake - perhaps not SP but dam it's nasty.
  • Calabi
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    I used to have these, alot. I'm asleep and I have this entity float down from the ceiling, it used to scare me, but not any more. I dont know when, but when it happened I knew that I was alseep, I never tried to move my body but I could move, in a way.

    I wont go into details but I could and did a few wierd things. After this I can sometimes go straight into a lucid dream from that where I can control mostly anything.
  • 00Zero
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    i know what you guys mean. somtimes on saturday mornings, i know i have to wake up and do some work, but im just so lazy, i just lay there for a few hours staring at the window. then i get bored and get out of bed. its horrible ;)

    jk. one of my friends actually has this too.

    i dont understand about the "shadows". wtf are they? it sounds super freaky
  • MikeF
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    somewhat glad to see its a bit more common than i thought, thanks for the words guys. Jason, i completely forgot about the ringing in the ear, but now that i think about it, every time i'm about to go into an instance the ringing starts. Usually its just a light ringing like when the room is completely silent and you just feel a slight pressure but then it builds up gradually to the point where you are full blown into the paralysis, i think thats part of the reason it its so physically alarming for me because it ringing in my ears pisses me off, just gets in my head.

    ruz, i usually try and get out for a 10-15 minute walk before going to bed, but last night i skipped it because i was feeling really tired, so i just watched pbs for a while before trying to go to bed, you're prolly onto something there

    As far as the shadow things goes, i've had that happen once and it was just as you guys described, and it was also followed by the sensation of being lifted up by my chest like being pulled by a tractor beam or something. It felt so real at one point i stopped fighting it and just decided, "hey at least i might see an alien, make the best out of this". Still scary as fuck tho
  • Steve Schulze
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    I've had it a few times back when I was in uni. Scarier though was the way it'd just suddenly disappear and I'd wind up flying out of bed in an insane panic and trying to fight off the incubi. I'd either wind up breaking into a run and crashing into something or worse, punching out inanimate objects in my room.

    The worst instance was the time I smacked the nearby pedestal fan, knocked the cover flying across the room which then bounced off the wall and came straight back at me. This resulted in me punching at it a whole lot more. When the adrenaline ebbed enough for me to go and turn the light on, I had two fingernails torn most of the way off, the skin on the backs of my fingers was all shredded and there was blood splattered right across the bedroom wall. I shudder to think what would have happened if there'd been anyone else in the bed at the time.

    Thankfully it seems like those were just a few freak occurences and I haven't felt the need to fight any monsters in quite a while.
  • brandoom
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    I have no idea if this will help at all but I read somewhere while your dreaming, ask your self if your awake.

    If you can manage you ask yourself this while dreaming it is supposed to wake you up within your dream.. or something.

    I don't think I've ever experienced what your going through but it definitely doesn't sound much fun. Hope things get better for you.
  • aesir
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    i hallucinate a lot, but it's rarely scary.
  • Parnell
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    This sounds like you guys are really just being abducted by aliens.
    B
  • danshewan
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    I'd never even heard of this until I read this thread - sounds intense.
  • IEatApples
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    I sometimes hallucinate while going to bed. It tends to be bug like creatures flying towards my face, pretty freaky.
  • JasonLavoie
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    Ohhhh, actually another thing I remembered, if you are listening to music / radio / tv while you are sleeping, noises can actually trigger this... its usually a "bright" noise that will get you into it if you're about to go into a deep sleep.

    One thing I did was actually cut tv out when I sleep (I liked having the noise) and that instantly helped, also you'll get a better nights rest.
  • acc
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    I've had sleep paralysis my entire life. Yeah, sucks. My tip for dealing with it, if you're in your lucid dream state and feel paralyzed, is just to get really pissed off. Struggling in fear will do nothing but getting angry and trying to take a few swings at 'em can work. Just need to stop yourself before you actually start running around punching things in real life instead of the dream ;)

    Also, for some people there are warning signs before it kicks in all the way. For me I'll generally be in my home somewhere, and I'll hear a strange voice or "feel" a presence outside of the room approaching me. I catch that happening and I try real damn hard to wake up real fast.
  • Pedro Amorim
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    Fuck
    while reading this shit i got goosebumps.

    Because some weeks ago i was asleep and i dreamt that this weird ghost shadow type shit was hovering above me and trying to lift me up. and i tried to push him away and wake up! damn! it was so freaky! i turned on the light and covered myself with the sheets!
    damn!
  • low odor
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    In my exp. the best thing to do is relax. It takes practice, but as soon as you can learn to let go of your fear, and stop struggling to control, you'll ease in and out of it fairly quickly.

