Regressing to 2010...
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Didn't want to be one of those guys who resists change. I usually try to embrace it. So I forced myself to move up to 2012. I had some issues with Nitrous, switching to Direct3d fixes most of my problems. But then Direct3d has its own?!
Maybe some of you guys can let me know how many of these issues are just me.
Nitrous:
- 3ds Max crashes when I use caddies while Photoshop is open. Or they just don't pop up. (ATI Radeon Mobility on the latest drivers)
- the 1st Isolate Selection is SUPER slow
- 1st time you bring up the Material Editor is SUPER slow
- If you don't "Apply" your viewport settings they will reset every time you change your view type. Example: Selection Brackets come back on when you switch to wireframe view and back.
- Wireframes don't display like they used to. They are super fuzzy.
- I have a toolbar button for "Display Selected with Edged Faces" and it is broken in Nitrous.
- 3point Shader not supported in Nitrous
- Nitrous does not accurately represent Specular within the viewport. A gray shader with a specular of 50 looks more like a specular of 30.
2012 Related:
- The "Cap" tool within the Graphite Modeling tools, otherwise known as "Create Polygon" in the Customize menu, used to allow you to create a polygon through any number of edges so long as you weren't going around a corner... you could even cap with it. In 2012, both Nitrous and Direct3d, it only allows you to create a polygon between 2 edges and sometimes 3. Don't know if this was broken in 2011. In 2010 you could do anything with it.
I would love to know if anyone has a fix for the last two. I have all service packs and hotfixes installed. And to be honest I didn't get very far into unwrapping before noticing that relax tool. So I don't know how many other tools are possibly broken within the unwrap.
Didn't want to be one of those guys who resists change. I usually try to embrace it. So I forced myself to move up to 2012. I had some issues with Nitrous, switching to Direct3d fixes most of my problems. But then Direct3d has its own?!
Maybe some of you guys can let me know how many of these issues are just me.
Nitrous:
- 3ds Max crashes when I use caddies while Photoshop is open. Or they just don't pop up. (ATI Radeon Mobility on the latest drivers)
- the 1st Isolate Selection is SUPER slow
- 1st time you bring up the Material Editor is SUPER slow
- If you don't "Apply" your viewport settings they will reset every time you change your view type. Example: Selection Brackets come back on when you switch to wireframe view and back.
- Wireframes don't display like they used to. They are super fuzzy.
- I have a toolbar button for "Display Selected with Edged Faces" and it is broken in Nitrous.
- 3point Shader not supported in Nitrous
- Nitrous does not accurately represent Specular within the viewport. A gray shader with a specular of 50 looks more like a specular of 30.
2012 Related:
- The "Cap" tool within the Graphite Modeling tools, otherwise known as "Create Polygon" in the Customize menu, used to allow you to create a polygon through any number of edges so long as you weren't going around a corner... you could even cap with it. In 2012, both Nitrous and Direct3d, it only allows you to create a polygon between 2 edges and sometimes 3. Don't know if this was broken in 2011. In 2010 you could do anything with it.
I would love to know if anyone has a fix for the last two. I have all service packs and hotfixes installed. And to be honest I didn't get very far into unwrapping before noticing that relax tool. So I don't know how many other tools are possibly broken within the unwrap.
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I had several times issues with ATI in the past esspecially with Max, Flint, Mudbox and some other 3d CG apps- just broken results and a horrible catalyst driver that tries to hook into the system, crashes or does misbehave in other ways. With the nVidia drivers I can disable any UI- running services or apps as they are not mandatory for the 'drivers' and or cause things to crash or not work.
It's several years ago now but I still have the same nvidia card, never had a single problem with it
But Mobility Radeon...totally different thing. stay far far far away from them!
personally i do the bulk of my work in 2009 because caddies deserve a horrible, painful death. 2009 for modeling, 2012 for viewport presentation.
2) You might want to check out "Step Build" in Graphite Modeling, it sounds like it has the functionality you're looking for. You should read the tooltip, there is a lot it does by holding various key combinations.
As far as I know cap has only worked to close entire holes and can't operate specifically between two edges, maybe you're thinking of "Bridge"?
