Sniper Rifle
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Hi!
I'm working on a sniper rifle at the moment.
The concept is made by Michael Kingery. (Called Sniper Rifle http://www.michaelkingery.com/industrialdesign/ )
This is what I have so far:
Please let me know what you think!
I'm working on a sniper rifle at the moment.
The concept is made by Michael Kingery. (Called Sniper Rifle http://www.michaelkingery.com/industrialdesign/ )
This is what I have so far:
Please let me know what you think!
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I like to look at design and implement it from a usability standpoint, so bare with me on this explanation.
Many people complain about Bullpup designs because the ejection port (for autos) is tossing out hot brass, and firing just inches from your face if you have the weapon shouldered. This is a pretty silly complaint since many forces are using these without any failures or injury as a result of these complaints.
However, a revolver does have significant spillage of hot gases from the ammo drum, when you put that beside your face, that's going to zing a bit. especially on a round so large.
I would consider adding something like a plate to keep these gasses away from the user, on the same side that the shooter's face would be nuzzled against when laying down with the weapon, like a cheek plate.
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i like the high-poly not much of a gun nut so i cant really say anything about the design.
Practicality aside, it looks good!
sir-knight: I will think about the cheek plate and see how it looks. Thanks for the advice!
Functionality aside, glad you think it looks good.
Also, the revolver would be well. . .revolving, right where my cheek was, so every time I fired, it would be pinching my cheek into the gun. . .
Another big complaint about bullpups is loading. Soldiers like to be able to reload without taking their rifle away from their shoulder. This is difficult enough with current bullpup designs, but with this design, I have to fully disengage the gun, disassemble part of the stock, reload, and after all of that, I only have 6 shots before I have to reload again.
I think your technical work on it is great though, thumbs up!
Not as much a problem with sniper rifles. Many of them are actually single shot bolt action, even nowadays.
Crits:
- I take it this is a FPS weapon, what will it look like from that point of view? That's important to take into account when doing weapons for games.
- The front part look kind of like a stand, which I think is almost mandatory on sniper rifles? But it doesn't look like is actually functional? Could be a chance to pack in some more delicious sub-d detail.
- The grip might need some redesign, it doesn't look that comfortable, or like it could be used in a laying down position.
Looking great tho, some good sub-d detail. Looking forward to more!
LOL so you're saying that all long rifles should have their magazines removed? That's retarded. Just because I have multiple rounds in a magazine doesn't mean I'm going to use them all at once. . . but it sure is nice knowing they're there if I need them.
As for you Vig! WTF do you think you're doing coming in here and cluttering this thread up with actually useful information for the OP?!
But your HP really does look great :thumbup:
I will add a stand to it. I've made a mockup of it, and I will model it tomorrow when I have time!
Also, I will see what I can do about the cheek cover.
Thank you all for your comments!
Indeed. Also, to add to the ejection issue, most scout snipers wear gunney gloves(trigger finger cut out on their trigger hand) and when firing a round and releasing the bolt, they grab the casing with their non-trigger hand after the bolt ejection pushes the casing out slightly. So the issue of the gasses/heat in your face isn't so much an issue because your hand blocks most of that when you pull the casing.
The modeling looks nice with controlled clean surfaces, so it would be great to see that applied to a more logically sound design. If you're finding designing a gun from the ground up difficult I would recommend working on a few real guns or creating a new gun out of parts of other guns to get your feet wet.
A good understanding of the core mechanics of a gun can go a long way to making a cool design far easier to come up with; much like drawing a skeleton or a frame first, sketching the pose, and then creating a character based on that in stead of trying from scratch without a study of form and anatomy.
I'm curious, how did you model all the round holes on the barel there?
Is it a simple boolean, on a subdivided mesh, because I don't imagine you modeled all of those holes right?
Thank you for the kind words!
I actually modeled all the holes.
Also, thought I'd post the concept here, in case I didn't make it clear in the first post that I'm working from a concept made by Michael Kingery.
I will never post another gun on this forum, too many gun nuts that ignore the great art just to prove they know how a gun should work.
Anyways, I think this is looking bad ass, it stays very true to the concept art. Keep up the good work!
I remember talking about clips on sniper rifles with a buddy of mine who went through marine sniper school. He said the important rule was, never shoot twice from the same location, but take as many shots as you need to make sure its not going to shoot back. Of course we where drunk and I think he was joking but maybe not.
You obviously didn't waste your time, you've crafted a nice model from a technical standpoint and any time anyone does that you'll always walk away with more knowledge that you started with. I don't mean to say start over because this gun is worthless, rather the opposite, it was a good learning experience. You saw design issues inherent in the concept and now you'll be better equipped to avoid them in the future.
That's why I say take this knowledge and move forward to a new piece. Sure, it couldn't hurt to make a low and unwrap it if you could use practice with that process, but I really wouldn't push it to the finish line because the problems it has would handicap it greatly as a portfolio piece.
Timwise - dont be such a baby.