    I had this pretty bad in my early 20's. I would also hear this wierd static noise right before it happened. Freaked me out pretty badly.
  • Ruz
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    odd though, I kind of enjoy the sensation really. what I don't like is when I stop breathing for a while and wake up bolt upright taking a deep breath.
  • Mefix
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    Ruz wrote: »
    odd though, I kind of enjoy the sensation really.

    Pretty much the same. The first time was scary, without an actual idea what the hell was going on. The other times I just explored the sensations, was pretty interesting.

    What helped me was to start concentrating on the tips of my fingers, slowly releasing the hand from paralysis and moving up the hand and other parts of the body.
  • StJoris
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    Heh wow pretty freaky stuff going on here. I've heard of it before, but that so many people experience this I hadn't expected.
    I don't think I've ever experienced this paralysis but closest I came to this when I was getting ill one night in the middle of a very busy work period. A bit delirium, sweaty, hot, you know, the type that keeps you out of deep sleep all night. So I was half-asleep, sort of knowing I was dreaming but not able to get out of it. And lo and behold I dreamt I was working all night, god damn it dragging things in InDesign all night. Telling myself to dream of pretty beaches instead resulted in pictures of beaches, hehe but unfortunately those were inside indesign boxes as well. I could not get out of it.
  • mdeforge
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    I think I experienced something like it once, but I'm not sure if it was sleep paralysis or hallucinations because of a nasty flu I caught.

    I had been watching The Day After Tomorrow on TV before I went to bed and over night I was having this terrible dream that somehow I created this blackhole and it was devouring everything in the universe exponentially. I couldn't stop it and it was getting closer and closer to Earth and no matter what I tried to do all my friends, family and loved ones all were perishing and be sucked into this thing. It sounds retarded, but it was truly frightening.

    I woke up and even after I woke up I remember trying to snap myself out of the emotions I was having but I couldn't do anything. I felt freaking hot so I dragged myself into a cold shower and sat in it for 20 minutes. I got out, skipped drying off and sat in front of a fan and waited for the water to dry off hoping to disappate some of my fever with it. I finally remember coming to my senses and the panic'd feel went away.

    Sounds like a bad acid trip :D Scary as hell though. I'm glad I helped break the fever though, that was a really high temp.
  • cman2k
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    I used to get these when I was younger and holy fuck was it terrifying.

    I haven't had them since but I have had nightmares about having them.

    Yes. I had nightmares about nightmares. That's how fucking scary they are.
  • Yozora
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    Oh so thats what it is...
    I had one of these before when someone posted some thread here about dreams, didnt know it was some condition :o

    I was having some weird dream where a strange silhouette with a very thin neck and a weird round hat/head was killing people, and then I woke up with my head facing the side and saw the corpses of those people in my room.
    The silhouette was still standing there in between me and the corpses, and I couldn't move or speak. When I eventually could move, I put on my glasses and discovered the strange silhouette was actually my chair (http://www.thehirebusiness.com/images08/e030-maglia-mesh-chair.jpg)

    First time I ever experienced this, it definitely was a frightening experience :/
  • Ruz
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    just wondering if you also woke up with wood:)
  • hobodactyl
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    For anyone experiencing lucid dreaming, sleep paralysis, etc. I really recommend picking up some books on astral travel:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection

    I know some people think this is new age mumbo-jumbo, but anyone who has experienced it knows that it's very real, and it's something anyone can learn to do. I think for people that experience terrifying sleep paralysis, for example, learning about astral projection can show you how to turn these terrifying experiences into very powerful spiritual journeys.

    I've been studying/practicing to achieve OBEs and astral projection, etc. so if anyone would like to talk about it more or anything PM me or just message me on MSN :)

    If you haven't ever had a conscious OBE I suggest practicing it, it can be amazing :D If you're interested you can find some good info here: gnosticweb.com

    EDIT: OBE = Out of Body Experience ;)
  • Ruz
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    LOl, I meant ed wood of course
  • Joopson
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    Oh my god, I hate this.

    Usually I am not paralyzed, thank goodness, but I do hallucinate if I am half asleep.
    Like real and dream worlds mix.

    Squirrels running under my bed, just barely glimpsing giant spiders crawling below my bed-side table, or a creepy lady standing staring at my hallway wall slanted like this: \

    But I sleepwalk very rarely and the same thing happens when I do, so its kind of cool sometimes.
    One time I woke up to my blanket across the room. I threw it in my sleep at someone crouching on the ground (No, they weren't really there)

    meh, it scares me
  • Del
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    Used to get this very regularly when I was younger. So much so that I would be afraid to go to sleep.

    I always found that as soon as someone touched me I would be free, but sometimes it felt like I had to wait an eternity for anyone to come get me.

    I hope I never have to go through it again.
  • yoyomon
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    brandoom wrote: »
    I have no idea if this will help at all but I read somewhere while your dreaming, ask your self if your awake.

