Thanks vig, yeah I found a working version of scene manager for 2008-9 somewhere, at least it was working last time i used it a month ago. Really I never thought I'd be back in 8, I'm not even sure if I've used 8 actually, I think I started on 9, lol. edit: bah now all I can find is outliner 1.61 which is 9.0+ anyone have…