That tutorial is really nice, but those creatures have horribly wrong anatomy, and the skeleton doesn't even line up with the sculpt.
Forearms and back are especially a mess.
Artists need to stop using stuff like that as reference.
Ryan Kingslien is also a good 'starting point', but he gets called out for bad anatomy ALL the time.
Scott Eaton really is the only person I've seen who teaches anatomy the right way. Much of his classes focus on the skeleton, with a hefty dose of MRI/Autopsy images.
After I took his class, I became VERY ashamed of every character I've made, and see PLENTY of flaws in the works of some very high profile artists. I also realise that most 'Anatomy instructors', and 'anatomy reference makers' really don't understand anatomy on a fundamental level, and they really should not be teaching it beyond an introductory level.
Scott Eaton really is the only person who teaches anatomy the right way. Much of his classes focus on the skeleton, with a hefty dose of MRI/Autopsy images.
It's a great starting point at an introductory level. But for anyone working professionally on characters, I haven't seen anything that comes close to the depth of Eaton's class.
His class really shows me how rudimentary my knowledge is, and how much farther I need to go to become 'knowledgeable'.
For those that took Scott Eaton's Digital Figure Sculpture course, which did you take...the full enrollment or standard? You're essentially paying the extra $400 to have Q&A time with Scott and paint-overs if I'm reading things right on the info page.
I'm thinking like really hard on it. From everything I've read, the people that have taken it have nothing but really good things to say. I've yet to see anyone say it wasnt worth it.
How many people here never really formally trained (self taught or schooling) in anatomy and gets by?
I see lots of great art work with lots of Zbrush detail but as its fundamentally wrong the muscles may as well be walnuts in a condom Rookie mistakes like making the volume of the bicep bigger then the tricep. Or the classic.....
Who needs a six pack when you can have a ten pack
Also if you want inspiration for an anatomist that risked his life to be able to study the subject then learn about Andreas Vesalius (31 December 1514 15 October 1564). As a Professor he went against years of tradition and the beliefs of the church in Galen; by stating empirical facts about the human body no one could argue against him and he went onto to discover well over 250 undiscovered facts about the human body.
He also dug up bodies from grave yards while he was a student and dissected them in his lodgings, he also cut the limbs of men that died in cages due to Judicial Punishments, oh he would have been such a laugh of a house mate :poly136:
Totally agree, anatomy is far from my strong point, but when I think of top notch anatomy training from what id consider to respectively be one of the modern day masters of anatomy, I think of scott eaton, I firmly believe you really can't go wrong with his instruction its some of the best you will find, far better than any book or tutorial elsewhere.
I may be incorrect, but I think Hogarth in particular may have recently began teaching using a system of simplified forms instead of focusing so heavily on insertions and fiber direction. I know back in the day when my father was studying under Hogarth he most definitely had an in depth understanding of rotations, insertion, etc. However, Hogarth has been known to, "twist them for his own desires".
Apologies for any spelling errors, I'm on my phone.
Thought I'd jump in and share my pinterest. I've been gathering as much (hopefully good) anatomical refs as possible for my personal use. It's always great to have one online place to go look at if you need a quick answer
There is one thing alot of people don't take into account when using body builders as anatomical reference, that they can sometimes produce an distorted/abnormal look due to uneven muscle building, focusing on specific muscles over others. Compared to if the body as a whole had been bulked up it would appear different.
I'm doing Scott Eaton's dynamic figure sculpting and really recommend it; not just in terms of learning the anatomy but the dynamic aspect of the poses really helps with understand how everything works (and it's quite different from the usual t-pose we all tend to work on).
A very useful resource I found for learning was Zack Petroc's 'Form of Anatomy' where he goes through a zbrush file of a skeleton and each muscle group; the insertions and shape and basically how to view them through the eyes of an artist.
@Magicsugar: I'm not sure if you're testing or actually after the answer yourself but you're probably thinking of the infraspinatus, teres minor and teres major
@Magicsugar: I'm not sure if you're testing or actually after the answer yourself but you're probably thinking of the infraspinatus, teres minor and teres major
ding ding ding U ARE CORRECT !!!
But, a recent personal discovery, it's possible to pop a small section of the rhomboid in some weightlifters. It's amazing! I was confused cross checking with photos and charts cuz it's counter-intuitive to see how much it can be visibly built up.
But it works. Got a corroborating chart and an Arnold back shot.
@Boban, I think it's a good and cheap learning tool.