    Easier said than done. I doubt it's possible while deep asleep for you to know that what's happening in front of you is all just a dream. You're more or less a passenger instead of the pilot of the show.

    I use to have sleep paralysis when I was smaller. The first time I got it was when I was about 14 and I had just gotten back from a day at Carowinds. A small nap on the couch and next thing I know, I was fully conscious but couldn't move. The only thing I could really do was push what amount of air I could muster from my lungs through my relaxed vocal cords to produce a soft, low, broken noise.

    Lucky I don't see anything too out of the ordinary during these episodes so they were more annoying than scary. I realized after the first incident, the only way I could get back full control was to reach down inside myself and muster what strength I had to try and move some part of my body. It kind of sucks since your body feels like noodles and it requires a couple of attempts. A good analogy is the scene in Kill Bill vol. 1 where Beatrix makes herself to the hospital nurse's truck and tries to revive her paralyzed body by "waking up" her toes.

    @ Raz: I think you've just figured out why guys get sleep paralysis ;P Girls don't get sleep paralysis so it makes sense.
  • mookster
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    I've had this happen quite a few times. I remember reading that it's most likely to happen while sleeping on your back. After reading that I've made sure I sleep on my side or stomach and I haven't experienced it since.
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    Mook, I was just about to type this exact same thing! It's not something I heard, it's actually the conclusion I came to after a few cases of paralysis. Falling asleep on the back seems to trigger it indeed.

    It gets even worse without a pillow actually haha. Gives me the feeling of my body tilting back further than the horizontal plane of the bed - kindof like taking a backwards dive at the pool, only slowed down to an extreme. And yeah most of the time when conscious paralysis happens it gives me the feeling of fighting for my own safety as it often comes with the sensation of having someone sneaking in the room. Freaky stuff!

    Also I believe this is all strongly linked to chronique fatigue. I am pretty positive that most posters experiencing sleep paralysis often stay up till like 3am working on stuff huh?
  • Thegodzero
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    This disease is the cause of most all alien abduction stories, and it makes a lot of sense.

    So the white noise/ringing you hear would it invert? You know like in the fanta commercials.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't the same thing, but I used to have a dream/nightmare that was basically my mind stuck in a all sand desert with a white noise/ringing that moved closer and closer. The closer it got the more it inverted and with it the sand would change to twisted sharp shards of black glass.
  • oXYnary
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    Ive had similar when your going into sleep, but your awake.. Your at the point where your automatic breathing function should kick in, but since your awake, it wont, and because your paralyzed, you cant breath manually. So its like your suffocating.

    Suckors.
  • HonkyPunch
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    It happens to me sometimes, but used to happen a lot more when I was little.
    Hallucinations suck, had one where horses were jumping over my bed :D
    All said, it doesnt happen so much anymore unless I go a long long long period of time without sleep.
    Still, it sucks shit, yeah. Also, when i have really really bad migraines, cause I get those about twice monthly, but some are really shitty bad.
    Augh, worst thing ever, having to lay in a dark room with a wet rag on my forehead, hours on end wanting to get up and do something, but feels like my head is going to pop.
    Worst.
    Thing.
    Ever.
  • Ride
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    Sounds scary. Never had one of those, i think. I do however sometimes just before falling asleep, feel as if im falling through my bed at an incredible speed for like a second, and then i wake up super alert.

    I doubt that's sleep paralysis tho.
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    Ride wrote: »
    I do however sometimes just before falling asleep, feel as if im falling through my bed at an incredible speed for like a second, and then i wake up super alert.
    .

    Yea I've experienced something like this a few times myself. It lasts less than a second, but it feels like I'm about to fall off the bed even though I'm laying flat in the middle :s
  • hobodactyl
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    For everyone having that sensation of falling out of your body when you're falling asleep, and even sleep paralysis, it's something you can learn to control and to explore things outside of your body. It's really amazing, and it can be life-changing.

    My understanding of it is that our consciousness leaves our body every time we fall asleep, so you're "astrally projecting" every time you sleep. However, most people aren't consciously aware of it. Sleep paralysis is when you become consciously aware of your body while it's asleep. If you don't know what's going on though, your consciousness is trying to say "hey, I have to be in that body!" so even though you're consciously awake you feel trapped in a sleeping body. You can learn to leave your body and explore whatever you want.
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    hobodactyl wrote: »
    For everyone having that sensation of falling out of your body when you're falling asleep, and even sleep paralysis, it's something you can learn to control and to explore things outside of your body. It's really amazing, and it can be life-changing.

    My understanding of it is that our consciousness leaves our body every time we fall asleep, so you're "astrally projecting" every time you sleep. However, most people aren't consciously aware of it. Sleep paralysis is when you become consciously aware of your body while it's asleep. If you don't know what's going on though, your consciousness is trying to say "hey, I have to be in that body!" so even though you're consciously awake you feel trapped in a sleeping body. You can learn to leave your body and explore whatever you want.

