Carp's M416

JoshC

Hey all, been busy with the rifle and made the initial bakes but I have run into a snag.

Here are the shots from Marmo:






I'm getting some weird artifacting all over but it is most prevelant here on the butt stock and back of the magazine. Thinking I will need to explode the model but just not 100% sure what the problem is. Crits and comments always welcome

Original Post:

So in continuing my hard surface learning's I've decided to tone down a bit and instead of doing another environment I am going to do a rifle. The rifle I chose is the Heckler and Koch model 416 modded. Yes I know not another m4 type rifle but I chose this particular weapon because I have intimate knowledge of the Stoner rifle series (I am a veteran of the Army Infantry).

I'm planning for a base m416 rifle with a 10/ 12 in. barrel. Modes will be a PEQ-15, EOTech 551, Surefire TAC light, and various MAGPUL assorted bits and bobs.

I've already begun work by gathering loads of references from that thing called the internet and my own photos (I have my own M4 as well, really handy for modeling this weapon as it sits in my lap).



So far I have most of the rifle blocked out and am in the beginnings of refining various pieces. Shall have another update soon.

Dagon

I think your magazine needs to be slightly thicker, Maybe it's just the orientation of the camera. Good luck on this it's my favourite weapon

Kosai106

Yeah as Dagon says, your magazine should be thicker, and that too goes for your entire lower and upper receiver.

It's a good start tho.

JoshC

Dagon- Nice find, will widen to better match the rest of the rifle.

Kosai- Also will widen a bit.

Progress continues. Currently working on the heatshield, pistol grip and the Pmag. Will post renders when I finish.

Gnasty

Nice mesh!

Not only is the magazine too thin, but the rifle itself. Check my markings:

JoshC

Small update!!! Refined the pistol grip, Pmag, and Heatshield as well as a few other small items. Going to start work on the Upper receiver block and the lower. I also made them slightly wider if you can notice.

JoshC

New update Back to work on my M416 and managed to get some progress going. Working on finishing up the last touches of the lower receiver and still building on the upper. Fixed some scaling issues and shortened my barrel down to a 10.5 in instead of an 11.5 which to me just make it look cooler. As usual all crits are welcomed.

JoshC

Update, finished work on the lower receiver and I am still working on the upper. Mostly working on finishing up the ejection port, bolt and other small details. Also added more detail to the grip, made the holes for the muzzle, and made many adjustments to the heat-shield. Next up is to finish work on the upper receiver block, the BAD lever, buttstock and charging handle so then I can get to work on all the other mods.

JoshC

Here are some wire shots as well.

JoshC

Been out of action for a few months but I actually have time now to sit down and work. Finished the charging handle, upper receiver block, butt stock, ejection port cover, and some minor tweeks here and there all in the last day. Just need to add some detail to the bolt and work on all the attachments and it's on to the low poly. Crits and comments always welcome.









FPS shot for fun

Oniram

looks like youve got quite a few issues with topology, causing the mesh to stretch and bend in places it isnt supposed to. the grip looks super muddy and its hard to tell whats going on there, and it doesnt quite match up with the shape of the lower part of the body. there are also some small inaccuracies as well. see pic for details

JoshC

Thanks Oniram for the crits. There are quite a few after market parts I'm adding to the rifle such as grips and such. The part where the bolt release is, (the "what's this" you referred to in the paint over) is a Magpul Battery Assist Device or B.A.D. lever. As for the rest , I will hop right on those.

One question though is where did you find the reference? I've been searching for a while on a large side reference to no avail .

Oniram

just a quick google search brought me to this site

http://gunblog.com/hk-mr556a1


just did a search similar on it and came up with this.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hk+m416&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS479US479&biw=1920&bih=955&tbs=simg:CAESEgkbueNzaDj1fSF7zTeT_1AV_1Dg&tbm=isch&iact=hc&vpx=1349&vpy=275&dur=1792&hovh=134&hovw=375&tx=34&ty=224&sig=112736332572928011215&ei=BxUnUNfiJNOHqwG2y4DQCQ&page=1&tbnh=46&tbnw=128&ved=1t:722,r:21,s:0#q=hk+m416&tbnh=46&tbnw=128&um=1&hl=en&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS479US479&sig=112736332572928011215&tbs=simg:CAESEgkbueNzaDj1fSF7zTeT_1AV_1Dg,isz:l&tbm=isch&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=UxUnUIPtFMeW2gWjzoGgAw&ved=0CC8QpwUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=bb5da0f8bfc8fef1&biw=1920&bih=955

JoshC

Thanks again

JoshC

New update. For the last few days I have been making major and minor adjustments to the core m416 to really nail down the details compared to actual references. Things I've added are the screw for the buffer tube and indention under the rail for the upper receiver. Adjustments are numerous but everything I can see is in proportion to real life reference, rail has been completely remade with the indention at the bottom and a proper cutout for the bi-pod hole, holes for the buttstock, and many smoothing corrections. Also added an AO pass in the render shots to show off the details.

