WIP - Mossberg500

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

a work in progress Mossberg 500 done in modo. Lemme know if I'm doing it right

Marshkin · Apr 2014

It seems to be like you're off to a good start. Can you post the reference material that you are using? Sometime it is easier to offer suggestions when the reference material is handy.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

I've got a whole folder but the main one im using is this -http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/files/mossberg_500a_b.jpg

(I'm particularly curious about the best way of cutting the ejection opening)

Bek · Apr 2014

Change your material's diffuse to ~40% and up the spec, and set roughness to 100%. Makes it easier to read.

I hope you're watching (or have watched) Milennia's excellent tutorial on this weapon? It looks like you have some edges that are too sharp; specifically the chamber and the ends of the barrel.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

I have not seen the tutorial but I will now that I know about it! Thank you!

Also to clarify is this what you mean?
http://i.imgur.com/G1el4fU.png
http://i.imgur.com/5jrZvJS.png

Bek · Apr 2014

Yeah—if you press O to open the viewport settings, you can disable the background gradient by changing GL Background to None. You want your model to stand out from the background. If you're using lights, toggle them off (ctrl+1) Not sure if you're using lights or anything, but something like this is just easier to read:

Here's a link to that tutorial too: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL925958D31D8D30C7

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

Thanks! that gradient drives me nuts sometimes.

Is this better?

Bek · Apr 2014

Yep. But keep the specular less than 100%; the over exposure looks bad.

Also notice how the grip has sharp edges? That wouldn't be comfortable. Check your references for that. I can also see some weird shading where the lower barrel connects to the upper barrel. You might find it easier to get an imgur.com account to upload your pics, and don't forget wires if you want people to comment on your topology.

You can also force AA in your AMD or nvidia control panel, which might be something to consider if you're going to be taking final beauty shots of the highpoly inside modo viewport (although you could just as easily use modo's render, but that would take slightly longer to do the same thing).

DWalker · Apr 2014

You have a seam running down the middle of the front of the grip; were those vertices not welded when you joined the halves?

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

Everything is welded I'm trying to keep the shape but I'll soften things out and and upload again.

Also could you be more specific to where the shading errors are please?

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

softened out the grip better?

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

quick update with wires this time. feel so naked be kind

Colditz · Apr 2014

A few edges look way to hard atm.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

Which edges in particular do you mean?

bcottage · Apr 2014

Ahh Mossberg 500, I enjoyed doing mine

, need any help on certain parts I may be of some help.

http://bencottage.co.uk/images/mossberg_500_7.png
http://bencottage.co.uk/images/mossberg_500_5.png
http://bencottage.co.uk/images/mossberg_500_8.png
http://bencottage.co.uk/images/mossberg_05.png

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

haha that's the image that inspired me! nice to meet you.

btw I love your model in case you hadn't guessed

Bek · Apr 2014

Imagine holding the grip tight. Would it be comfortable? No—the edges are way too sharp. The trigger is also incredibly thin.

And if you're using edge weighting; don't. It won't translate between packages and it is beneficial to learn how to use control loops everywhere.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

I have used and understand using edge loops I'm using edge weighing as its a feature that I wanted to learn about, is there any particular reason why I shouldn't?

Bek · Apr 2014

- Less control (So generally worse results)
- Adding actual geo also gives more to work with, which is handy when you're still adding stuff.
- Package specific (So if you're doing work and someone wants to edit your file in 3ds max...)

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

I'm using a combination of edge loops and then using weights to tighten up the cage I can freeze the model export and discard the edge weight information and thus can be edited/opened in whatever I choose. If I need extra geo I have no issues whacking it in.

I see what you mean about the shap corners Here's an update I've softened the corners but I feel I'm still not getting the shape.

