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Why the fuck can I not find a job? This is starting to get to me. I am SO tired of doing art tests and getting no responses, so tired of not being called back after interviews and being ignored. I don't know what to do. It is destroying me.

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sorry this is whiny. I don't know what to do. Someone please give me some advice.

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  • Super Happy Cow
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    Super Happy Cow polycounter lvl 6
    Do you have a portfolio? Maybe skilled people can give you critique? : [
  • Seaseme
  • Seaseme
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    Seaseme polycounter lvl 8
    I think I have a pretty strong portfolio, pretty strong people skills. I am an interesting person, I have strong recommendations, prior experience. I've been working in this industry since I was 17!

    I don't know or understand why I'm having such a hard time getting call backs after interviews. They all go very well. ugh.
  • Jason Young
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    Jason Young polycounter lvl 10
    Site is super broken for me in IE7. Not sure if it has problems in other browsers, but chrome works fine.
  • cholden
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    cholden polycounter lvl 13
    maybe they think you're an art house because your portfolio has a name of the company you're currently CEO and Art Director for according your resume that isn't on your portfolio (download only).
  • Seaseme
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    Seaseme polycounter lvl 8
    Hm. I don't know, I only tested it in the pretty new versions of IE. It worked fine on them. It's a joomla site. That's interesting.
  • crazyfingers
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    crazyfingers polycounter lvl 10
    ditch your second environment scene and the still lego scenes,keep your first scene and your two weapons. I'd also suggest you fix up the grip on the pistol, it's not working.

    What i'd really like to see is a unique sort of prop that's environmental, or a small little scene at a very high quality that you showed you're capable of in your weapons.

    Remove the text explaining the limitations of the lego universe stuff and just keep the first video. Anyone in a posotion to hire you will instantly know the limitations of such a game anyway.

    Not sure if this is the best route to take to get a job but i know the frustrations you're going through, dude. Hope something works out for ya.
  • Seaseme
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    Seaseme polycounter lvl 8
    thank you! This is like 10x more feedback then I ever got in my portfolio thread in P&P. Please keep it coming.
  • Seaseme
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    Seaseme polycounter lvl 8
    Okay, I made some of the changes you guys suggested. Going to get rid of part of my resume and post it on the website so you don't have to download it.
  • Joshua Stubbles
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    Don't get discouraged though. I haven't had full-time work since 2008 either. I've had 2 contracts and a total of one year of unemployment since then. I've been in the industry over 10yrs and shipped 3 (almost 4) titles and I still can't find shit.

    Definitely take the advice into consideration and keep trying. That's all you can do. Don't give up, just keep trying newer techniques, practice and improve.
  • Seaseme
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    Seaseme polycounter lvl 8
    Thanks Joshua. I know it's so competitive up here in Seattle. It's starting to break my heart. I've worked for so many years getting to this point (lol? unemployed). This is just starting to crush my self esteem. That's what the well being part of the thread title is.

    I honestly do not know what I can do differently. I've made all the changes in this thread. This is just starting to be completely exhausting. Day in and day out waiting for studios to take their sweet ass time to give a guy a call back. I've been interviewing at a studio for like.. 4 months now? They take about 2 months between contacting me. Their HR does NOT answer her phone, EVER. Last I talked to her, which was about two weeks ago, she said they would let me know either way what was happening but has failed to let me know again.

    How can companies be so distant for so long with potential employees and expect any sort of loyalty?
  • low odor
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    Hang in there mang...I would tag your Lego Universe pieces with a logo..or at least some context that it was made for LEGO Universe.... Some of the worn edges on the gun come off a smoothing/normal errors..and the material on the grip tape is coming off as wooden...I would take a keen look at some of the brink weapons posted in Pimp&P and see if you could pick up something from them to really make this piece come together..the pillar is good...but it's just a pillar..why not make a little stone henge scene out of it ..try to push it to the next lvl
  • Andreas
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    Careful with naming studios when speaking in a negative light...
  • beancube
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    @ Seaseme

    One main error i see in your work is the final execution. Nothing pops and grabs you in.
    The only scene that looked good was the building set at the start. The Warhammer house was lacking any overall feeling. Its in Cryengine 2 but didnt resemble the level of quality of that can be reached within the engine. Mainly the Lighting was letting it down. Wheres your style and flair?
    Accentuate your OWN style within the industry standards. That it the only way to stand out from any other artist with a similar folio.

