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Ruz
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why do most modern games have checkpoint systems or complete a mission then autosave. is it just easier to code or something?
I am none to keen myself. Making me do a really long tedious bit over and over again just annoys me
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  • Lee3dee
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    its easier in the code to load that stored data where the player was. If it helps me not have to save myself, I'm all for it smile.gif
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  • Ruz
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    oh right , so its down to lazy programming then smile.gif
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  • JordanW
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    Not necessarily. A quick saving system can be abused ( saving every few minutes) whereas in a checkpoint system the developer chooses when you should be able to save.
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  • blankslatejoe
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    yup--i for one have become spoiled by quicksaving--it allows you to babystep till you get everything right. Though---autosave/checkpoints can penalize you if you happen to have done a crappy job with a zone and want to go back and try again--usually its a hassle to go back and try a section again.
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  • Joshua Stubbles
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    I like quicksaving. Best method ever smile.gif

    But like Lee said, it's easier to load only those smaller blocks of data.
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  • rooster
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    thats up to the player surely. if people want to 'cheat' then let them I say, I don't think developers should force people to play in the way they think is 'right'. it pisses me off too ruz, especially if I want to shut the computer/console off but I'm not near a checkpoint.

    at least make them close together if you have to use them, and *before and *right after the goddamn bossfight. (and after the friggin cutscene)
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  • Illusions
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    I hated that on Gears. Ok, I died fighting the Corpser...time to watch the cinematic...again...for the fourth time.
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  • Joshua Stubbles
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    [ QUOTE ]
    I hated that on Gears. Ok, I died fighting the Corpser...time to watch the cinematic...again...for the fourth time.

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    OMG I hated that as well. I remember Ror giving an explanation for it. Something about caching or loading the data, and not being able to skip it. Bah! It was terrible sitting through it.
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  • Mister Sentient
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    I think that traditionally on console plaforms it has simply been a necessity due to storage limitations.
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  • bounchfx
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    why do most modern games have checkpoint systems or complete a mission then auto save. is it just easier to code or something?
    I am none to keen myself. Making me do a really long tedious bit over and over again just annoys me

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    um, as far as I can tell it's to prevent having to do an even longer tedious bit over and over again.. would you rather start the level from the beginning and do the whole 1-2 hour thing every time you die? or would you rather start at the halfway / 3/4th part and not have to do the entire thing?

    my only gripe is when they checkpoint before long cut scenes.. this wouldn't be a problem if they were skipable.
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  • Emil Mujanovic
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    [ QUOTE ]
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    I hated that on Gears. Ok, I died fighting the Corpser...time to watch the cinematic...again...for the fourth time.

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    OMG I hated that as well. I remember Ror giving an explanation for it. Something about caching or loading the data, and not being able to skip it. Bah! It was terrible sitting through it.

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    The checkpoint system was really annoying in Gears, but I obviously missed Ror's explanation.

    I find checkpoints (when done right) to be great because it gets rid of the whole save before a major section and re-do it until you've done it right. If you don't do it right the first time, then I guess being punished for it is only fair enough.
    Sure it's annoying if you need to ditch the console before you hit a checkpoint, but its the sacrifice you have to make.

    Though I liked the quicksave/quickload in the May Payne a fair bit because I'd usually quicksave before I went into a room, throw on bullet time, and try take out every dude with a single leap. Then quickload the section if I screwed up and would try it all again.

    -caseyjones
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  • Steve Schulze
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    Couldn't you skip the cutscenes in Gears by holding down a bunch of buttons at once? Or was that something else...
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  • Ruz
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    well i think it should be up to the gamer. seems more and more some devs want to force us to do it their way even if we don't like it.
    I personally would love to play a game that only has a couple of cut scenes and quicksave. i don't like t feel that I am in an interactive movie
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  • Emil Mujanovic
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    [ QUOTE ]
    Couldn't you skip the cutscenes in Gears by holding down a bunch of buttons at once? Or was that something else...

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    I can't remember exactly, but I don't think so. Unless I'm not mashing the right buttons :P

    -caseyjones
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  • Ghostscape
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    I honestly can't stand saving my game - automatic checkpoints let me as a player coast along without constantly saving every 5 minutes. Saving the game is one small break in the flow of the game and I find it detracts from the gameplay experience.
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  • fmnoor
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    If I remember correctly, Call of Duty 2 did automatic quicksaves, so if it saved and a grenade was chucked at you at the same time, you'd pretty much be dead after each load.

    That got hella annoying fast.
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