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Firefly - Zoe's Gun - WIP (Image Heavy)

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Current Update:

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Old/First Post:
Zbrush damage and textures still outstanding. This is just the HiRes.
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  • AzzaMat
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    AzzaMat polycounter lvl 9
    looking nice, a bit too long though when compared to the reference.
  • Di$array
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    Di$array polycounter lvl 5
    Yeah AzzaMat make a fine point :) Same could be said about the stock and scope. They appear to be a tad long and the scope seems quite thin compared to the ref photo.
    Other than that it's great. I love firefly and I look forward to seeing this bad boy finished.
  • shabba
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    shabba polycounter lvl 15
    Thanks Azzamat and Di$array for the quick feedback. I definitely agree, made those changes. More along the lines of what you had mentioned?

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  • Amsterdam Hilton Hotel
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    Amsterdam Hilton Hotel insane polycounter
    it's usually a good idea to show an hp in a material that has some specularity to it because it will expose any smoothing issues (although that doesnt look to be a problem here) and will show the edges.

    despite that, atm i'm pretty sure your edges are much too tight across all elements. making them chunkier will make for a bake that catches light in an attractive way and won't mip down or alias poorly. the wood elements can have ever broader edges than the metal, but all should be addressed.

    also be careful with some of your smaller details such as knurling and this:
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    these types of details should generally be beefed up so that you dont have to devote as much map space just to bake them and so that they're readable from a distance.

    other than that this looks mostly pretty clean, and i doubt those changes would take too much time to implement
  • Di$array
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    Di$array polycounter lvl 5
    Marked improvement mate. Keep it up.
  • AzzaMat
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    AzzaMat polycounter lvl 9
    looks much better now, look forward to seeing you develop this =D
  • shabba
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    shabba polycounter lvl 15
    Thanks for the C&C so far everyone!

    Amsterdam Hilton Hotel: I tried to address the tight edges in zbrush, I would appreciate getting another look at them if you have time.

    Threw the gun into Zbrush, marked it up. I was trying to restrain myself from doing too much to it. I have damaged it more then the original reference though.

    Zbrush Pass:
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  • Ravanna
    is it considered good practise to apply scratches and non geometry detail during Zbrushing, or do the majority paint them in later in PS?
  • shabba
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    shabba polycounter lvl 15
    Ravanna: I do some of both, in Zbrush I do the deep scratches and nicks/chunks instead of in PS, mostly because I have more fun in Zbrush! But I will paint in more afterwards. I'm not sure if this is good practice or not.

    Can anyone else chime in?
  • shabba
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    shabba polycounter lvl 15
    Low res made. This is meant for a current gen 3rd person action/shooter.

    Statistics:
    Budget - 2500 Tris
    Current- 2513 Tris
    Mesh Verts - 1335
    On Card - 1796 <-- Will change (Not UV'd yet)

    Anything obvious that needs improving?

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  • shabba
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    shabba polycounter lvl 15
    Just an update of where I'm at. Gun is UV'd and I did my first test bake to see where I might have problems, so heres my initial normal map, and UV. I will fix up the issues with the bake before jumping into the diffuse.

    UV Layout & Splits:
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    UDK Static Mesh Editor (AO/Normals applied):
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  • shabba
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    shabba polycounter lvl 15
    Here is my latest update. I would really appreciate some crits on the textures. Thanks ahead of time!

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  • Blaisoid
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    Blaisoid polycounter lvl 7
    here's my thoughts:
    -wood is covered with varnish which is transparent so it generally should have white highlights rather than brownish ones. to achieve this the color of wooden parts has to be the negative of original color from diffuse map.

    -scope looks like plastic, it's too bright on diffuse map.

    -on the photo there is a big difference between scratched parts of body and clean black areas. it's visible that paint has different properties from metal.
    on your version those worn parts look like the same base material that was just brightened a little.
  • gsokol
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    gsokol polycounter lvl 14
    Hey man.

    So yea, what Blaisoid said about the wood is true, the highlight needs to be white, so take the color of the wood and invert it for the spec.

    I think the specular value of the metal could overall be higher. Probably higher than the wood. You might wanna tone done some of the normal mapped details...especially on the barrel. Its making it a little hard to read as metal...it looks like your sculpted in scratches might not have highlights...really punch those with a bright highlight. Honestly...in the ref I don't see any scratches that actually dig into the surface..only on the wood.

    You might also benefit from using a gloss map for this. The wood specular power is going to contrast the metal quite a bit. The metal is going to have a tight highlight, but the wood spec is very soft and carries over most of the surface. Plus, getting some smudges in the gloss map might look pretty cool on the metal parts.

    Also..for me it seems like you gotta multiply the spec map a little bit to notice it in UDK...just try multiplying it by 3 and seeing how it looks.
  • AzzaMat
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    AzzaMat polycounter lvl 9
    Looking real nice =D the wood looks a different colour to the ref. The wood in your model looks a bit like it was taken from a table leg and doesn't look nearly as worn. Remember that gun went through a war =P
  • Polygoblin
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    shabba wrote: »
    Ravanna: I do some of both, in Zbrush I do the deep scratches and nicks/chunks instead of in PS, mostly because I have more fun in Zbrush! But I will paint in more afterwards. I'm not sure if this is good practice or not.

    Can anyone else chime in?

    I usually sculpt only the deepest of scratches/scrapes because most scratches should not be needed in the normal map. Theoretically, you could sculpt all of them, then separate the ones you don't want in your normals, and use that info for a cavity map or something (but that's seems like a hassle to me). Most scratches I paint in PS with the help of the nDo tool. It allows me flexibility with the depth of each scratch and takes less time than sculpting.

    George mentioned the gloss map. In my experience, it is DAMN HARD to get decent-looking metal without it. Try getting a gloss map and a cube map in there, and work the harmony of these two maps with your other maps and the metal will start to react correctly.

    Love the concept btw. Can you believe I've never seen Firefly? Shhh... don't tell anyone.
  • shabba
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    shabba polycounter lvl 15
    Ok, here is another update. Thank you to everyone who provided me with comments so far, they were spot on and made a huge difference! Thanks :)

    I would still really appreciate anymore feedback or direction, C&C is always welcome.

    UPDATE:
    Render /w my Specular Intensity at 1.00 and Specular Sharpness at 256.00

    Image /w Post (only a brightness increase, and Vignette)
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  • AzzaMat
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    AzzaMat polycounter lvl 9
    This is awesome dude really liking it, the specular could do with a bit more contrast though I think. Just to make the scratches and other bits of damage stand out more.
  • Blaisoid
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    Blaisoid polycounter lvl 7
    nice, the whole thing looks much better now. wood may be a little too orange.

    one random thing i noticed: if you look at the hoop/ring that goes around wood and barrel close to the muzzle, you can see that wood around the metal is darkened and less specular. on the photo, that is.
  • gsokol
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    gsokol polycounter lvl 14
    Oh yea thats much improved.

    I really dig the highlight you get on the barrel now..I think the gloss can be tightened up just a little bit...notice how tight the spec is in the ref.

    Also, the gloss of the wood could be juuuust a little bit wider.

    I agree with Blaisoid, maybe tone down the saturation on the wood a little bit.

    And like AzzaMat said, maybe a little bit more contrast will look nice. Just try a levels adjustment or something.

    Anyways...looking much improved man.
  • unstoppablex
    i think the spec needs to be adjusted a bit. it looks like you're trying to go for a used, beat up gun, meanwhile the metal from a far gives the impression its new.
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