Oldschool thread
polycounter lvl 17
After looking at the LP thread I figured this might be a good idea.
rules:
Maximum spec
2k tris
512 x 512 texture space (total)
No normal maps
Basicly the type of models found in older games, Q3, KOTOR, NWN etc etc.
Also, if you have SDKs that meet the spec limit then feel free to pimp em here too. Just be sure to post the link to the SDK in question so anyone else interested can give it a go.
Knock yourselves out :thumbup:
rules:
Maximum spec
2k tris
512 x 512 texture space (total)
No normal maps
Basicly the type of models found in older games, Q3, KOTOR, NWN etc etc.
Also, if you have SDKs that meet the spec limit then feel free to pimp em here too. Just be sure to post the link to the SDK in question so anyone else interested can give it a go.
Knock yourselves out :thumbup:
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i was JUST about to post this thread in a few hours if you hadnt as im working on a texture here lol. Good that a veteran polycounter did it tho XD
ok guys so here it is! Have only worked on the arms,torso armour and the shoulder pads.
SDK is by fellow polycounter cholden (chris holden). I really dont want to bitch and all, by i was really surprised to see that the model was around 2k tris
Oh and Butt, post a link to the SDK.
he's also in the OA sdk pack too
But yeah thanks for the info mop, i was wondering what the count should have been- wanan try making these meself!
I got it from the sdk thread here on PC
http://boards.polycount.net/showthread.php?t=38292&page=2 (post#35)
As some of you may know, its my first whole body sdk :P yeah i know everyone hates it when someone says that its their first anything, but i've spent over 20 total man hours into this guy lol. 20 more to go i guess
i think this thread should be sticky'd and probably renamed to something liek ">500 <2000" sounds kinda kinky
also working on my ferox model on and off
Pirate Wench for a NWN Module, just before I hacked her up to meet the "pieces&parts" specs of NWN
... and after, ugh. I'm still trying to get it all aligned properly so I can actually use it in the game, but I will eventually have it all worked out... I hope...
And a CS Hostage model, yes, some of my friends still play CS! The texture, as seems usual with me, is still WIP as well. I may post the second hostage I'm working on when I decide which of the other three designs I'm going to go with :S
-DK >^..^<
I really like ur CS hostage babe!!,no terrorist will shoot this chick:)
Vj
@ DeathKitten, you'll be able to see your texture much better if you set the material to full self illumination. You can do that in Milkshape by setting the emissive color to white (it's black by default).
A little screencap of my soldier models I was doing for texture practice. Dunno if I will ever finish them though....
I think I need to move on to a new project now, this one has lost its mojo.
[edit] both weigh in at about 1k tris each, lil less for him, lil more for her. 256x256 diffuse.
His name is Cendah, from the Knightman video games.
Ivy by Demon Princess Thread here- http://boards.polycount.net/showthread.php?t=57354
Thanks kindly DemonPrincess! It's definitely easier to see the textures now... even if it is burning my eyes out
vj_box: Thanks! That is what I'm trying for, if we wanted to play deathmatch then we'd load a de map
Slum: Yeeesssss, that would be MilkShape I'm using... but I swear it's only for the HL export and compile tools! Would you shudder if I told you I'm using PSP aswell? hehehe
I do have XSI though and am working on a much higher poly project with a friend of mine, so expect a pimp sometime soon
... now, as I'm still debating on which other hostage to go ahead with, maybe you guys/gals can help me choose!
The sultry redhead:
The buxom dark chicky:
The blonde PlayBoy bunny:
The goth/punky Asian chick:
... or should I go back to the drawing board? :$
-DK >^..^<
yeah yeah, need to learn PS....
Deatkitten:
Everything looks awesome.
Just wondering....can CS (im assuming its counter-strike) handle that much tris?
Ok so im done!
Spent a total of around 25 man hours on this guy. Funny thing is, it took up as much time as the texturing of my other characters combined!
Oh btw chris, i hope i did your model justice!
Also... i wish i could come kick your ass in refernce to than hand unwrap haha
Can anyone please help me out with the Ferox's breast area? demonprincess/xaltar/slum :poly124:
Got tons of help from shotgun, so here's where i'm at now:
Thanks! `\(^_^)/`
Yeah sure why not!
post some nice screenies when your done!
oh and btw indecom, those highlights, even thoughj i think its too early in the game....
Her breasts look pretty much fine to me actually. The only thing I would change is making the cloth stretch between her breasts a bit more.
I think what's really throwing things off though is how the breasts flow into the shoulders, and also the general placement of the shoulders.
As for the texture, I would tone down on some of the muscle definition. Also, you have some large glaringly white areas. I would darken these areas and only use the white for smaller highlights.
Also, you have some extreme muscle definition on the cloth areas. Even the tightest spandex on the biggest bodybuilder won't show much muscle definition at all. Instead, you'll only see softer curves and, ofcourse, folds.
