Medieval Interior

Mellon3D · Feb 2013

Hello guys!
Today I have start working on my new project and decided to post it on polycount.
It`s small room in medieval style, trying to make it best as i can, so i need your help guys)
Any feedback, suggestion, or simple comment are very welcome
In this stage I work on style and overall look of the scene.
When i will happy with style of all the pieces i am going to bake and start texturing it

MisterSande · Feb 2013

looking great so far, how did you modeled those arches ?

Mellon3D · Feb 2013

Thanks)
About arches it`s easy) They made from spline

Mellon3D · Feb 2013

Small Up!

aaronmwolford · Feb 2013

It's looking pretty good so far. Those arches stood out too me first. Something is a bit off. I googled some references.

http://depositphotos.com/8641305/stock-photo-Medieval-arches.html

You can see on this photo they are more dramatic and have length to them and a wider arch. Right now your scene looks really crammed in and a small room. This may be your intention, however just stating my thoughts.

Nice lighting and keep it up!

Mellon3D · Feb 2013

Yeah I see your point, thanks) And agree with you.
I am trying to find balance between dramatic looking interior and small room

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

Okay it's been awhile since last update
Here LARGE update
Any feedback are very welcomed!)

DWalker · Mar 2013

The groin arches are far too smooth. They are basically the intersection of two cylinders, with sharp corners where the cylinders meet.

Cordero · Mar 2013

I like that brick wall, it looks really good!
overall I think your texture work could use some more color variations, and maybe different materials other than stone.. I mean maybe some dust on the wall, or water leaks on the topside, or some grass at the bottom or something to break up the big once color places

other than that I think this stuff is really nice

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

DWalker wrote: »

The groin arches are far too smooth. They are basically the intersection of two cylinders, with sharp corners where the cylinders meet.

Good advice, thank you, just noticed this issue

Cordero
Thanks) working on this right now

Johan3043 · Mar 2013

Wow that brick wall looks really good! Mind sharing your workflow on it?

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

Hot fix)

Johan3043 wrote: »

Wow that brick wall looks really good! Mind sharing your workflow on it?

Yeah definitely I will do that after finishing this scene
It's not that hard) just Zbrush basically

sybrix · Mar 2013

Saw this on the WAYWO thread and I really dig it. Just wanted to say that I feel like there should be some focal point at the end of the hallway. Maybe a medieval shield with a family crest on it, or a door, or just something of interest there.

J0NNYquid · Mar 2013

The material definition is great on the bricks. Although now that I look at it, the ceiling is still standing out for me. I looks off, I think Dwalker had it right, and as you look down the length of the hall you're getting some weird shadows as a result.

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

sybrix wrote: »

Saw this on the WAYWO thread and I really dig it. Just wanted to say that I feel like there should be some focal point at the end of the hallway. Maybe a medieval shield with a family crest on it, or a door, or just something of interest there.

Thanks for comment and about some focal point, yeah i think of it, definitely add something like shield or so

J0NNYquid wrote: »

The material definition is great on the bricks. Although now that I look at it, the ceiling is still standing out for me. I looks off, I think Dwalker had it right, and as you look down the length of the hall you're getting some weird shadows as a result.

Thanks) About weird shadows, any suggestion how to fix it?

J0NNYquid · Mar 2013

Sorry, I probably wasn't as clear as I should have been. I don't mean weird shadows as in you're getting a lighting error, or some other technical problem, I'm saying the lighting you're getting from the arches is weird, and looks off to me. It could be the way in which you modeled them, someone above posted a shot of how the arches would intersect normally. I'd give that a look and see if there's anything you could do to change it.

Overall it's a very strong scene, your lack of focal point is the only major thing bringing it down in my opinion, the lighting thing may be just me, so don't take it too personally.

DWalker · Mar 2013

I believe Jonny is referring to the seam between columns - it's apparent between each horizontal pair, but most obvious in the columns between the two torches.

