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Nebraska nuclear plant: The next Fukushima?

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Definitely a bit concerning.

This guy is planning to go there and take measurements with a geiger counter.

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  • eld
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    eld polycounter lvl 18
    Call zerohedge!! the safety of the world depends on it!
  • RexM
    xD Who's zerohedge?


    Anyways, doesn't it seem a little bit concerning to you? I don't see how any cooling pumps could operate if they're completely shorted out.

    Of course some good news is that the plant has been in cold shutdown since April. That begs the question though... if it has been in cold shutdown since April, then why is the airspace above closed?
  • eld
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    From what I recall the coolingsystem for the pools were shut down but back online after 1.5 hours.

    As for the no-flight zone, I'd guess security reasons that they don't wish to be detailed on, lots of people do want to fly over there and see what's going on.

    The guy in the video did do his readings btw, he hasn't found anything but background radiation.
  • RexM
    Yeah, probably.

    Ah, that's good about the background radiation.



    It's terrible how the flood has destroyed thousands of acres of farm land though... that's bad.
  • LMP
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    RexM wrote: »
    then why is the airspace above closed?

    Simple, All Nuclear Plants are a no-fly zone, and have been since 9/11.
  • RexM
    LMP wrote: »
    Simple, All Nuclear Plants are a no-fly zone, and have been since 9/11.

    I don't think that's true... a google search for that just shows the Nebraska nuclear plant.

    If it was already a no-fly zone, then the FAA wouldn't have had to declare it a no-fly zone.

    http://wenewsit.com/2011/06/faa-declares-no-fly-zone-directly-over-crippled-nebraska-nuclear-plant-but-claims-everything-is-just-fine/
  • r_fletch_r
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    why take a risk, declaring it as a no fly zone makes perfect sense. If there is even a small chance of a leak then you make provisions for it.
  • rolfness
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    dont you guys have anything better to do ?
  • Wahlgren
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    LMP wrote: »
    Simple, All Nuclear Plants are a no-fly zone, and have been since 9/11.
    The answer rex wants is the illuminati and aliens. Especially the illuminati aliens. Those guys suck.
  • rolfness
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    Wahlgren wrote: »
    The answer rex wants is the illuminati and aliens. Especially the illuminati aliens. Those guys suck.

    lol
  • greevar
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    I never liked centralized energy production. It's too easy to create a catastrophe if something where to happen to the plant. It's much more efficient to put smaller energy production methods directly at the point of use. As in, solar, wind, etc. combined at each and every home and office rather than pumping fuel 24/7 while wasting it in off-peak hours. This just leads to Chernobyl, Fukushima, and others like it.
  • Ace-Angel
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    All those are not feasible automatically as much as we would like.

    In certain places in EU, you have literally the power of small nuclear plant being used to power all those fancy door bells which ring in ways which they shouldn't ring in the first place and for some bloody reason are on standby (I'm hyperboling it naturally).

    What I mean is that if we're wasting energy on stuff that's not important, how the hell would green energy every help us? We're past that, green energy can help us 'by the sides', but we're better off bulking up our quality on nuclear power at this point.
  • ZacD
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    greevar wrote: »
    I never liked centralized energy production. It's too easy to create a catastrophe if something where to happen to the plant. It's much more efficient to put smaller energy production methods directly at the point of use. As in, solar, wind, etc. combined at each and every home and office rather than pumping fuel 24/7 while wasting it in off-peak hours. This just leads to Chernobyl, Fukushima, and others like it.


    So a local "disaster" like like a rainy day or an overcast windless day could leave a small town unpowered? Currently there is NO efficient or cheap way to store enough energy for even a small town for even a few hours, energy is either used or wasted. The only 10% of our power can come from unstable sources like wind or solar, and coal plants have to constantly adjust their output to to offset the variation in wind and solar power being generated. Even a temporary storage system (I'm talking about leveling out power out put over an hour at most), would greatly benefit and be more practical in our current energy grid. But in the status quo, wind farms and solar plants do have to shut down if there is too much variation over and under powering the energy grid.

