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How many polygons should a "game-ready" assets have?

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What can be considered as a "game-ready" asset when it comes to polycount?
I know it all depends on the asset, but I want to know what you guys/girls mean about this.

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  • SnowInChina
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    SnowInChina greentooth
    whats meant by this is

    whats your target platform ? (mobile ? console ? pc ? if pc, whats the lowest spec you want it to run?)
    how important is the asset ? will you ever see it close up, or is it a background object ?
    how many assets are on screen at the same time ? etc..
  • Aasmund1986
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    Aasmund1986 polycounter lvl 5
    This is a weapon (WWII flamethrower) for a zombie-game for PC. So yes, you will get a close up view with particleinformation attached to the weapon. Were aiming to something like DayZ, using UnrealEngine.
  • SnowInChina
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    SnowInChina greentooth
    this is what i found as first google result

    "Weapon models in ArmA 2 have up to 8k polies, Characters up to 10k, and vehicles up to 20k."
  • Mant1k0re
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    Mant1k0re polycounter lvl 4
    I'm sure plenty of people will contradict me but developping for PC in 2015 you really needn't worry too much about your polycount... You could use 10, 20 or 60,000 and it wouldn't make any noticeable difference performance wise unless you used large textures and/or a very complex shader.

    The more I learn about this craft the more I think this obsession for vertex count has become all but baseless. I worry a lot more about drawcalls these days...
  • AdvisableRobin
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    AdvisableRobin polycounter lvl 7
    I believe Far Cry 4 uses upwards of 20k for the first person weapon model. I think Nathan Drake is around 120k poly's for the upcoming Uncharted.

    Mant1k0re is pretty much on the money. Don't sacrifice the quality of the asset because you think a few thousand poly's will make or break the game. Just model smart.
  • Aasmund1986
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    Aasmund1986 polycounter lvl 5
    Thanks for the info. I heard from a developer that around 15000 polygons is normal.
    EDIT: Yes AdvisableRobin, Im trying to figure out where to add division or insert loops. Also
    where the parts of the model is going to be and what function it has.
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  • Ashaman73
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    Ashaman73 polycounter lvl 6
    Mant1k0re wrote: »
    I worry a lot more about drawcalls these days...
    These worries will most likely vanish the next few years with DX12/Mantle/Vulkan APIs at our doors. Once the draw-call bottleneck is gone, other bottlenecks could evolve and it would be a wise idea to not stretch your goals on a last-gen bottleneck.
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  • AdvisableRobin
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    AdvisableRobin polycounter lvl 7
    @marks I just about spit coffee all over my coworker reading that.
  • EarthQuake
  • Obscura
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    Obscura grand marshal polycounter
  • Lamont
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    Lamont polycounter lvl 12
    Obscura wrote: »
    XD
    NaN!! Stop derailing the thread.

    You may all continue with absurdly low polycounts so I may laugh.
  • Mant1k0re
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    Mant1k0re polycounter lvl 4
    Ashaman73 wrote: »
    These worries will most likely vanish the next few years with DX12/Mantle/Vulkan APIs at our doors. Once the draw-call bottleneck is gone, other bottlenecks could evolve and it would be a wise idea to not stretch your goals on a last-gen bottleneck.

    Don't think polygon count will become a problem again though...

    It's a major concern of mine because I develop for VR and as you may know normal maps and other texture tricks do not work very well with this new medium, so your details should generally be modeled and not faked. That takes a lot of polygons.
  • Ashaman73
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    Ashaman73 polycounter lvl 6
    Mant1k0re wrote: »
    Don't think polygon count will become a problem again though...

    It's a major concern of mine because I develop for VR and as you may know normal maps and other texture tricks do not work very well with this new medium, so your details should generally be modeled and not faked. That takes a lot of polygons.
    Just wanted to say, that the number of polys per model will increase with more powerful GPUs (maybe auto-tesselation), but new APIs will shift the bottleneck focus from number of drawcalls to ?, maybe number of polys, maybe bandwidth, we will see.

    Nevertheless, take a look at the GDC 2015 presentation from Valve (Vlachos, Alex, Advanced VR Rendering V2). He talked about the fate of normal maps in VR and it doesn't look to be doomed yet :), but yes, more distinctive details will most likely be modelled instead of being baked.
  • kunalht
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    kunalht polycounter lvl 2
    so how to get a rough idea about poly counts for various devices?
    For example if I want to make a car game, how many polys should the car have for 1) Mobile 2) PC?
  • Visceral
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    12

    You promised me the perfect model poly count but all i got is a box?
  • Scizz
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    Scizz polycounter lvl 10
    I would say approximately 2475 polys per asset. :D

    All jokes aside, I had this same dilemma; always worrying about polycount. Obviously you have to concern yourself with it, but don't let it hinder you or derail you from making a great asset. I soon realized its shaders and textures that do the most damage.
  • LMP
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    Enough Polys to get the amount of detail that you want, but not so much that it negatively impacts performance, and certainly not more than necessary. They've got to be doing something useful.
  • Mant1k0re
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    Mant1k0re polycounter lvl 4
    Ashaman73 wrote: »
    Just wanted to say, that the number of polys per model will increase with more powerful GPUs (maybe auto-tesselation), but new APIs will shift the bottleneck focus from number of drawcalls to ?, maybe number of polys, maybe bandwidth, we will see.

    Nevertheless, take a look at the GDC 2015 presentation from Valve (Vlachos, Alex, Advanced VR Rendering V2). He talked about the fate of normal maps in VR and it doesn't look to be doomed yet :), but yes, more distinctive details will most likely be modelled instead of being baked.

    Yeah, I'd seen it, though tbh it's way above my head for the most part. I'm not convinced nonetheless. Any time I've tried using a normal map it looked downright horrible. Paralax works quite well though.
  • NDH
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    A better question would be to ask how many do you need?

    90 000 polygons used to create a single piece of vegetation seems a lot less reasonable than to use those 90 000 polygons to create say a key character in your game.

    I think it all comes down to whats reasonable or not.
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