Here's my grip refrence

Bek · Apr 2014

Freezing applies the subdivision though, which will be next to useless if you're working alongside someone else in production (or possibly even for freelance work). Just something to be aware of.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

Hmm good point, I'll bare that in mind.

bcottage · Apr 2014

bunneh13 wrote: »

haha that's the image that inspired me! nice to meet you.

btw I love your model in case you hadn't guessed

This comment made my year. Thankyou dude

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

No Problem! any advice on the grip? 'tis giving me trouble and I'd love to know about your texturing process.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

I think I'm starting get the shape down now

dazzerfong · Apr 2014

Where the thumb rests on the grip, the gradient down isn't sudden, it's a gradual transition. Also, be careful near the back: there's a bit of pinching. In reality, it should be 'hard' until it reaches the end of the backplate.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

Totally missed that graident, but I did notice the pinch. I'll work on it and post an update later.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

Quick update I've got it fairly close going to move on to low poly, suggestions still welcome.

luge · Apr 2014

agreed about the edges. your edges are really tight and wont bake very well.

bcottage · Apr 2014

bunneh13 wrote: »

No Problem! any advice on the grip? 'tis giving me trouble and I'd love to know about your texturing process.

What advise do you especially want about the grip? When you come to texturing I will gladly help you

cR45h · Apr 2014

You seem to be struggling with the grip the most. Heres a mossy grip I made a while back. Cage isn't too perfect, but it should give you an idea of what to do.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

I'll probably re-do the grip at some point or maybe try a full stock instead but I feel I've agonised over it enough for now.

@Chillydog12345 - I'm concerned you think a lot of this is off, I've gone through my references and can see some of the details are miss-placed but I cant find what's wrong with the shape can you be more specific.

Edit: @cR45h - That is extremely useful thank you! (might give it another go)

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

Can someone explain to me what's exactly wrong with 'hard' edges? and how hard is too hard?

luge · Apr 2014

This:

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You don't want realisticly hard edges, because they will not bake properly. always think with exaggeration. right now your edges are pretty realistic yes, meaning they are too tight for a bake.

you want to pull your supporting edges more away from the edge you want to crispen in order to smooth it slightly and have it bake well.

luge · Apr 2014

On the note of your model, the top of the gun needs to smoothen out more instead of coming to a harder edge. if you look at your reference, it goes from an angle into a slight curve and gradually flattens out, where as your model goes from an angle into a slightly steep curve and flattens faster.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

I think I'm starting to get it, is this what your talking about.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

OK, I scrapped the grip and have re-done it. It's defiantly better, hopefully you'll agree

luge · Apr 2014

you're getting there, remember that even the edges that won't have uvs or a bake, still need to be a tad soft as well. and you don't want it too soft. you just want a light gradient.

luge · Apr 2014

also looks like there is some pinching going on on the the top of the gun. remember that in a hi poly, you don't need everything to be tris and quads, when you smooth, it will do that for you. by remembering this, you can more easily avoid pinching in some areas when you smooth. if you have still have pinching when you smooth in an area, you can redirect the smoothing with one edge (sometimes more depending) and it should remove the pinching and/or stretching of faces.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

So N-gons are Ok? This sounds very useful but I'm not sure how I'd use this information, is there anything you can link my to to better explain how this works?

luge · Apr 2014

this tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK0b2SUjhtU

it does an extremely good job at explaining how to do an effective high-poly. (he also goes through all the steps of creating the knife in various videos, from high, to low, texturing.)

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

Had a watch, very interesting. I think I have a bit more insight on terminating edges, I had it drummed into me at uni anything other than quads are bad. I think ill have another bash at it.

luge · Apr 2014

yeah, the same thing for me back at uni. after watching that video, I was definitely enlightened lol.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

Third times the charm right? Here's my latest update:

luge · Apr 2014

its looking pretty solid, keep at it.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

how would I go about detailing the grip (cross-hatch patten). My only thought, beside sculpting is floaters, would I be going in the right direction? Also to that point how far can I take things before Texturing/baking/sculpting?

Edit - current state

billymcguffin · Apr 2014

For the knurling, I'd just do it in photoshop when you're doing the textures.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

Quick Update: Low Poly with a quick bake
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luge · Apr 2014

looking at them side by side, the reference to your shot, I painted over some things I think you could fix to make it look better.

just my opinions, I'd make it closer to your reference in those areas.

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

I see you're point. The ejection opening I struggled creating that shape without shading errors. The grip lining up, is me being lazy and working on the grip on it's own without checking it lines up. (test bake was a little early, jumping ahead a little). The bevel I totally missed. Thank you for the paintover, sometimes you just look at things so long you miss what's there!

bunneh13 · Apr 2014

Lined up the grip reworked the opening and knocked the bevel. Anything else before I do a proper low poly?

WIP - Mossberg500

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