Crits and comments always welcome

GidrAL

Looks cool! I like it! Can't wait to see it with attachments
Keep going!

JoshC

Quick update, front and rear sights done

JoshC

New update. Finished the Magpul AFG2 and the tactical lights with mount. Crits and comments always welcome.

ThaSlimShady

Did you post this on NGHS as well? Progress is looking great man! I'm no modeler so I can't really point out anything, though the mag on the last pic seems a bit thin? It could be the view angle ofc.

LowerDef

The Rifle is looking good! I noticed a few very minor issues I'll try and point out:

- The rifle itself looks a little "thin" and the flat section right below the top rails looks like it could be raised a little higher. Same with the bottom rail, that one could go a little lower. Even if it looks spot on with your reference, try a tiny bit of exaggeration on that area, since that's always the distinguishing characteristic for me when comparing an AR and an HK.

- Charging handle looks pretty odd. Is it an aftermarket piece?

- The AFG2 needs a little bit of a flare and curvature at the top. Yours looks flat on the side, it should curve out a bit more and look more like two shapes merging together instead of one solid piece: http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb190/marsh2001/Web%20photos/afg2.jpg

- Mag still looks a little too thin from the front. Also, make sure you model the PMAG Gen 3, since the previous ones don't fit in the 416 due to the magwell design.
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG557/2


Hope that helps! Guns are an OCD subject of mine. Keep up the good work!

JoshC

Slim and Def: The pmag looks a little thin from the front as it tappers about a quarter from the front of the mag. HOWEVER, Def I actually did not know a classic pmag could not fit in a 416, so I will gather some reference and rock out on that right quick and then get back to work on the EOtech. Only problem I for see with the M3 mag is that it isn't actually out yet so finding more then two references will be a pain.

Def: To answer your other questions. For the first I will play around a bit and see what I get. The charging handle is an aftermarket part. It is a M84 Gas Buster Charging Handle with the Military Big Latch from Pri-mounts.

peanut™

ouuuf !! amazing work JoshC, im waiting for the textures.

LowerDef

JoshC wrote: »

Slim and Def: The pmag looks a little thin from the front as it tappers about a quarter from the front of the mag. HOWEVER, Def I actually did not know a classic pmag could not fit in a 416, so I will gather some reference and rock out on that right quick and then get back to work on the EOtech. Only problem I for see with the M3 mag is that it isn't actually out yet so finding more then two references will be a pain.

Okay, cool! As for the Gen 3, It's not terribly different than the gen 2, but there are definitely a few things:

Gen3


And here's a youtube video with an overview so you can see the bottom of the baseplate:

http://youtu.be/nX9KsOP54FI

The waffle pattern looks like it conforms to match the magwell of the 416 a little more than the gen2/ your model, and there's some extra detail as far as notches on the front and back of the mag, dimples for ID paint, and the actual shape of the plastic that matches the 416 magwell. Also, the baseplate at the bottom might be a tad different.

The main thing for me would be the waffle pattern, like in the second pic.

Keep it up!

JoshC

Nice find, and thanks again

SouthpawSid

this is looking sweeet!

JoshC

So after being away to long due to school, I managed to free up some time to finish up the 416. She is 95% done with just a few touchings and some cleanup and then it is off to low poly. Art dump to follow:

Pixelatedkiwi

Lookin really sweet man, great work

JoshC

m1neh

This is a truly awesome highpoly - can't wait to see the bake down to a low poly!

JoshC

Thx Pixel and M1, low poly is in the works.

JoshC

Hey all, been busy with the rifle and made the initial bakes but I have run into a snag.

Here are the shots from Marmo:






I'm getting some weird artifacting all over but it is most prevelant here on the butt stock and back of the magazine. Thinking I will need to explode the model but just not 100% sure what the problem is. Crits and comments always welcome

BobtheGreatII

I dunno. Usually I have to explode my guns in order to bake them without weird artifacts. Also easier to adjust cages and what not. You might give it a shot if no one else has a better suggestion.

Kon Artist

explode or bake it in parts.

Oniram

for those parts it seems like exploding it wont really fix anything.. seems more like a symmetry issue to me.

JoshC

Going to try exploding it and see what I get. There is not seem there which is why I am confused.

SPYFF

Overlapping faces?