Create Polygon creates a Polygon with selected verts as corners, the cap tool just slaps a polygon onto holes^^
Okay! Okay! Going Nvidia next time... This was actually my first ATI.
As for the Cap thing... I know I sound crazy but it is true!
Which is the reason I am sorta pissed about it. It is a crazy hybrid between bridge, cap, and create poly. You get the best of everything all in one tool.
It was a pretty amazing tool back when it worked.
Pretty interesting conversation over on The Area. People are addressing some of the problems.
http://area.autodesk.com/forum/autodesk-3ds-max/autodesk-3ds-max--3ds-max-design-2012/relax-tool-broken-in-direct3d-among-other-things-in-nitrous/
Yeah I am slowly learning things and I plan on delving into it a lot more once I actually graduate (hate using that term here, lets people know I am noob >.<). Trying to finish up my portfolio and that is definitely what I plan on doing.
As for why I don't use 2011... Kinda what perna said. They all have their issues, and I can't get over the caddy issue in 2011. At least they sorta made them useable in 2012. And I know a there is a way around it... I guess I just don't really mind 2010. I feel like the only thing 2010 doesn't have is the slate editor... and I really don't make materials enough that I need it.
I am staying in 2012 atm. because the main reason I was going to switch out was because I thought they broke the relax tool in the UVW Unwrap... but it was just a common issue of PEBCAK.
The differences between 2009 and 2012 that I have a hard time living without.
- Retopo tools
- Conform brush
- Object Paint
- Slate
- Substance Materials
- Viewport Canvas
- CAT
- Swift loop
- Dot Ring/Loop
- GeoPoly
- Quadrify
- Branch
- UV editor improvements
- Peel
- Explode by Mat ID, by smoothing, by face angle.
- Point to point seam selection
- Straighten selection (gridify shells)
- Flatten horiz/vert
- Groups
- Rescale Elements
- Gizmo improvements (specifically select vert when snaps are on)
- Snap improvements
- Shift click selects loops or rings
- Composite
- ProSound
- Functioning caddy system (behaves like the old system, just looks different)
All of those things don't seem like much on their own and some of them where broken or poorly implemented in 2010 and 2011 but now that the service packs are out for 2012 things are pretty smooth and I like it.I agree with this completely... I guess from what I understand is most people running 2009 had polyboost so they still had the "graphite tools."
I guess all these new versions did is get rid of my need for scripts I already had.
Wrapit and TexTools covers most of those. I am settling in 2012... I am pretty sure that the rough part is finally over. No more rewriting of tools and viewports... so hopefully it will just be new features from here on out!
I guess the only thing they haven't screwed with is the modifier panel...
dun dun duuuuuuun!
personally Id prefer it if they took a long hard look at the workflows in max and refined them more. Graphite is adding a metric ton of new tools alot of which can be condensed into (to quote perna) 'smart tools'
In 2009+polyboost the viewport canvas had a ton of potential when it came out but was horrific. The brush had major performance issues, it would stutter, skip and grid the viewport to a halt. It was missing some of the new features that now make it great, like the clone brush, layers and tablet pressure.
I wouldn't use the old viewport canvas but I use the upgraded 2011+ version all the time for a lot of things, its fast flexible and reliable which the old version isn't.
Polyboost also would cause a lot of memory leaks which lead to crashes, which have now been fixed. It had issues with its own undo buffer which wasn't sorted out until 2011.
Personally I still like the compacted window that polyboost used instead of the ribbon. The old window looked ugly and it was a pain to learn what button did what, but it was fast. The ribbon takes up a lot of space and wastes the space it uses. The great thing about the ribbon is the expanded tool tips which is great for learning what the tools do, then get annoying once you have it figured out heh, thankfully in 2011 they allowed you to mute the tooltips.
I also have a copy of wrapit for home use and it rocks, however my employer is always a little leery of buying and depending on 3rd party scripts and plug-ins. We use a few, but they don't like loading up on them.
With a new version of max hitting the street every April-ish its a pain in the ass to install all those old scripts only to find out many of them have become unstable or need to be recompiled and the script author has fallen off the planet. At least if its inside 3dsmax they are obliged to fix it and keep it working long after the authors enthusiasm fades.