I don't think anyone is ignoring the quality of the technical drawing or the implementation of design and how accurate the 3d is to the design. In fact I think he nailed it pretty good.
You have a bunch of guys who are borderline if not completely OCD when it comes to attention to detail because for most of us, it's our job. Artists have to design believable worlds and props that people can relate to and see in use, otherwise we'd be sucking at what we do.
The other guys have summed it up pretty well. I shouldn't need to type more... even though I want to :B
btw, i shat myself when i saw it. very well realized, superb job
Seems most of you like the model but don't like the functionality, and some say it won't work in my portfolio even if it looks good.
So now I'm kinda stumped. I really like this model, but I don't know what to do now.
Leave it, or make a new model.
I'll be thinking.
You're talking to people who make games where a plumber jumps on mushrooms that have eyes to kill them. Games where you have forearm-length rocketlaunchers that magically fire 50 rockets in a row. Railguns. Shrinkrays. Nailguns. Hand-held nuke launchers.
I would rather have my art judged on its artist merit (ie. silouette is boring in first-person view, lacking detail in the middle section), how close it is to concept (ie. if you're really looking to hit that concept, this part is a bit off, it should be longer.. etc), and how good/cool it looks. If you're handed a concept at work, you're expected to make it look good in game, not debate the finer points of sniper etiquette with your AD. If this were of the OP's own design, then I think the design would be up for critique.
As it is, the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this piece was: cool, a revolver sniper rifle with the spinny-bit in the stock. That's different, and would have cool-looking firing and reload animations.
Go into each part and see how their real life counter parts actually work (somewhat). look at pictures with people holding rifles, ask if they could as easily handle yours, add what is needed. In this concept if you fire the gun maybe your hair will go on fire because of the explosion is close to where your head is. I dunno :P
Well modeled, good luck deciding what to do now.
you lot need to realise how much you taking out of this guy. comments like "start over" would really upset me and i can see how much effort he has put into this gun and its a real shame your slamming this guy over the design of his gun and only looking at how well its modelled in the foot note of your messages.
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/854/854308/wipeout-hd-20080222014447397.jpg
see this. its a floating car. should should i stop playing wipeout because a floating cars impracticable and death racing might hurt? they by no means explain how its floating. we accept it works because we see its works.
this gun looks like a gun, its got a trigger, a long metal tube thing and a scope so its safe to assume its a sniper rifle. no questioning needed
take a step back and try to realise why your here people
Whenever you get someone who spends to much time in any one area, they start to obsess over things ---and suck the life out of anything that doesnt fit their mold.
And cmon guys---We make games!! They are supposed to be fantastical and impractical--that's part of the reason that they are fun!
good work. the end.
Nice clean modelling and well done for staying true to the design. Good job
I admit, the design of the weapon made me go "Huh?", but the execution was, indeed, quite well done.
I made some small changes, tweaking, added some details and added a stand.
Please let me know what you think.
Definitely don't start over, this is worth finishing.
Thank you!
I tried making it more spread out, and it did look really, really good. However, it didn't fit when it was retracted. :P
So I compromised a bit by just spreading it a little bit.
I could try and design something that would allow it to spread out though. I'm kinda puzzled though.
and who the hell dares mention turok armory ?! i was just thinking about where i could find turok 2 just to see the awesome guns and someone drops it here ?!
on this picture the hinge is at an angle allowing the legs to close together. would that work?
see angled hinge
Whoever designed the gun didn't take the FPS POV into account, it looks like they kind of tried to consider it too late with the lower right drawing? But didn't let its lack of detail or hidden detail influence the overall design. One of the unique features (revolver clip) will be buried off camera, totally not your fault but it underscores the fact that FPS weapons need to be designed not from the side but from the FPS pov. That happens quite a bit too. But wait what about the model viewed from other players pers? The arms and hands will do a good job of covering this, you might be able to do some kind great reload animation, but at that point its going to be missed most of the time.
I think Johny has a good idea about breaking up the form of the scope. I really like the hinge detail and I think it adds some good detail to a bit of blank spot, probably more so when its retracted? But the stand/tripod needs to rotate around single point so it can swivel around in other direction.
HOWEVER since this is a FPS sniper weapon you get to take advantage of the fact anytime the player is in a position that they would technically need to put the stand down, they'll be zoomed in. (The door, it swings both ways!) So I don't think you need to actually have it out and functional and I wouldn't suggest anyone waste bones by animating it. Retracted and always adding eye candy is perfectly fine.
Ideally for future weapons, and when picking out or redesigning concepts, its probably good to keep this stuff in mind. If you think we're picky wait until the real gun nuts start playing the game, then the sh!t storm happens.
I'll have an update for tonight hopefully.
I'd like to see an eye-cup for the lens, too, to keep it from getting scratched as easily and to keep the user from accidentally blinding themselves
I've made some changes some of you asked for, and I'm quite happy with it!
I made a new stand, added some details to the FPS view and did some general tweaking of various areas.
Time to start working on the lowpoly now I guess.