    If it makes you feel any better, im in the same boat regarding job hunting.
    Although... Im mainly disappointed from certain industry peers here @ polycount (wont mention names) that wont even reply to my PM's and answer feedback questions.
  • EarthQuake
    I'll be blunt with you here, as someone who reviews portfolios looking for tallent on a regular basis, your portfolio comes off as decidedly average. Its not bad by any means, but there isn't anything memorable, nothing that jumps out and shows me your skills are out of the ordinary.

    In such a competative job market, it is key to really distance yourself from other aplicants. It isn't enough to simply have competent work, you need to have a jaw-droppingly good portfolio.

    Even if you can only do one thing awesome, you've gotta find that niche'. What is it, weapons? Environments? Props? Vehicles? Characters? Pick one of these and crank out some truly A-level show piece assets for your site. When i'm looking at portfolios, I'm looking for someone who stands out in at least one aspect, I'm not really looking for a guy who can do a bunch of stuff but doesn't leave any sort of impression on me.


    Really want to get a job? Set a goal like:
    Every two weeks I am going to pump out an A+ asset
    Post on polycount and take in critique

    If you can actually keep that up for a few months, and show improvement with your work, not only will you catch a lot of eyes here, but you'll have some much better content to put into your portfolio. The industry moves so fast, if you're not constantly cranking out new stuff, you're falling behind.


    In the last two years, you've posted a grand total of one thread in Pimping, with a grand total of one(the initial post) responses to the thread, no follow ups, no wips, no progress. This simply will not do. You can't sit around feeling sorry for yourself, you've gotta put the work in, and equally as important, show the community you're putting the work in and improving. You see all these "congrats XXX" threads? Most of these guys post their work often and spend a lot of time taking in feedback from the community, it is no surprise that they make connections and get jobs.

    Your goal needs to be not just being another guy in the interview queue, but being that guy that a company is going to out of its way to get in touch with, you need to make yourself noticeable, and in a big way.
  • Parnell
    Something I do is find an artist I think is awesome and then do everything in my power to beat them at their craft. Competition only makes you stronger.
  • Seaseme
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    Seaseme polycounter lvl 8
    Thank you for the honesty EQ. However soul-crushing it was, I still appreciate it. You're right. I need to buckle down and make some newer stuff.

    Is my Lego Universe work really that bad? That's completely crushing to me. I thought we made some pretty fantastic art considering our limitations / art style.
  • Justin Meisse
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    Seaseme wrote: »
    Thanks Joshua. I know it's so competitive up here in Seattle.
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    Are you only looking in Seattle?
  • Seaseme
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    Seaseme polycounter lvl 8
    Pretty much only looking in Seattle. It's where my life is.
  • beancube
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    Seaseme wrote: »

    Is my Lego Universe work really that bad? That's completely crushing to me. I thought we made some pretty fantastic art considering our limitations / art style.

    The Lighting was really lacking that stylized edge to bring it all together.
    Some of the rocks verts where being light to boring black tones. It didnt look happy or vibrant.

    With what EQ was saying, yeh you gotta get your post count up - this will increase your odds of getting more people here to ride your dick. haha real talk.
  • RexM
    Seaseme wrote: »
    Pretty much only looking in Seattle. It's where my life is.

    I think you're trying to get into the wrong industry....


    You may be only looking for work in Seattle/the surrounding area, but the companies in that area are looking worldwide.

    Yeah...
  • Seaseme
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    Seaseme polycounter lvl 8
    So, having a job in this industry is analogous to having no friends / family?
  • RyRyB
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    Seaseme,

    I'm in a similar position as you: in Seattle, wife and 2 kids! Fun times!

    Anyways, the job market in Seattle is incredibly saturated at the moment. With layoffs at SOE Seattle in late March, Airtight the following day, and Zipper a month or so ago, there's a lot of competition. I'd estimate there are a couple of dozen experienced artists looking for work, not including the 4-5 schools in the area churning out graduates.

    It's a great time to look for temp employment in other industries while working on portfolio.

    Keep your head up, summer is typically slow for hiring. It'll ramp up towards the end of summer/early fall.

    Cheers!
  • Justin Meisse
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    Seaseme wrote: »
    Pretty much only looking in Seattle. It's where my life is.

    Well there's your problem. I'd love to live back in Florida but there really aren't alot of opportunities there. I've finally ended up in Texas which has the features I enjoyed in Florida. This is after 4 years of being in the northeast dealing with the miserable winters.
  • skylebones
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    skylebones polycounter lvl 10
    Yeah, you have to move if you want a job now and can't wait for things to pickup in your area. After a year long layoff I ended up taking a job 2,000 miles away and moved across the country. Not my ideal location, but I'm glad I did it and don't look back.