It looks like the normals aren't quite lining up on the adjacent faces along the seam. The two most likely culprits are vertices which haven't been welded after the modules were attached or different smoothing groups on the adjacent faces.

The position of the lights seems a bit off - they should be slightly above the torches, and the body of the torch itself should occlude the area directly below. Also, if you're going to animate the hallway, remember that the light from flames flicker, with both intensity and position varying over time. You can even tie this into the particle system for the flames, emitting more or larger particles when the light flares.

Also remember that in addition to heat and light, fire produces smoke. In addition to adding smoke to the particle system, add soot to the walls behind and above the torches.

The picture is more extreme than you'll want, but the roughly teardrop fading from deep black to transparent should give you a general idea.

Chase · Mar 2013

For the brick texture did you sculpt a few bricks and bake to a plane? If youre using udk would you mind posting the shader? Looks good!

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

J0NNYquid wrote: »

Sorry, I probably wasn't as clear as I should have been. I don't mean weird shadows as in you're getting a lighting error, or some other technical problem, I'm saying the lighting you're getting from the arches is weird, and looks off to me. It could be the way in which you modeled them, someone above posted a shot of how the arches would intersect normally. I'd give that a look and see if there's anything you could do to change it.

Overall it's a very strong scene, your lack of focal point is the only major thing bringing it down in my opinion, the lighting thing may be just me, so don't take it too personally.

Okay probobly now i get it) You talking about this seams as DWalker says

DWalker wrote: »

I believe Jonny is referring to the seam between columns - it's apparent between each horizontal pair, but most obvious in the columns between the two torches.

It looks like the normals aren't quite lining up on the adjacent faces along the seam. The two most likely culprits are vertices which haven't been welded after the modules were attached or different smoothing groups on the adjacent faces.

The position of the lights seems a bit off - they should be slightly above the torches, and the body of the torch itself should occlude the area directly below. Also, if you're going to animate the hallway, remember that the light from flames flicker, with both intensity and position varying over time. You can even tie this into the particle system for the flames, emitting more or larger particles when the light flares.

Also remember that in addition to heat and light, fire produces smoke. In addition to adding smoke to the particle system, add soot to the walls behind and above the torches.

The picture is more extreme than you'll want, but the roughly teardrop fading from deep black to transparent should give you a general idea.

Yeah i have in my plans to animate it in the future. You provide a very good feedback, thanks a lot) I am going to fix all you said here guys. Thanks for helping me improve my scene

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

Chase wrote: »

For the brick texture did you sculpt a few bricks and bake to a plane? If youre using udk would you mind posting the shader? Looks good!

Yeah about bricks, i made 6 single bricks and than build a wall with it
After that i bake all this geometry to plane
About bricks material(It`s vertex blend material between bricks and concrete)
Here some screens that i think may help
It`s a whole shader

Gloss

Spec

Chase · Mar 2013

Thanks. Whatre you putting into the alpha channel with the vertex color for each map?

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

I blend vertex color with invert version of my height map, this allows me to blend concrete between bricks

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

Small update
Tweak the lighting a bit and add somethink like water on floor
Also add tessellation to the wall

whw · Mar 2013

The addition of the displacement makes a difference though I'm seeing some shearing on one of the lower bricks. Guess a clean-up of the displacement map is needed?

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

whw wrote: »

The addition of the displacement makes a difference though I'm seeing some shearing on one of the lower bricks. Guess a clean-up of the displacement map is needed?

It`s not a height map issue, just not enought tris in this area I am trying to increase tessellation factor but it does not help a lot, because of small details. Don`t know how to get rid of this

DWalker · Mar 2013

The water is a nice addition, but it does seem too pure for a dungeon. Try adding a brownish semi-transparent texture, You can also increase the transparency near the edges to give a feeling of increasing depth towards the center.