    I have none, 0, zlitch problems with nuclear power, all of the nuclear disasters combined are no worse than the massive amounts of radiation coal plants generate every hour, even if we didn't store the waste from nuclear power plants, it would still be putting out less radiation than coal. Coal = mining accidents, global warming, acid rain, etc, a lot worse than those over blown nuclear "catastrophes."
  • Mark Dygert
    RexM wrote: »
    Yeah, probably.

    Ah, that's good about the background radiation.



    It's terrible how the flood has destroyed thousands of acres of farm land though... that's bad.
    You shouldn't be too sad about it, events like this are what made that land so fertile in the past. Now we just dump massive amounts of nitrates on any chunk of land and bam! you've got fertile ground.

    If we actually understood a bit more about the environment we would realize we build in some pretty stupid places and fail to accurately over plan when building things like levies and nuke plants. So many levies where made 50-70 years ago and everyone nervous when they really start to hold back water.

    If you're lively hood is going to depend on an outdated flood prevention system maybe your community should pull together and make sure they can handle double or whatever the highest record has been.

    With nuke plants they should have so many fail safe systems and automatic entombment options that will outlast the radiation, withstand the most powerful earthquakes and take a direct hit from a ICBM...

    Seriously people if you're going to put that much money into building this stuff and depend on it so much why not build it to last instead of build it to make a short term profit and put everyone in danger.
  • Jeremy Wright
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    greevar wrote: »
    It's much more efficient to put smaller energy production methods directly at the point of use.

    No, it isn't. Right now, it isn't even possible, unless you want to cover your house in solar panels and blanket your lawn with windmills. That is of course, if you can even get a decent collection of either wind or sun at your location, and that is ignoring the HUGE cost of said technologies.

    One day, we may get a considerable amount of our energy from wind and solar, but we're still a long way off, and when we do get there, it will still employ large, centralized power generation (wind farms and solar arrays).
  • ZacD
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    8FtSpider wrote: »
    No, it isn't. Right now, it isn't even possible, unless you want to cover your house in solar panels and blanket your lawn with windmills. That is of course, if you can even get a decent collection of either wind or sun at your location, and that is ignoring the HUGE cost of said technologies.

    One day, we may get a considerable amount of our energy from wind and solar, but we're still a long way off, and when we do get there, it will still employ large, centralized power generation (wind farms and solar arrays).

    Solar is actually affordable to most people if half of your roof faces the "right way" with tax benefits and reduction in energy costs. Normally you save more a month than you have to play back from the cost of the panels. A lot of solar companies have installation + payment plans than end up saving you $50-100 a month, plus even more once its payed back after 3-5 years.
  • greevar
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    ZacD wrote: »
    So a local "disaster" like like a rainy day or an overcast windless day could leave a small town unpowered? Currently there is NO efficient or cheap way to store enough energy for even a small town for even a few hours, energy is either used or wasted. The only 10% of our power can come from unstable sources like wind or solar, and coal plants have to constantly adjust their output to to offset the variation in wind and solar power being generated. Even a temporary storage system (I'm talking about leveling out power out put over an hour at most), would greatly benefit and be more practical in our current energy grid. But in the status quo, wind farms and solar plants do have to shut down if there is too much variation over and under powering the energy grid.

    I have none, 0, zlitch problems with nuclear power, all of the nuclear disasters combined are no worse than the massive amounts of radiation coal plants generate every hour, even if we didn't store the waste from nuclear power plants, it would still be putting out less radiation than coal. Coal = mining accidents, global warming, acid rain, etc, a lot worse than those over blown nuclear "catastrophes."

    No, I'm not talking about creating fields of solar arrays or massive wind farms to power entire municipalities. I'm talking about putting small residential-friendly systems that each power a home or office separately. Solar and wind will never replace nuclear or coal as a centralized system, but they can serve as a decentralized system. So much energy is wasted just getting it to your home and it has to burn fuel 24/7 whether it's being used or not. That's just a huge waste. Putting that burden on solar and wind would fail.

