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So, the second episode of better Call Saul just aired last night, what are everyone's thoughts?

I wasn't a fan of the idea of doing a prequel, since you know how things end up and the actors are visibly older, but so far I've really enjoyed this show. Great start.
I hope they don't linger too much on characters we've seen before, but it was fun to see Tuco again. Also, it's awesome to see the guy who played Vaas in Far Cry 3 will be having a big role in this.

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  • notman
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    I wasn't too keen on the first episode. I really didn't see it appealing to anyone, who wasn't already a fan of Breaking Bad. I felt like it spent a lot of time setting things up, and not really going anywhere.

    I have the second one DVR'd, so I can't comment on it yet. Maybe I'll see if I can stream it during lunch.
  • Shiniku
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    I mean, I think ep. 1 of any show has to spend some time 'setting things up'. I probably didn't get too into Breaking Bad until halfway through the first season. In retrospect the first episodes are really good, but it's hard to tell before you know much.

    Jury is still out on "Saul" but I'm optimistic based on what I've seen so far.
  • slipsius
    Second one was definitely a LOT better than the first. I felt the first was pretty damn slow. second one was also pretty slow, but, better. Then again, Breaking bad was also slow to start. Not THIS slow. but ya.

    But, I've enjoyed it. Im not convinced it's only good for breaking bad fans though. And even if it is, there are a LOT of breaking bad fans... so, who cares?
  • notman
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    I don't mean to sound like the 'show' is only for BB fans, I'm just saying that I think the first episode would not be interesting to anyone who was not a BB regular. And sure, there are a lot of BB fans, but Saul isn't going to appeal to ALL of them, and I'm sure they want it to be just as successful (or close) as BB. I think the point of airing the first episode, after TWD, was to get new people into the series. I'm not sure that first episode did anything for that.

    For instance, someone I game with, was wondering why everyone was excited about Saul, and he gave it a view. He only made it 15 minutes in, and shut it off. Sure, that Cinnabon opening was interesting, for BB fans, it only served to confuse/bore him.
  • slipsius
    Ya, for sure that's why they did the 2 episodes in 2 days. Because the first one was really frigging slow. But they have to start somewhere, right? Breaking bad didnt pick up till later. It had a terribly low audience the first season. It was almost cancelled, but each season had more and more viewers. I have a feeling this will be the same.

    Though, I hope it does well. If it does, they are planning on doing the story of Gus next, which I think would be a fantastic watch.
  • notman
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    I plan to continue watching it (watching ep 2 online, right now). I'm just afraid of the first ep leading to people not watching, and the show failing. I like the 2nd one so far, though it's still a bit slow (so far).
  • Deathstick
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    Oh baby I'm loving it so far. It's way better than I thought it would be; particularly in how it has the quality and humor/drama mixture of Breaking Bad, but keeping its own identity so it doesn't feel at all like an attempt to milk the series.

    Can't wait for the next episode, Go Team Kettleman! ;)
  • Kwramm
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    so far I'm enjoying this way more than the Walking Dead.
  • anmol94
    The second one was also pretty slow, but, better. Then again, Breaking bad was also slow to start.
  • slipsius
    Very enjoyable 3rd episode. You can really start seeing him fall into his character now. And I think it's to the point it doesnt matter if you watched breaking bad. it would be enjoyable regardless. Glad it's picked up.
  • blazed
    I've enjoyed every single episode so far, not once did I feel bored. It might be slow paced but it's not boring. Obviously not something that can be easily watched a second time round though.

    To me it's just Breaking Bad again, Just think of it as one big flash back of Saul.

    It won't ever be as good without Heisenberg but it still does feel like the Breaking Bad universe.

    It would be great to see towards the end of the series that the timeline connects with the Breaking bad one. So we can see what was happening on Saul's side and even get to see Heisenberg again and some of the background stuff we didn't originally see like how he poisoned Brock (?) at the school? etc.
  • Jeff Parrott
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    The shots in this show are amazing. I end up just paying attention to the composition and framing most of the time. So good.
  • Deathstick
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    blazed wrote: »

    It would be great to see towards the end of the series that the timeline connects with the Breaking bad one. So we can see what was happening on Saul's side and even get to see Heisenberg again and some of the background stuff we didn't originally see like how he poisoned Brock (?) at the school? etc.