    It's tough out there right now, but hang in there, don't get discourage, and constantly create new portfolio artwork. Aim for one new piece a month and bust your ass to get better. It will happen, the only way it won't happen is if you give up.


    Loved this when I was on the job hunt.

    http://youtu.be/_Z5OookwOoY
  • RexM
    Seaseme wrote: »
    So, having a job in this industry is analogous to having no friends / family?

    You can't really pick and choose... if you want to get a job in this industry you pretty much have to do whatever it takes.

    Sometimes, we do need to make sacrifices in life to get ahead.
  • Super Happy Cow
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    RexM wrote: »
    You can't really pick and choose... if you want to get a job in this industry you pretty much have to do whatever it takes.

    Sometimes--

    Even murder?
  • Neox
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    Neox quad damage
    Even murder?
    especially that
  • ZacD
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    Neox wrote: »
    especially that

    Already tried that, didn't really help and I had to change my name, address, and hair :\
  • RexM
    ZacD wrote: »
    Already tried that, didn't really help and I had to change my name, address, and hair :\

    You just need to get your car re-painted and the plates changed at a local Pay N' Spray. :thumbup:
  • Super Happy Cow
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    Oh! Ontop! I dunno what your choice will be, but if you're looking to move out somewhere, say LA, I'll be looking for roommates in the future. : O

    But I'm an actual, literal cow, so I smell. : [
  • conte
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    conte polycounter lvl 14
    Seaseme, i wish you best of luck in job hunting, man, dont give up!

    skylebones, thanks for that vid :O somehow it ruined and made my day.
  • Hazardous
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    Hazardous polycounter lvl 12
    EQ's advice is spot on. Crank it out - More pimping your goods threads and the rest will eventually take care of itself. Frustrating as hell man I think nearly every person on this board has been through what your going through at some point. Dig deep man, your art will look after you if you look after it.
  • Reverenddevil
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    I second Hazardous and EQ's advice. We as artists are never "at the destination" we are constantly striving to get there. We always need to improve and just because one day we think our stuff is good the next day it can be crap. If you want to do environments find some awesome concept art and match and make people go wow that shit looks awesome, we need to hire this guy on this piece alone. Only way to improve is let people tear it apart and then go back with re works and show it again and again until people say wow looks pretty sweet.

    Also when it comes to just looking in Seattle, you are limiting yourself. Trust me when I say this, I never expected to have to move out of So Cal but opportunity presented itself and I had to take it and run. I am now in the Bay Area, a place I would of never saw myself 3 months ago. It was a decision I dont nor will I ever regret. There are so many studios out there, apply to them all and watch what happens, after you have created another enviro and some awesome assets to go along with it. Also make sure to put them in a valid engine.

    Good luck and this is all par for the course in our industry. Find the opportunity, because it will not always come to your door and start knocking. Sometimes we need to use rope and duct tape on it and beat the shit out of it.
  • Del
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    Seaseme wrote: »
    Pretty much only looking in Seattle.

    ~ Game Art is an RPG lifestyle dude. You gotta be willing to leave your hometown and wander out to get the story started. Even if its just for a while.

    As experience and awesomeness increases, then you can possibly later come back to Seattle and find a job there (although you might surprise yourself love it so much away you won't want to return). Just step out of the bubble if you can. You've only got one life, you can live somewhere else and meet great people for at least a while if your serious about this industry.
  • Snefer
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    tip for you, keep your portfolio in your sig here at polycount! Always have your folio one click away, i HATE looking for someones homepage.

    Another tip/suggestion, that echoes what other already said: work harder on your folio. The piece that jumps out the most at me from your miniatures is the gun, and the pillar. You say the gun took two days to make? Its a weekend now, make another one! There are plenty of people working hard to get in the industry, the best way to beat them is to work harder, smarter. A good portfolio doesnt create itself. If you REALLY want a job, dedicate a couple of hours each day on working hard on folio-pieces. Having a good folio, that is easy to find, solves alot of troubles.
  • ParoXum
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    I think I have a pretty strong portfolio, pretty strong people skills.
    I stopped reading there. You need to look at your work with more modesty or it wont happen really.

    To be truly honest with you what you have there is looking the same quality to me as most of the students getting out of school.

