[Dota2] Phantom Lancer Ancestor's Pride
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Done!
Teaming up this time with the lovely vandalfish, the contest was too cool to pass up and we're looking forward to seeing everyone's entries. Stay Tuned!
Teaming up this time with the lovely vandalfish, the contest was too cool to pass up and we're looking forward to seeing everyone's entries. Stay Tuned!
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here's my share:
thanks for looking!
But nothing to say bad about any concept, they all look awesome! I kinda hate you
Good luck you guys are one to watch!
Small update for now, just showing the direction(s) we have decided to go, there should be another update later tonight, hopefully with some color.
My roommate who worked on Spellborn also picks 3!
I like no.4 weapon
This isn't final, and there will be some more small tweaks to the color and some of the shapes, but it is indicative of what I'm going to model.
As for weapons, we think we're going with #1 from my latest post. It was a tough decision though as I'm happy with some of the other shapes as well, if there's time I might do a second one for fun. Should have a clearer concept for the weapon sometime this week.
Thanks for the comments everyone, we appreciate your feedback!
- BoBo
The main issue is that I didn't check if Phantom Lancer had alpha support before we started doing all the feather stuff. I think we can get by with just modeled feathers though.. we'll see!
and a quick feather test, simple geo and vert paint cobbled together to see if it would read right from player view. I think this could work.
Thanks again guys for all your feedback!
I'd say try to play on the more cooler colors at least on those maybe a brown, orange, maybe yellow.
Just something about them throws me off otherwise the rest of It for me is good to go, either way I'll like the end result just based on the concept and colors.
Edit: The feathery test geo looks good, did you find out about them alphas?
I know you're trying to make the poof of feathers work on the shoulder but I'd suggest avoiding that problem. DOTA2 doesn't support 2 sided materials, so that means each feather is going to need to be 2 sided (if not more), you can hide or simplify this issue on all the other poofs/feathers except the shoulder (big poof not under the armor which is ok) which will be an issue b/c its view from so many angles. It will take up more than double the poly's (of a single sided feather) for that shape and possibly give rigging issues.
Agentfx: thanks for the feedback. I've been back and forth about it, and while I dig the idea the reality is it's not going to be done easily, and what's probably going to happen is either a gross simplification or an alteration altogether or what's happening. I'm just going to play with shapes and stuff on the model after I build the rest of the Shoulder piece so I know what my budget is. I think we were just having too much fun with the feather idea and it came and bit us in the ass haha
well what I was worried about when 2 poly's are in the same space is weird artifacting. It happens in other CG programs so I just try to avoid it. Rigging wise why its hard is if you want to paint the weights it may not paint both vertex points, unless you do rigid binding in maya and set each point by hand. I'm only saying it adds potential issues. If it's only bound to 1 joint might be ok. Shoulders in general are hard to rig, so I felt that it'd be saving unfun parts by removing it.
- BoBo
so, some good news, some not so good news.
good news first. base meshes are done, started sculpting the things I want sculpts for, should be showing those soon. secondly, importing (at least the weapon) is way easier than I thought. I decided to just wing it before looking at tutorials and it really was as easy as parenting the weapon to the weapon bone and exporting an FBX. I didn't even change settings. This may be wrong and I'm definitely going to go through the guides soon but I was pretty stoked to see it work so easily.
no textures or anything, only a quick test:
looks cool from the above view but my screenshot button decided not to remember that one. Will have more soon I'm sure.
the bad news is, while I was going through the test weapon submission, I noticed that the LOD1 slots were for the GAME meshes. Shit. I saw LOD0 and 1 on the character workshop page and thought those were both for game, and that the cinematic one would be beyond those. Nope. Needless to say going from a planned 800 for the belt to 450, or worse for me - dropping the shoulder budget by 200 or so, is going to be difficult. The design will probably be simplified in some ways. For example, less bracelets or flat ones, less but bigger feathers (which will probably read better anyway), etc.
Thanks again guys, I'm excited to continue working on it. Hoping for big updates this weekend.
especially those feathers on his left shoulder!
great work!
@Managor: It's not too purple, I think. It's mostly red/orange with a few areas of mangenta-ish. Plus I asked in the Q&A and it sounds like we can do whatever palette we feel would work for our item set.
Now back to the model. I did a first pass on some of my shoulder stuff and wow I went way over the budget for shoulders by like 400 in terms of LOD1. After thinking about it I think I'm going to do LOD0 first and then cut that down to make the game mesh.
Here's what I've blocked out so far model wise, still very rough and wip:
I'm in the process of cutting stuff down like the necklaces, from 3 sides to one, unless I have extra polys in LOD0 later. I'm also going to be merging the skull and shoulder pad instead of keeping the model separate, It will be cheaper and probably read better after I bake it than them separately anyway. These feathers are killing me though haha, just going to keep them bigger and have less of them, they'll still fill their purpose of splashing color and cool shape. I think I'll be fine tri-count wise on the belt, weapon, and arms, but the shoulders are going to be a challenge since there's SO much going on there. Really excited to get to the baking and texturing part soon.
Thanks again everyone for the comments and feedback, you guys rule.
edit: apologies for the image quality, used the snipping tool this time and forgot how bad it's .jpg compression was.
Getting the shoulders down is proving to be a hell of a challenge, barely making the LOD0 currently, I'm so greedy with these polys!. I have ideas for cutting down as previously mentioned.. but yikes! I hate to sacrifice the design, I'll see what I can do. I think I can get away with much fewer feathers and still retain the same feel.
Had a weird shading issue on one of the normals, not sure what caused it, but simply re-importing the low rez mesh fixed it:
the one on the right was the problem child:
here are some of the sculpts, couple more needed but nothing big:
trodding along. Can't wait to get to the texturing.
Thanks again everyone for your kind words, comments, and feedback.
Looks great.
That's where the filler piece comes in. Its sort of just cloth that can stretch and bridge the missing space. It will penetrate and be kinda nasty but it will do the job of hiding the missing geo, which I think is noticeable even in game camera, meaning far out and character is small. You have a bigger belt so hopefully the whole and filler cloth won't be significant.