    I think I heard somewhere that the series is supposed to have a bit of all three time periods in it. (Before breaking bad, possibly a bit during although I'm not sure, and definitely after)

    I'm sort of getting this feeling judging by how the first episode opened up on Saul with a mustache in hiding, aka when the poor guy got teary eyed watching his old commercials as Saul.
  • slipsius
    opening shot was a nod to breaking bad. in like the second to last episode, he told walt "this time tomorrow i`ll be in ____ working at a cinnobon".
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    slipsius wrote: »
    Though, I hope it does well. If it does, they are planning on doing the story of Gus next, which I think would be a fantastic watch.

    Wow, I hadn't heard about that. Gus' flashback episode in BB was one of my (many) favorites and I've always been curious to see more of his back story.

    I'm liking Better Call Saul so far and happy to be back in the BB universe. I love the motif created by the characters, location and cinematography. The writing is solid and they took some interesting turns I didn't expect. I also like all the small details that make the story cohesive.
    Like Chuck removing all metals and electronics when visiting Jimmy in jail the same way Jimmy has to when he visits Chuck in his home.

    The only negative part is the wait between episodes and I'm already dreading the wait between seasons.
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    jStins wrote: »
    Like Chuck removing all metals and electronics when visiting Jimmy in jail the same way Jimmy has to when he visits Chuck in his home.

    I somehow completely missed the similarity, very interesting.
    jStins wrote: »

    The only negative part is the wait between episodes and I'm already dreading the wait between seasons.


    I honestly started watching Better Call Saul with apprehension, as I was wondering how you could make Saul interesting, compared to Walter White, Gus and all those characters. But I gotta say I am hooked, especially episode 2 was really exciting and episode 3 is where you really see Saul slowly becoming the Saul we saw in BB. Can't wait for more.
  • blazed
    jStins wrote: »
    Like Chuck removing all metals and electronics when visiting Jimmy in jail the same way Jimmy has to when he visits Chuck in his home.

    Yeah I was going to say earlier: "attention to detail" check!

    Unless you watched the episode multiply times already then things become easier to spot... but that's just sad man! /joke
  • Deathstick
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    That first scene when the prosecutor doesn't say a word after Jimmy's big speech and just wheels in the television with the vcr tape, ha!
  • jStins
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    blazed wrote: »
    Yeah I was going to say earlier: "attention to detail" check!

    Unless you watched the episode multiply times already then things become easier to spot... but that's just sad man! /joke

    I watch every episode once in real time, once frame by frame, then in reverse slo mo video and audio. Don't want to miss anything! :nerd:
  • assblood
    jStins wrote: »
    I watch every episode once in real time, once frame by frame, then in reverse slo mo video and audio. Don't want to miss anything! :nerd:

    It's the only way to watch a good show these days :poly142:
  • BeardyDan
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    I caught up on Episodes 2 and 3 last night, I am really enjoying it. There's potential here for this to be better than Breaking Bad in my opinion, so long as they keep it grounded and don't do too much over the top stuff like
    blowing up a goddamn plane.

    Also,
    Vaas!
  • Fuiosg
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    Love how saturday, sunday, monday is black sails, walking dead, better call saul. Though Walking dead is admittedly far inferior to the other two.
  • blazed
    I really hope they show us how Hector Salamanca turned out to be the Joker's father.

    [ame]


    As a side note I actually thought the acting from that new joker was very good.
  • Shiniku
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    Oof - Gotham, don't know why I keep watching that mess, I think I must hate myself. That kid's not a bad actor but that whole scene was pretty cringe worthy. That show's been a huge disappointment for me. I'm glad some people are enjoying it though.

    But, I think Better Call Saul is shaping up really nicely, last few episodes have been pretty good. The whole bit with the
    billboard
    was pretty entertaining.
  • blazed
    Yeah I watch Gotham and Flash just to see the DC universe and the superheros, you expect there to be a lot of cheese.

    BCS still going strong but tonights episode slowed back down, waiting to see if vaas is going to follow up with that threat or not.