Since it's all digital you'll still have to checkout photo refs or videos to see how it applies on an actual person. Because people come in all shapes and sizes so some muscles are more defined for say athletes but you'll notice more bony landmarks in lean people.
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You get more control over sculpt knowing how the muscle is structured or deformed rather than arbitrarily sculpting what you think it looks like.
Forearms and back are especially a mess.
Artists need to stop using stuff like that as reference.
Ryan Kingslien is also a good 'starting point', but he gets called out for bad anatomy ALL the time.
Scott Eaton really is the only person I've seen who teaches anatomy the right way. Much of his classes focus on the skeleton, with a hefty dose of MRI/Autopsy images.
After I took his class, I became VERY ashamed of every character I've made, and see PLENTY of flaws in the works of some very high profile artists. I also realise that most 'Anatomy instructors', and 'anatomy reference makers' really don't understand anatomy on a fundamental level, and they really should not be teaching it beyond an introductory level.
Howabout Michael Hampton? http://www.figuredrawing.info/
Same as Hogarth.
It's a great starting point at an introductory level. But for anyone working professionally on characters, I haven't seen anything that comes close to the depth of Eaton's class.
His class really shows me how rudimentary my knowledge is, and how much farther I need to go to become 'knowledgeable'.
I'm thinking like really hard on it. From everything I've read, the people that have taken it have nothing but really good things to say. I've yet to see anyone say it wasnt worth it.
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I see lots of great art work with lots of Zbrush detail but as its fundamentally wrong the muscles may as well be walnuts in a condom
Who needs a six pack when you can have a ten pack
Also if you want inspiration for an anatomist that risked his life to be able to study the subject then learn about Andreas Vesalius (31 December 1514 15 October 1564). As a Professor he went against years of tradition and the beliefs of the church in Galen; by stating empirical facts about the human body no one could argue against him and he went onto to discover well over 250 undiscovered facts about the human body.
He also dug up bodies from grave yards while he was a student and dissected them in his lodgings, he also cut the limbs of men that died in cages due to Judicial Punishments, oh he would have been such a laugh of a house mate :poly136:
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http://youtu.be/qOhh-8mgTFk
Totally agree, anatomy is far from my strong point, but when I think of top notch anatomy training from what id consider to respectively be one of the modern day masters of anatomy, I think of scott eaton, I firmly believe you really can't go wrong with his instruction its some of the best you will find, far better than any book or tutorial elsewhere.
Apologies for any spelling errors, I'm on my phone.
Upper Body: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rswatski/sets/72157624506271057/
Lower Body: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rswatski/sets/72157624732222772/
Didn't know the lats connected to the humerus.
Quick, which muscles shows through the delt-trap-lat window?!
http://www.pinterest.com/guntharf/
(I can't believe that we don't have a "sticky" anatomy thread somewhere on this forum...)
Also when just using photo ref is to keep in mind that surgical implants can also fake nature [images below from http://www.doctorhtiller.com/procedures.html]
A very useful resource I found for learning was Zack Petroc's 'Form of Anatomy' where he goes through a zbrush file of a skeleton and each muscle group; the insertions and shape and basically how to view them through the eyes of an artist.
@Magicsugar: I'm not sure if you're testing or actually after the answer yourself but you're probably thinking of the infraspinatus, teres minor and teres major
ding ding ding U ARE CORRECT !!!
But, a recent personal discovery, it's possible to pop a small section of the rhomboid in some weightlifters. It's amazing!
But it works. Got a corroborating chart and an Arnold back shot.
Drawing style and lettering font reminds me of Loomis.
Go to the root directory for more vintage art books. Save html if you want local copy.
Let's De-Nazify your dreams with science! :thumbup:
http://grassetti.wordpress.com/ecorche-statue/
That looks really good and definitely worth $200 + shipping.
I'm not that hardcore so I'm planning to invest on a $25 app just for learning and quick ref purposes [see preview video if interested] http://www.visiblebody.com/muscular_download_overview/
http://www.med.umich.edu/lrc/coursepages/m1/anatomy2010/html/musculoskeletal_system/introback.html
You may wanna skip eating lasagna same time you watch the vids.
Its not all dead stuff they have I think a student volunteer undress and do the living anatomy portions.
This is awesome. Do you think it is good to take this to learn anatomy, instead of boring books?
Since it's all digital you'll still have to checkout photo refs or videos to see how it applies on an actual person. Because people come in all shapes and sizes so some muscles are more defined for say athletes but you'll notice more bony landmarks in lean people.