    But I think EQ nailed it.

    Keep at the thing and restart fresh projects.
  • Saman
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    I was in a similar position a while ago. I didn't think my portfolio was good enough but as soon as I started doing new stuff I felt better. A sense of hope comes when doing new stuff, you can aim higher and there is a new opportunity of reaching your goal. Keep doing new stuff, compare with the best and you'll eventually get there.

    Also, this isn't aimed at you specifically, seaseme, but just a general tip; if people don't respond to your pm's you shouldn't get pissed off or dissapointed. Getting help from them is a privilege, not a right.
  • Rick_D
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    if you aren't willing to move you aren't willing to work.

    also your folio is pretty shit an your previous work is so badly presented i don't really know what you have done professionally.

    check out my folio for a masterclass in professionalism.
  • [HP]
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    [HP] polycounter lvl 13
    This industry is not for everybody. If you're not willing to commit to a few thing (The necessity of moving to another country or state being ONE of them) then you're out of the game. Unless you're extremely lucky, which is not your case apparently.

    So suck it up, grab your bags and pursue your dreams.
  • Drav
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    Rick the D(ick?) is my new Polycount hero......brilliant!
  • Eric Chadwick
    Thanks EQ and others for the good posts. Added here
    http://wiki.polycount.com/CategoryPortfolio#Design

    Good luck Seaseme! I know it's hard to do, but it will help if you're able to push down the ego and act on the advice given here. It's all given in a good spirit, we all love to see members improve and land swank gigs. You can do it man!
  • Slum
    "I wan't to be an actor in movies, but I want to stay in Idaho." That sounds kind of strange, huh?

    Hey man, I'm not going to lie, moving away from family and friends *sucks*! But you can make it worth it. Keep up with working on your portfolio and never assume anything you've done is good enough. Do that and broaden your search, and you'll be alright.
  • fade1
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    after looking through your work, i come to the same result as in many posts before. your artwork does not reflect the jobs you have listed in your resume. don't take it personally, but the stuff just looks boring and uninspired.
    the problem is not your software skills. i can see that you can handle the tools well, but the models and textures are just not good enough to make somebody look closer.

    i also suggest to make two ot three new pieces, environmental stuff, that really have a great concept art as base. better use something from other artists, as nobody expects you to be a great concept artist. for example a crazy tree or a really amazing building. show that you can bring this into 3d and get rid of the generic props.
  • Spiralface
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    RexM wrote: »
    You can't really pick and choose... if you want to get a job in this industry you pretty much have to do whatever it takes.

    Sometimes, we do need to make sacrifices in life to get ahead.


    So true.

    This is always a favorite of mine whenever I think of this:

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/4/6/

    I just landed a full time position after working for 4 years in the industry and being unemployed for 6 months. But to do it, I have to pack my bags and move to the other side of the country away from both my wife's and my own friends and family.

    It beats being unemployed or working Retail.

    You do what you have to do. When I get to a point in my career where my art is more attractive to more people, I hope to come back to my home area, but till then, you have to be open about just getting work and experience under your belt.
  • Ryan Hawkins
    Rick that site made my day!
  • Minos
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    Seaseme wrote: »
    I think I have a pretty strong portfolio,

    Drop this attitude man. The moment an artist starts to think too much of himself, that is the moment he stops getting better. Always think that you are one step behind top artists and that you will work hard to catch up with them. There will always be someone better than you.

    Regarding your portfolio: I see you can use softwares, bake normal maps and get your assets ingame. But I think your pieces lack a strong artistic foundation. For example, this scene:
    http://www.remotecontrolledchaos.com/new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60&Itemid=27

    I love the modeling in this scene but it's very bad lighting and color wise. This feels like a really unpolished gem for me. With the right amount of work it may turn into a kickass scene. Critics:
    * The skybox is very bright, making everything else look dark. That's the same reason why portfolios with dark backgrounds are better than ones with white backgrounds.
    * I can't tell if the scene is textured or not.
    * The fog doesn't match the skybox. Neither does the ambient color, which is purple while the skybox is blue. I personally prefer purple ambient colors for night scenes, but you need to choose one or another.
    * The light sources are placed in a very boring manner, with equal distances between them.
    * I can't tell what the scale is supposed to be in this scene. At first I thought the gates were pretty tall but then I looked at that staircase next to it and noticed that the steps are huge. The staircase suggests that the player model might be slightly taller than those statues. Not epic at all.
    * The trees all look the same and not very interesting silhouette wise. I know you tried something a little different here but the trees are not working. They don't add visual interest to the scene. They don't feel like they belong in there. Some of them are even growing on solid rocks! Again, compare the trees with the statues and the trees will look like small bushes.
    * Is this rendered inside Maya's viewport? If so definitely get this into UDK or Unity and use lightmap tools to take it to the next level.
    * If you take this into UDK/Unity/Cryengine add a subtle direct light (the source could be the moon). This will generate interesting shadows.