    I have that falling feeling too sometimes. It lasts half a second and I snap out of it after violently shuddering my body. What you're saying sounds very interesting, like a trip from drugs but without touching that stuff (which I have sworn to never do). I should look into that.
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    Thegodzero wrote: »
    This disease is the cause of most all alien abduction stories, and it makes a lot of sense.

    So the white noise/ringing you hear would it invert? You know like in the fanta commercials.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't the same thing, but I used to have a dream/nightmare that was basically my mind stuck in a all sand desert with a white noise/ringing that moved closer and closer. The closer it got the more it inverted and with it the sand would change to twisted sharp shards of black glass.

    The sound getting louder is somthing that always happened. I dont think I know what you mean by "invert". It sounds like a radio that is almost, but not quite tuned to a station. Like you can hear snippets of voices mixed with static, but mostly just static. I got it so much, I eventually used it as a dream sign to help me become lucid. Its actually pretty common..barely happens to me anymore
  • ericdigital
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    An artist friend in L.A. I know suffers from sleep paralysis. Man, he had some freaky stories too. I know his was real severe to the point where he would see his body parts changing and transforming and ghosts and monsters ripping him open, really insane.

    His wife said it's really weird to see.
  • kickzombies
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    Sleep paralysis sounds awful.
    Dont think I've experience full on sleep paralysis but some similar incidents.
    But I often have these dreams where I'm usually somewhere in my basement and nasty things happen.
    My room is located in the basement along with a laundry room, spare room, and a bathroom.
    Things get really weird, its usually accompanied with this sense of panic or something beside me right before I fall asleep.
    Then the entire time I'm sleeping it usually goes as follows. Ill be wandering or in my dream 'wake up', sometimes someone
    calls for me, but just something that gets me moving to other parts of the house. Last night in the dream someone called
    for me by the stairwell so I natural went to see then I hear a giggle behind me, then i instantly knew (from past dreams)
    that nothing good would come from this I tried to turn around and walk away but then the feeling of someone jumping on
    me accompanied to what would feel like someone hitting you in the the head with a baseball bat without the blunt pain
    sometimes the feeling of vomiting as well. The feeling my dream is so surreal, anyways I usually topple over and hit the
    ground then thats when I wake up, or the dream repeats itself over the night.

    O_O

    Maybe I have some subconscious fear of basements lol.
  • mLichy
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    Damn, I've never even heard about this stuff actually... pretty fucked up.. : \. The only thing I've experience was panic attacks a couple times. Felt like I was having a heart attack or something or if I was falling to my death, but in reality am just laying in my bed.
  • 00Zero
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    I do however sometimes just before falling asleep, feel as if im falling through my bed at an incredible speed for like a second, and then i wake up super alert.

    ive had this happen a few times as i was sleeping in the classroom. embarrassing.
  • rooster
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    that one's called 'sleep starts' or 'hypnic jerk' apparently, I looked it up after it happened to me. i usually feel like I'm falling forwards and jerk my leg in the air to stop myself, followed by a loud curse
  • Noia
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    I had this a lot as a child. Often I would simultaneously see the first POV of whatever getting into the house, creeping up the stairs, peeking into my room, etc. Never found out what my monster was. When I was really little, I had this but instead of being paralyzed in bed, I was paralyzed in the palm of a hand of a hungry giant.

    I think the getting pissed off approach that Acc mentioned might help.

    My dreams are often lucid, and sometimes when they're not if I can replace my fear with something just as strong (grief, anger), I can get some control. I've also tried a sort of Eternal Sunshine method before too where I can gain lucidity where whatever is going on in the dream, I refuse to play along and instead search for my boyfriend, or sometimes my little sister or nephew (protective feelings are strong). It can get sad when you can't find them anywhere or they don't seem to notice you trying to catch them, but I suppose it's easier to be running towards something than to be running away from, or worse helplessly waiting for, something scary.
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    actually.. i think i had something like this once when i was very little, about 2-3 years old.
    there was a fox skin hanging on the wall, i probably fell asleep on the living room floor,
    and i saw the thing crawl down from the wall, and i giggled when it was following me as i was being carried to my bedroom. then when i was lying there about to fall asleep, it jumped up from behind the bed, and scared the shit out of me. i even remember it turned its head towards my step-dad when he opened the door to my bedroom.
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    Here's a link to a bunch of people's first experiences with astral travel:
    http://www.gnosticawakenings.com/video/obe-experiences

    At least one of the people interviewed talks about how they became interested because of their sleep paralysis (The interview with Matthew). The site has free online courses that can guide you to understanding astral projections & out of body experiences :)
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