The edges also seem fairly regular, although that might just be an optical illusion. There are some very nice puddle tutorials out there (e.g. http://www.blenderguru.com/how-to-make-puddles/, http://www.dmmultimedia.com/3dtips_05.htm). Note the water's tendency to flow further from the center along cracks in the floor.

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

DWalker wrote: »

The water is a nice addition, but it does seem too pure for a dungeon. Try adding a brownish semi-transparent texture, You can also increase the transparency near the edges to give a feeling of increasing depth towards the center.

The edges also seem fairly regular, although that might just be an optical illusion. There are some very nice puddle tutorials out there (e.g. http://www.blenderguru.com/how-to-make-puddles/, http://www.dmmultimedia.com/3dtips_05.htm). Note the water's tendency to flow further from the center along cracks in the floor.

These a very nice examples!
Unfortunately I don`t have much experience in shaders creation, but i definitely try to implement this into my shader

dissonance · Mar 2013

I'm not sure what you were planning on adding to the end of the hall, but would some candles work? Perhaps a little shrine instead of the torch on the wall.

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

dissonance wrote: »

I'm not sure what you were planning on adding to the end of the hall, but would some candles work? Perhaps a little shrine instead of the torch on the wall.

Hmm...it`s might be a good idea, i shoud do some tests

DWalker · Mar 2013

The puddle examples can really work with any material system - they use textures to indicate the diffuse, specular, and reflection for the water.

aaronmwolford · Mar 2013

This is looking great. My only critique is the lack of story going on. You could definitely benefit from, as stated in a prior response, family crests or barrels, etc. Something to break up the sweet textures you have going on currently. Keep it up!

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

aaronmwolford wrote: »

This is looking great. My only critique is the lack of story going on. You could definitely benefit from, as stated in a prior response, family crests or barrels, etc. Something to break up the sweet textures you have going on currently. Keep it up!

Thanks) Work on it

lildragn · Mar 2013

Really dig this, reminds me so much of Grimrock which I love

Keep going.

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

lildragn wrote: »

Really dig this, reminds me so much of Grimrock which I love Keep going.

Thanks for comment)

foredea · Mar 2013

nice work. I love your displacement map. It works very well!

AuntieJamima · Mar 2013

Mellon3d Great work! Any chance we can get some wireframes? Im wondering how many polygons are in the columns.

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

AuntieJamima wrote: »

Mellon3d Great work! Any chance we can get some wireframes? Im wondering how many polygons are in the columns.

Just ordinary geometry, not so special

foredea wrote: »

nice work. I love your displacement map. It works very well!

Thanks

EMC3D · Mar 2013

Very solid so far! Let's get some props in there! Barrels, cages, jails, sacks anything to make it a little more lived in, keep it up

Brygelsmack · Mar 2013

What is that white layer you got ontop of the bricks? I understand it's vertex painted and I guess it's plaster or something, I'm just curious if that happens irl. Seen a few medieval scenes doing this and I'm in the process of doing it myself for my own scene, but question is, would plaster actually behave like that or was it a common way to construct walls during that time? Just smear plaster randomly all over the wall?

Mellon3D · Mar 2013

Brygelsmack wrote: »

What is that white layer you got ontop of the bricks? I understand it's vertex painted and I guess it's plaster or something, I'm just curious if that happens irl. Seen a few medieval scenes doing this and I'm in the process of doing it myself for my own scene, but question is, would plaster actually behave like that or was it a common way to construct walls during that time? Just smear plaster randomly all over the wall?

It`s just my decision, I don`t know much about walls in medieval times
And it's complicated to find a good references

Mellon3D · Apr 2013

Hi guys!
It was a month without any updates, I have a lot of work((
Here a new screen, added some candles to the scene

Beard3D Bandit · Jul 2016

If you dont mind me asking about the dimensions of the floor. looks like 2mX2m floor pieces, each with 9 tiles on? Would I be wrong guessing that?

Medieval Interior

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