    I think that's all for this scene.

    A general critic for your portfolio: Add a little description for each work. Tell your intentions, specs, what engine is it being showcased etc... I really have no idea what exactly you did on the Warhammer house. Did you model all the trees? Is that a piece for a mod?

    Last but not least: Never give up. If you aren't getting a job it's because:
    a) You are looking at the wrong places
    b) You are not good enough (yet)

    Hope that helps and good luck!!
  • Darth Tomi
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    Darth Tomi polycounter lvl 12
    Well there's your problem. I'd love to live back in Florida but there really aren't alot of opportunities there. I've finally ended up in Texas which has the features I enjoyed in Florida. This is after 4 years of being in the northeast dealing with the miserable winters.

    Miserable winters? Wimps.

    @Sesame: how long you been out? I know a guy who has been trying since he graduated in May 09. And some people are longer...
  • Seaseme
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    Seaseme polycounter lvl 8
    Thanks guys. This is exactly what I was hoping for in my P&P thread. Time to buckle down! :)
  • Seaseme
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    Minotaur0 wrote: »
    Drop this attitude man. The moment an artist starts to think too much of himself, that is the moment he stops getting better. Always think that you are one step behind top artists and that you will work hard to catch up with them. There will always be someone better than you.

    Regarding your portfolio: I see you can use softwares, bake normal maps and get your assets ingame. But I think your pieces lack a strong artistic foundation. For example, this scene:
    http://www.remotecontrolledchaos.com/new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60&Itemid=27

    I love the modeling in this scene but it's very bad lighting and color wise. This feels like a really unpolished gem for me. With the right amount of work it may turn into a kickass scene. Critics:
    * The skybox is very bright, making everything else look dark. That's the same reason why portfolios with dark backgrounds are better than ones with white backgrounds.
    * I can't tell if the scene is textured or not.
    * The fog doesn't match the skybox. Neither does the ambient color, which is purple while the skybox is blue. I personally prefer purple ambient colors for night scenes, but you need to choose one or another.
    * The light sources are placed in a very boring manner, with equal distances between them.
    * I can't tell what the scale is supposed to be in this scene. At first I thought the gates were pretty tall but then I looked at that staircase next to it and noticed that the steps are huge. The staircase suggests that the player model might be slightly taller than those statues. Not epic at all.
    * The trees all look the same and not very interesting silhouette wise. I know you tried something a little different here but the trees are not working. They don't add visual interest to the scene. They don't feel like they belong in there. Some of them are even growing on solid rocks! Again, compare the trees with the statues and the trees will look like small bushes.
    * Is this rendered inside Maya's viewport? If so definitely get this into UDK or Unity and use lightmap tools to take it to the next level.
    * If you take this into UDK/Unity/Cryengine add a subtle direct light (the source could be the moon). This will generate interesting shadows.

    I think that's all for this scene.

    A general critic for your portfolio: Add a little description for each work. Tell your intentions, specs, what engine is it being showcased etc... I really have no idea what exactly you did on the Warhammer house. Did you model all the trees? Is that a piece for a mod?

    Last but not least: Never give up. If you aren't getting a job it's because:
    a) You are looking at the wrong places
    b) You are not good enough (yet)

    Hope that helps and good luck!!

    Hey!

    Thank you for the feedback on that scene. I'm not here to make excuses for it. So much of your critique is just stuff that we were not able to do. LEGO Does not allow the scaling of LEGO bricks, so we were severely limited by doing stuff much more epic than that.

    Only the preview with the lighting is in maya, the rest is in engine. Which was a severely crippled 6 year old version of Gamebryo which had no ability to make any sort of shadows and the lighting technology was extremely rudimentary - all we could use was a single directional light which barely had any noticeable effect.

    As far as lighting / color scheme go. Yeah. I was pretty proud of the lighting in this scene. It reflects the concept art well. I wish I could show the concept art we had to work with. Anyhow. No finger pointing. Thank you for your critique!
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