Furthermore, you can see some black showing along the middle face seam, so you'll need to paint the face a little further over the edge of your UV. I also think the mouth area is quite unclear, I would try to clean that up a little.
Lastly, the lines painted on her body seem to wobble and skew a bit. You may be able to get better results by straightening out the UVs in these areas. Ideally, if you paint a straight line across a limb on the texture, it comes out straight across the limb on the model as well.
Here's my suggestions in the form of a paint-over anim:
EDIT:
I'm calling him finished! Time to make his sword and accessories!
EDIT: BRIGHTER!
I have to take a bit of issue with the title of this thread and your examples of 'old school' games. No, I'm not going to say Doom 2 is old school. Your examples leave you with a a rather wide spectrum here. Quake 3 models were generally around 800 tris, and NWN was somewhat the same, as far as I know, if only due to NWN having terrible segmented player models (it's a bad example of what you should be aiming for), so KOTOR definitely doesn't fit in here. Not only was it released a good four or so years after Q3, but it has significantly more detailed models than the previous two titles.
So if you're going for old school and your idea is Q3/NWN, your limit ought to be roughly 1000, not 2000. Granted, there were models that went well over the average (Dragon Rider is a good example we were talking about in #md), but those were not really all that good for playing with. They often slowed the game down quite a bit and weren't used all that much for actual play.
In addition to this, texture sizes were definitely not at 512x512 for Q3 until quite a while after it was released and I highly doubt they were 512 for Neverwinter either, again given that the player models were fairly low detail. I'd guess that KOTOR is the only one using 512x512 textures for characters, and possibly multiple 512x512 textures.
So, the only thing I'd suggest is you pin down your era, 'cause you've got a good gap in time there, and your rules certainly aren't fitting the two less-detailed games you mention.
Rambling concluded, GOOD DAY SIR.
Seriously, I do not know this is as long as it is.
Edit: I forgot to mention, you got some nice texturing going there, Indecom. Only thing I'd think about is changing the back apron thinger whatever it is. Looks odd due to the mirroring. Also, you should use a different texture overlay for the cloth. It looks like stone at the moment.
Noel, I see what you are saying but those were just examples of what types of games conform to the idea of the thread, maybe I should have said pre "nexgen" ie. No normal maps and advanced shaders etc. Good old diffuse only texture work where the texture carried the piece. I deliberately set the limits a little on the high side seeing as a lot of the greener artists find it hard to make this kind of stuff under around 2k tris and I wanted the thread to be open to anyone.
I intended this to be kinda like the next step from the lp thread.
All kidding aside, what would you suggest as a good title for a thread with semi-low specs like these?
DP: "Average thread"? Not to say the work is bad, but these are all normal models within normal limits. Normal maps might be common today, but there are still a lot of limited systems out there that can't do them, and as such this is still very much regular work.
All I wanted was to make a thread that will accomodate the the work that keeps getting posted in the LP thread but does not meet the spec restrictions there. You will notice that there have been comments on the number of polys in Cholden's SDK, if someone posts a model that has more polys than it needs they will always be called up for it, this is polycount afterall.
Note, I said maximum spec NOT "model according to these limits". In other words, anything less than 2k tris and a 512 sheet is acceptable in the thread, how well you use your polys and sheet is still going to face criticisim if its a poorly constructed model with bad UVs. If an artist can't set themselves realistic and challenging limits then they really have no business posting on these boards. This is a place to showcase semi LP work and get feedback on it, nothing more. I noticed that threads started with this sort of spec work tend not to get to many replies, this way people can post it all in one thread rather than spamming new threads everywhere and possibly learn a little looking at the rest of the models posted within the same sort of specs they have used.
omg, wall of text.....
[edit] I would rename the thread but I have no way to do so. Maybe something like "low spec work" seeing as it is low for current gen games.
BTW I will post some of my psp'ish texture work here :]
omg not that debate again!
Indecom:
Man that is great lighting.
cholden:
I am aware that you can change the sdk in whatever way
it was all in good humor.
thanks again
DP:
I am i your debt. Thank you very much for the paintover. I definitely see why you did those changes.
About the texture changes,I must have been lost in the principle ive engraved in my mind that "put contrast in the texture, have crisp detail,etc"
About the proportions, i have changed them as you suggested and i think it looks loads better!
Thanks again! You are definitely one of the most helpful people around here!
So, now that im fully satisfied with this project, here is the last image you will see of her
And diff. shots and flats here for people interested
AND also, i think i deserve to show a bigger image of my marine X)
kthnkzbai
Get 'er
my crappy skin attempt (256x256, it's for a strict 8bit color palette)
She is for Haktoria and not openarena so I get to get away with nudity
OA sdks
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