Batman Beyond -WiP
Hi everyone, not sure if I've posted this here before or not, anyway i've been posting this around alot cause i would like to get alot of feedback on it, so i can make it as best as i can.
Please feel free to crit your ass off
Please feel free to crit your ass off
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edit : his head seems a tad too big compared to the whole body, no ?
that is bananas!
1- the feet are weirdly pointy and high heeled, they look like womens feet, also they look too short and thin (height of toes wise)
2- the materials/construction of the suit kind of bugs me too, it looks really cool, but it doesnt tell me what this dude is, doesnt look like a guy in a suit doesnt look like a robot, cyborg, not sure what he is, maybe a few more clues to how the suit is constructed would help it read, at the moment it feels a little like ALOT of style over function, but maybe you could have your cake and eat it if i could tell what/how this dude is
PixelMasher - thanks bud, wings coming very soon
BeatKitano - Thanks bud, personally i've never seen the anime version of batman beyond, not much of a anime fan, actually, to be honest i kinda hate anime :P but ya I'm gonna check out the anime version just outta curiousity. thanks for the comments.
P442 - Thanks for the comments, Ya i've toned down the red a tad so its not soo contrasty, looks much better
SHEPEIRO - Ya I've been getting alot of feedback on the feet, I'm actually in the process of changing them. Although at this point i can only push and pull stuff a bit too reshape it better. I cant really go back to the modeling stage, I could but I'd hate to have to re-UV, and re-bake all my maps, not too mention texture everything again. But ya most def the feet are gettin re-shaped
Really.. it doesnt look like a guy in a suit? any suggestions how i can improve that without re-modeling anything, maybe something texture wise?. later on I'm gonna be doing a head variation with his mask off, that might help a little, but only when his mask is off :P ha. I really like your critique because it's making me start to think that too
t4paN - yup the feet are gettin re-shaped... as for the suit, idk either, it's just my interpretation of batman beyond, thats all. Maybe i went a lil too far with it in terms of believeability, but i just wanted to make it look interesting thats all.
Awesome job with the lips and nose -- it is so hard to find a good work around for that area. I still have no idea if it was meant to be part of his mask or not but you pulled it off quite nicely. Congratulations!
I think this is mainly due to the face. Why would the suit go over his lips like that? How would that even work realistically? You could either have an opening there, which would show the real mouth, tho that would make it a weak point in the armour. You could also make the mouth/nose area more mask like, not quite full on gasmask, but I think you know what I mean.
Same would apply to the eyes in a lesser extent, as in if you would gogglyfy them more it would look more like guy in suit.
I agree with everyone on the feet.
As far as the comments on the suit... bah... i'm on the fence. There's two sides to this. One is the comic side of me, the other is the world functionality.
The comic side of me says that it's like yelling at Peter Parker and asking him why his suit doesn't look like you can pull the hood off, but you see him do it all the time... where's your zippers at Pete!?! Can't see 'em! I don't know how you got in that thing!
Catch my drift?
As far as how it reads to the viewer... I knew straight away this was batman beyond. Really depends on which audience you are trying to appeal to. Diehard fans, or bringing in newcomers that don't know anything, and that is when you need to make it read from every single possible questionable angle in terms of stylization vs functionality in the real world.
In the end is up to you, but I don't think there would be too much work to it if you could add in a few elements to tie those two methods of thought together. If you're just making this for your portfolio, then it would benefit you to make those mesh together. Showing that you can mix the two ideas well will help this piece a lot IMO.
There's so many great points on this guy! The back is really sweet and the overall variation of different suit textures is great. Looking forward to the wings!
r4ptur3 - Thanks, ya I'm fixing the ears, they wont have the meshy look on them.
ptoing - Thanks for the comments. Ya I'm gonna try and make the facial area a bit more realistic in terms of it being a mask. But i'll have to do it by texturing, i can maybe add small things, cause i got a bit of UV space here and there, but i cant add anything really large. Might take u up on your google eyes idea and elaborate that area a bit more. because it is a strong focal point.
Dekard - lol ya Terrys a pretty thin build in the show. I figure the suit isnt one piece, he puts it on in pieces. There are breaking points where the suit can come apart, I just didnt really emphasize those areas too much, maybe i shoulda.
Firebert - Thanks. ya i read u loud and clear, guess it does depend on whos looking at it. Also yes I'm going to try and mesh some elements together better, not sure how I'm going to do that. I would really like to hear if you have any suggestions of what i could add, or fix that would help him seem more functional.
One thing I noticed is the red line that meets with the shoulder and the chest isn't lining up spot on. Personally, I think the face is kick ass. The design you put on the mask is just a great bake that adds some super character. You took an extremely basic design of a black suit and a red crest and totally took it to another level. How are you attaching the wings? Are they attaching to the silver pieces on the back? The more I look at this guy, the more awesome he becomes.
Firebert - Ya I've added the belt, it was always my intention to have the belt it's def an important feature, I've put it on its own UV map, I'll have an update tommorrow night with the belt on and hopefully the wings will be done by then as well. Thanks again for the nice comments. Oh and ya the wings will be attaching to those circle thingys on his shoulder blades
JohnnyRaptor - Ya his feet have been updated, gonna upload new shots soon. thanks for the comments
BUSYROBOT, vj_box, stimpack - thanks guys, appreciate the nice comments.
I uploaded basically because i wanted to get some feedback on these wings before i go any further, that way if i get some bad reviews i can change it no problem. At first i kinda didnt like them cause they looked a lil old fashioned lookin, but now that i have a little color on them i'm starting to like them more. I have NOT started texturing them, just threw quick color on it, same goes for the belt, so there texture is def gonna be re-worked alot more. Also the pod things on his Shoulder blades r gonna be a bit bigger so that when the wings collaspe into the pods it's a lil more believeable. The wings look a lil funny right now too, but I'm sure once i pose him appropriately it'll look better.
I havent done much in terms of texturing the body, I removed all the lgiht colored black parts mainly because it was starting to look like the George Clooney batman in Batman and Robin, and I def dont want that look, so I'm going back to the drawing board and gonna think of something else to vary the suit more. I darkened the red lines, and only brightened some minor areas that might be lit up. If anyone has any ideas of how to vary up the suit texture, i'd like to hear
Also i took up alot of peoples crits on the boots and re-shaped them, I think they look better, hopefully people agree
and heres the pose i want to do
Also very small
I think a retractable wing suit would be much cooler than the micro wings. Something that runs from the side of his knees up, then out from his hands. Much like a real bat. Maybe even something like you have for the little wings coming from his fingers to give him more wing size. You could even run an extended ridge on the top of the fingers to show where they would be coming from.
a agree about the wings -- the shape works well, but the design feels a little out of place. I like how they mimic bat wings, but they do not feel sturdy enough to stabilize flight.
I threw your Batman up as my desktop wallpaper at work and everyone who has walked by loves it. Keep it up!
Best Batman Model I've seen so far (all designs included).
Simply top notch - love it!
Can't wait to see the update.
Atilla
something like this http://www.gpsdrawing.com/gallery/contributions/poxon/images/poxon.jpg could work for the wings, but they varied a bit in the series depending on what was needed
when you finish it, i hope you drop him in to a screenshot from the arkham game and see how many people think it's an unlockable costume
and thanks to everyone else, i've had lots of great comments and crits and i appreciate it alot. cheers to all
Overall some really sweet stuff. Keep up the great work.
Kincade - I dunno about having black outside/red inside wings. Seems like that would be a little too Dracula.
though perfect design, i love it.
very sharp and smooth work
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saved! O.o
Not that it matters to me XD
Looks grand mate.
-Woog