    He keeps smiling reminding me of his crazy character from far cry 3 lol.
  • Wesley
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    This is pretty cool. The pacing is nice and slow but the payoffs seem a tad minor and predictable? Fun though! Better most of the other shows on Netflix, at least.
  • Fuiosg
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    Interesting one last night, I thought it was a pivotal moment when that woman says 'you're the kind of lawyer who represents guilty people'. Of course ironic since that family is guilty.
  • blazed
    Fuiosg wrote: »
    Interesting one last night, I thought it was a pivotal moment when that woman says 'you're the kind of lawyer who represents guilty people'. Of course ironic since that family is guilty.

    Rich people are not guilty, they are just misunderstood.

    Hence why their sentences are always much more chillaxed. :poly142:

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  • IceWolve
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    If that is right, at least he now has 3 hots and a cot for 15 years... it's stupid how things are.
  • notman
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    Fuiosg wrote: »
    Interesting one last night, I thought it was a pivotal moment when that woman says 'you're the kind of lawyer who represents guilty people'. Of course ironic since that family is guilty.

    It's obvious the wife knows they are guilty, but she doesn't want to appear guilty, by hiring a lawyer that makes them appear guilty.

    I do find it funny, how she's clearly manipulated her husband, into embezzling all that cash, and was obviously trying the same lines on Saul. Saul obviously is not as naive as her husband, so he wasn't falling for it. He did, however, figure out a way to justify taking them money, for legal fees though (and the beginning of the Saul we know).

    On a side note, did anyone notice the letters, that appeared almost intentionally highlighted, on the sign above Saul, and that other guy from the bar, in the flashback. I tried figuring out if it said something, and I know Gilligan likes to hide hints/meanings in things.
  • notman
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    Here's the scene/sign I'm talking about:
    s01e04_11.jpg

    Maybe I'm looking where nothing exists though.
  • Fuiosg
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    notman wrote: »
    It's obvious the wife knows they are guilty, but she doesn't want to appear guilty, by hiring a lawyer that makes them appear guilty.

    It didn't occur to me that the woman could be orchestrating it, you could be right, but I thought she said that because the other firm HMM who was representing them gave them that idea about Saul.
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    Fuiosg wrote: »
    It didn't occur to me that the woman could be orchestrating it, you could be right, but I thought she said that because the other firm HMM who was representing them gave them that idea about Saul.

    It's completely possible that HMM is planting impressions of Saul on them, but she was the one who wouldn't let her husband sign with Saul, when they were in the restaurant... possibly before ever talking to HMM.

    I just listened to her try to justify him taking the money, because of unpaid overtime, and using the slavery analogy. Her husband kept following up with the 'yeah', and clearly lacked any balls. She's trying to justify half a million dollars, for a few extra hours of work. That's a hefty interest charge, on those hours ;)
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    notman wrote: »
    Here's the scene/sign I'm talking about:
    s01e04_11.jpg

    Maybe I'm looking where nothing exists though.

    Perhaps it's a reference to the Roman philosopher, lawyer and politician, Cicero. It's a little known fact that Cicero was a schemer, often ripping off the merchants of Rome in his early life. He was known as Cicero Sceleratus (criminal) before rising to prominence as a lawyer. The connection is pretty obvious really. :P

    I think it will be challenging to keep some viewers after Breaking Bad ended with such high intensity sequences. Vince Gilligan has such a good touch with montage and action sequences, But they just aren't framed by the same level consequence and violence as BB (yet?). Here we have a montage of Jimmy making phone calls, Breaking Bad had the infamous '8 minutes' sequence. The first scam with the skateboarders played out with great style and had good payoff, but it was no train robbery.

    The story has been good at highlighting what makes Jimmy unique and setting up future episodes. We all know where he ends up, but they've done a good job setting up the journey and it will be just as unpredictable as BB I think.

    edit re: Gotham... I liked Gotham after a few episodes when I realized it was just a cop procedural that had more room to play with it's comic book setting. Kind of like Dick Tracy. Love the lighting and set design.
  • notman
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    Actually, you know what's funny, I was focused on the letters that were lit up, and not the words. I thought some letters were darkened on purpose. I wasn't paying attention to the cicero part.
  • Shiniku
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    Yeah, I'd say for sure the Kettleman wife is the mastermind behind the stealing.

