Oh right, well then we understand each other. Also it's worth considering what the outline in Borderlands 2 looks like, a game that's refined this thing quite a bit by now: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/09/17/Borderlands2_2012-09-17_21-52-28-55.bmp That's nowhere as good as what ASW is doing.