    It would be far better to produce the energy where it's consumed, with smaller, less wasteful systems. With a home-installed system, the energy can be stored for later use when wind and solar aren't working at peak. Your roof provides all the square footage you need to provide your home with the power it needs, if you diversify your energy production between wind and solar. And despite common belief, cloudy days do not inhibit solar energy that significantly. As far as wind goes, there is always enough wind to produce energy if you have the right equipment. A traditional windmill is not good enough. You need a helical wind mill that takes all wind from every direction to fit the need. If you put those two together, it will work.

    I think that nuclear and coal plants are both bad and they should both go away. Centralized energy distribution systems should go away altogether. It's inefficient and wasteful.

    @8Ft Spider

    You are severely underestimating the ability of solar and wind power. People who have solar panels actually produce a surplus of energy and typically sell that back to the energy company. We are not a long way off. People have been claiming that for decades now and given that the technology has come as far as it has, puts that assumption to doubt. "One day" won't come if people keep saying it has to be better before they'll take it seriously. That attitude will guarantee it never happens. If you look for it, there are affordable products for solar and wind out there and you get to compare that cost against what you'd be paying for the utility and the impact on the environment.

    Anyway, coming back from a tangent, centralized power plants are a danger to everyone because they are just one natural disaster away from spreading all that toxic material into the ecosystem. Coal plants do it constantly, but at a slower pace.
  • Mark Dygert
    8FtSpider wrote: »
    No, it isn't. Right now, it isn't even possible, unless you want to cover your house in solar panels and blanket your lawn with windmills. That is of course, if you can even get a decent collection of either wind or sun at your location, and that is ignoring the HUGE cost of said technologies.

    One day, we may get a considerable amount of our energy from wind and solar, but we're still a long way off, and when we do get there, it will still employ large, centralized power generation (wind farms and solar arrays).
    I've seen some fuel cell talk about making power more localized. I think Google even has a few shipping cargo container sized Biofuel Cells that help power one of their buildings.

    Also there is a lot of work being done to reduce the size of nuclear facilities, making them safer, self contained because of the lower output required. I read an article saying that some micro nuke plants could be as small as a garage, be placed under a house and provide heat, cooling and power to the house and in the case of a total meltdown be safely contained. Of course people are so paranoid about nuclear power that a lot of people would never go for it, so they're probably better off going with biofuel cells.

    There is a lot of work being done to localize power. A lot of power gets wasted because it has to be transported at time of demand. If you can localize generation with minimal transference loss and even control generation to scale with the localized need you won't need crazy energy markets doing insane things to avoid brown outs.

    You should also check out the flexible solar panels, and the work being done on solar panel paint. You might not have to bolt bulky panels... If between all of these things you can lessen or even make yourself energy independent then its a win for you.
  • RexM
    Wahlgren wrote: »
    The answer rex wants is the illuminati and aliens. Especially the illuminati aliens. Those guys suck.

    ...huh...?

    What the hell would that have to do with a river flooding....? What's an 'illuminati', btw?
  • Mark Dygert
    Read and or watch Angles and Demons by that nutter that wrote the Davinci Code.

    In short a secret group that secretly runs the world, from secret locations, that is so good at keeping secrets that you've been told about them before but they've gotten to you...
  • Will Faucher
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    Read and or watch Angles and Demons by that nutter that wrote the Davinci Code.

    In short a secret group that secretly runs the world, from secret locations, that is so good at keeping secrets that you've been told about them before but they've gotten to you...
    Except, the Illuminati aren't fictional. Well, they weren't, anyway.
  • MattQ86
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    The Illuminati are basically a bunch of Barvarian "free thinkers" (read: beta-hippies) from the late 1770s. Like the hippies of the 1970s they mysteriously seemed to disappear entirely soon after. I can only guess they became the beta-yuppies of the 1780s, cutting up lines of coke with their ducats and listening to Flock of Seagulls.

    Also during the late 1970s a pair of Playboy editors attached the name of the group to their series of satirical books about fictional libertarians going around solving mysteries.
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