GUNS Project

gibson543

Hey, so I've decided my path as a 3d artist, and thats a hard surface artist for vehicles, statics and weapons. And so, I figured that since a hard surface artist needs to be good at subdivision modeling obviously, I figured I'd need to improve. And this thread Is going to be some improvement for me.

I'm going to create 3 guns. From start to finish. One real life and two from concepts. Thanks to EQ for giving them to me.

The first one is a paintball gun, my friends and I were planning on going paint balling over spring break and it gave me the idea to model one. This will actually be cool for me because I'm going to use this as an opportunity to test 3point shader, so the entire thing is gonna be one smoothing group.



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theres my main ref, I like the shapes on this one, and I have other refs for bits that aren't on these, like the plastic things for the top and bottom, you can tell by my vocab I have no idea what I'm talking about I already have some progress on this, and while it's small, I wanted to have some art to show so I could start this thread, and not just plans. And also to see if you guys think my edges are too hard or whatever


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so yeah theres that.

And the next gun is a concept made by Timur Mutsaev, thanks to EQ for the concept


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I'm planning on having this guy be my first attempt at object space normals, they look ssooo cool



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again, thanks EQ lol and uh yeah this is cool, gonna need to do some experimenting with this one. Concept made by an artist named Talros

So yeah, theres my project for you, pretty big undertaking, by I hope to get at least one of these guns done lol, thanks

sneakymcfox

Everything looks good so far, can't wait to see some of these finished.

ayoub44

great start man , show more ..

Sakunia

I love the last image. good luck with it .

Psyk0

I remember seeing the last one from the Athena mod, i liked the concept a lot but never got around to modeling it. Good luck!

gibson543

sneakymcfox - thanks, I can't wait either hehe

ayoub - thanks man, more coming soon

Sakunia & Psyk0 - Yeah the last concept is sick, I wish I knew the concept artist who made it, ah well thanks guys



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well the handle is done, not much progress just because the geo was so fucked on the last pic I decided to redo it entirely. Might have to tweak some stuff later but for now I think this is done. Time to move onto the next part

ayoub44

this look good , but in next time ... you should make your floating object don't cast shadows on render .. good luck

gibson543

hehe yeah that'd be a good idea, I just gotta figure out how to do that in modo's renderer. still learning

EarthQuake

Block out your entire mesh! You're adding floaters and final detailing before the rest of the model's proportions are worked out. Do a quick blockout(can be messy geometry) to nail your proportions. This should always be the first step, and can save you a lot of trouble when you're trying to tweak proportions on dense, detailed meshes.

JubbyJub

@ gibson - Talros is the artist who made it http://talros.deviantart.com/art/M124-concept-181276645?q=boost%3Apopular%20in%3Agameart%2F2dgame%2Fweapons&qo=5

Pedro Amorim

EarthQuake wrote: »

Block out your entire mesh! You're adding floaters and final detailing before the rest of the model's proportions are worked out. Do a quick blockout(can be messy geometry) to nail your proportions. This should always be the first step, and can save you a lot of trouble when you're trying to tweak proportions on dense, detailed meshes.

what he said!

gibson543

EQ & Pedro - yeah I was trying to avoid a blockout hehe not my favorite part of modeling but w.e I'm doing one anyway just cuz you mentioned it, thanks

JubbyJub - Hey thanks for the link man!, I'll update the first post with proper credit given.



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okay so not my most exciting or big update, but meh figure I should at least show something whenever I post a response

gibson543

so yeah the previous update was obviously pointless because im done with the block lol

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gibson543

hookay so done with the basic shapes for the high poly all the pieces are turbosmoothed up and now i just add some more details and floaters



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edit: better render

roosterMAP

dont use pure black backgrounds.

bbob

roosterMAP wrote: »

dont use pure black backgrounds.

Gonna elaborate a little on this, because I see this advice often without the explanation why.

The reason is that you lose the silhouette in the shadows, unless you got some rim-lighting going on. The same goes for white backgrounds, if you do not contain your highlights inside the perimeter of the silhouette.

gibson543

yeah good idea guys, I'll be sticking with clayish renders for the wip shots now, previous post updated, happy easter

EarthQuake

I'm a little confused here, your concept has all sorts of nice round cylindrical shapes, but you seem to have modeled this as if it was made of flat boxy planes.

This is always weird to me when i see it, like people get obsessed with "box modeling" everything must be modeled from a box and manually shaped, when 90% of the shapes in the concept are simply cylindrical shapes.

This is the sort of thing you should be working out with basic cylindrical primitive shapes in your blockout, and then go back and remodel with more geometry so you can deal with all the cool cylindrical intersections. Instead it looks like you just made a quick blocky blockout, and then added some supporting edges to that and called it done.

gibson543

well when i checked out some other pics of the same type of gun it looked relatively flat to me, but when I made the shape more cylindrical, I think it looks more interesting definitely, and I changed the shape of the piece on top of the grip, was just looking stupid before, I hope this is better



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bbob

dude, check out the angles of the surface on the front grip/CO2 line casing, it bulges and does a lot of neat things on your ref. Be more anal. Same with the barrel. The devil is in the subtleties..

EarthQuake

The pistol grip as well, in the ref its nice and round, but here its got these hard edge planar shapes.

Honestly just stick to your ref, try to match it as closely as possible, it is still way off in a lot of areas. Being able to work from references and concepts and produce an accurate model is a super super important skill to have.

gibson543

ok so first time gun is not going to well, gotta improve

bbob - ok made those changes, thanks man I'll try to be more aware of details

earthquake - i know, I'm really terrible with that now, would you mind pointing out any specific inaccuracies you see?

Well new render, not much change added some detail



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gibson543

ok so not much of a huge update, but I was messing around with modo's renderer and I thought this looked cool



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Stromberg90

Try not to start messing with materials before you are done modeling, easy to fall into the trap of using way to much time on it."Trust me I know "

As EQ said it still looks to flat and boxy, the real thing has really soft shapes.

I have highlighted a part here that looks like 2 plates in the reference, that you have modeled as a solid shape.


Keep on working

gibson543

I see what you're saying heheand that peace you circled is actually one solid shape, it just looks like two different plates from that pic, if you look at other refs of that same piece, you'lll notice it is one solid piece, and I'm still trying to get it less boxy and softer >.<

gibson543

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final render

ixnay

i have such a hard time starting any guns especially getting the handles. i have no idea why, i use max know all the basics all the tools just i get stuck when i have to start.

anyways awesome stuff so far!