    I too am worried about viewers not being as interested in this. It's definitely not as exciting as the last few seasons of BB, but BB had a really slow buildup too, I wasn't even too into it until 3/4ths the way through season 1. Then again, being a prequel I don't think Better Call Saul will ever have the payoff Breaking Bad did.
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    notman wrote: »
    Actually, you know what's funny, I was focused on the letters that were lit up, and not the words. I thought some letters were darkened on purpose. I wasn't paying attention to the cicero part.

    Heh, yeah, I noticed that after I made my post. It's probably nothing, but when Jimmy is defending a criminal that stuffed a philosophy student in a freezer... We can high five for seeing it coming. ;)
  • blazed
    I thought the "sign" was just to the indicate the location, Cicero, Illinois where Jimmy McGill is from.

    In that very scene the guy he is scamming says "This town sucks, sorry bro I know it's yours and everything".

    The location for Jimmy's hometown was probably picked in reference/tribute to the Roman philosopher, lawyer and politician, Cicero.

    But Jimmy "defending a criminal that has stuffed a philosophy student in a freezer" is totally a legit conclusion :D
  • Deathstick
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    Oh my finally got to watch the last episode,
    Jimmy's plan with the guy falling from the sign was just pure con artist genius. I couldn't help but die of laughter when it turned out Jimmy had picked Hamilton's exit for the billboard ripoff, and how he somehow wore the same exact suit Hamilton was wearing each day. Loved the cinematography with his brother running out to get the newspaper in a paranoid fashion as well, and then the camera just cuts to the normal reality of the neighbor looking out the window as this madman dashes across the street in a space blanket like he was running through a nuclear fallout.

    Saul's life is turning out to be a lot more interesting than just the partnership he had with Walt. I'm really liking how it has the tone of season 1 and 2 of BB so far (which are my favorite seasons + season 3 to rewatch). Don't get me wrong, I loved all of BB, but damn the later seasons are sometimes too tense to rewatch for relaxation :D
  • blazed
    Damn what a kick in the nuts Jimmy got for doing the "right thing".

    Who does that!? Should have took off with the money lol.

    Really enjoyed todays episode we can see cooperation with Mike coming along nicely.

    That's what this series needs, more scams! and more bad guys like Tuco and more leg breaking, and generally messed up situations with great outcomes.
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    The shots in this show are amazing. I end up just paying attention to the composition and framing most of the time. So good.

    I'm the same!

    Last nights episode was so good, Can't wait to see more of Mike and Jimmy.

    @ Blazed I've been enjoying Gotham too, Cameron Monaghan did a great job potraying the Joker!
    Also I loved that scene with Tuco, Jimmy and those 2 guys.
  • Shiniku
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    Last episode was really good, glad to see more progress with Saul's story. BUT the episode that focused on Mike was amazing. Give Jonathan Banks an Emmy. That speech at the end was heartbreaking.
  • GrungyStudios
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    I bet the very last scene of the whole series will be when Saul first meets Jesse Pinkman
  • Deathstick
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    I'm still rooting for some post-BB clips/episodes, think pulp fiction's timeline.

    I also have seemed to developed a crush for Mrs. Kettleman... o_O
  • slipsius
    the very first scene of this series was post-BB.

    Also, they`ve already said there is gonna be some cross over, and we`ll be seeing the BB guys. some of it takes place during the same time frame. think they aid some will be before, during and after BB.

    but ya. this show is shaping up very nicely. better than i was expecting, truth be told!
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    Anyone notice Trevor (Steven Ogg) Phillips in this weeks episode?
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    Dazz3r wrote: »
    Anyone notice Trevor (Steven Ogg) Phillips in this weeks episode?
    /

    Holy shit is that the guy who does his voice? He reminded me of Trevor so much it was incredible lol
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    Yeah it was him, shame it wasnt a bigger role.
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    Wow, I'm surprised I didn't even catch that. Trevor's voice seems so familiar to me, that I thought I would have recognized it. Now I need to rewatch, to hear it... not to mention, that scene was amazing.
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