Study Group - Environment
polycounter lvl 14
Hey guys. This is the thread for feedback and critique of environment art. Everyone is welcome to post ideas but please refrain from posting outside work if you are not currently assigned to the group.
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Things to do: Ceiling, floor debris, grime decals, misc children's toys, candle flames
@aajohnny : look great , are using shaders for rendering this ? or just max render ?
now move to an environment
aajohnny : Looks like a good start again, but lacks contrast and colour change which is really letting the pieces down I think.
ayoub44 : Lie I said on Skype, fantastic start, but if you wan to take it further (and I think you should ) You should adding a bit more of a chasis and add some detail to those tracks. Are you texturing this?
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Working on a little personal project for the past week or so, not had much time on it yet. I'm sure most of you have seen this guild wars 2 concept - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6530525/GuildWars2.jpg
I've still got to finish texturing the stones, and I'm going to be adding some colour variation in the material along with some decals to get rid of the repetitive features. Which lighting do you guys prefer?
Oh and heres some shots of the assets, showing without photosource and with (note without photosource is too strong, this is so it shows through the photosource),
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6530525/AncientsScene_TexturePainting.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6530525/AncientsScene_TexturePhotos.jpg
hope to see more about this soon
Ayoub This thing is great, are you going to make a low poly/texture?
here's what ive got. rifle finished.
with a turntable.
http://vimeo.com/24523883
ayoub44 - Your hotdog cart's cloth top looks like something threw a blanket over the top. The tops are more tailored. You can still cloth sim on something you model more of.
http://www.acewelds.com/pics_misc/hot_dog_cart3.jpg
http://obrag.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/hot-dog-cart.jpg
myles - I don't know how strongly you want to follow that concept art, but the proportions of some of the circles is off. All of yours have the same (or very nearly) inner diameter, but the concept has a lot of variance.
I prefer lighting 2, since it looks more like the concept and lighting 1 feels to dark to me.
Oniram - That is one sweet looking rifle. I notice you have a few scratches, but they are very light.
To all - More work coming on the demon school. Will post it soon, once I get a few more bits modeled.
igi Good design, I can't really think of how to improve it off the top of my head, I'm interested to see how you break it down in the low though
Silent Hill Environment:
As a child, Silent Hill was always one of the prominent games that essentially both influenced my art style and my love of horror games. The environment itself below is only inspired by the games and is still in very early stages of development.
I started off with a modular section of the levels environment. This boosts my workflow and my imagination for the better in terms of the development. The floor and walls have a vertex shader applied, meaning I can paint on different grunge darker silent hill style textures over the cleaner tiles.
Vertex Shader:
Fences (to be textured with an alpha map):
As I said, this is a heavy work in progress, I'm going to begin by blocking out, and doing a very simple paint over of what I'd like to be in the scene.
Let me know what you think!
- Scott 'Sythen' Baker.
*UPDATE*
More screenshots:
I remember in SH2-3 a lot of sections had a kind of wet look as if there was a fire that was recently put out there and the walls and floor are still a bit damp...
Here is a shot of my rubbish project I was working.
The lighting was a work in progress and I ran out of time texturing... in fact I really need to do some UV unwrapping and texture painting tutorials as it turns out they gave me a massive headache.
Scene was a lot bigger... can post up some pics if you want to be tortured.
Nice to see everyone's work coming along.
At the moment I am faced with a problem. I am trying to create foliage but when I mask out things like grass, I get hard jagged edges in game and it ruins the mood. I was wondering if anyone knows why this might be? I have tried the alpha mask in both opacity and opacitymasked and all the blending modes but still come up with jagged edges at a distance or when moving. What's your process of doing things like this?
My grass (left) next to udk grass (right). See how much smoother theirs is.
Thank you!
Zack Dembinski
also you could take a look at the udk material and see what they're doing different?
I would like to get it into UDK at some point so I can have a wander through it etc...
However, right now, I spent quite a while doing that, I ended up getting irked when I couldn't figure out the textures
I am going to give that scene a break for now and work on something else and go back to it when I have had a breather...
Edit:
Zack Dembinski
That, and there's also some options in the material editor / world options that you might want to play with like Modulate-Better etc...If I remember correctly that helps out with the shadows in between grass blades etc. Not sure if that'll help your situation but you can give it a shot.
Most engines read alphas as hard-edged, no matter how smooth you make the edges appear in a paint program.
The engines that do have alpha smoothing don't require smooth-edged alphas either, they just have different alpha rendering techniques.
The only way to get softer edges would be through the shader nodes for that material in UDK in this case.
C&C! =D
- Scott 'Sythen' Baker.
Zack Dembinski
good luck
I got my ceiling working and some debris from said ceiling on the floor.
you just using a bump offset on the different rings on the floor, or do you got a plane above it.
I'm not part of the study group, but I'd like to mention that your ceiling is very odd for a classroom. It looks like tiles glued onto a very low concrete slab, which is very weird - I've never seen any class like that, and it leads me to wonder where the light fixtures would go (update: well I suppose they'd work like this). There is usually a space between the ceiling you see and the actual structural ceiling. I forget what they call it, but you've seen it. It's not a crawl space exactly, but utilities often run through there. Here's an example.
An acceptable quick fix could be if the partially tiled concrete ceiling you have were higher, with exposed pipes, vents, and light fixtures suspended below. Like this.
floating ceiling is the word your looking for, used for everything from air circulation to a place to run pipes and cabling un-seen. makes it easier to get lighting put in to.
trancerbot - this is supposed to be an older school. I'm using reference from an abandoned school damaged by a fire. Here you can see the ceiling is indeed made up of tiled attached to a concrete ceiling. More modern schools use the drop ceilings you mentioned.
Any tips with the Alpha love? I really need nail a better texture on the alphas of that fence.
Yeah, I was starting to realize that. Still, it could still work and I doubt many people would think about it.
Yeah, that's the word.
That jaggy shadow is being cast by the plants in the window. If you look at the other window's shadow on the board it is really smooth. The last thing, this is quick lighting. I haven't actually done a 'production quality' lighting build yet.
Also steam group is up message me on steam for an invite Perfectblue. http://steamcommunity.com/groups/PolyCount_StudyGroup