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Has Gawker Media shot their own blogs in the foot?

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Since the recent layout redesign of most of Gawker Media's blogs (Jalopnik, io9, lifehacker, Gizmodo, Kotaku) to that utterly horrible right-side panel setup, I've been finding myself less and less inclined to visit their blogs. A number of people I've talked to recently have said the same thing.

This is a shame, cause I really like their blogs, especially when I have them and their counterparts (Autoblog, Engadget, Joystiq, Neatorama) to read. I really wonder if this broad-reaching redesign was well thought out. The layout seems like a poorly done smartphone or tablet page, and is actually rather counter-intuitive to reading (either as a normal web page or as a blog). As far as I've seen, there's no option to 'go back' to a normal blog layout.

What's your take on this design change?

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  • Andreas
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    Thats your opinion. I like the new Kotaku. Bigger images.
  • Joao Sapiro
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    i think it is confusing and counter-intuitive , i didnt see anything wrong with the previous layout.
  • Stinger88
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    Its crap. I hate it. I've stopped going as much because of it.
  • Tom Ellis
    Agreed, terrible, terrible layout.

    I normally embrace facelifts and while it might take a day to get used to, if a site has a new interface that improves it's usability and navigation, then I'm all for it.

    In this case, they've just ruined it. It's not so much about appearance, it's about the interface, which should be intuitive and easy to use. It took me a good few minutes to figure out how to look through past articles, and even when I figured it out, I didn't like how it worked.

    I've now abandoned the actual websites completely and anything Gawker I'm only reading through RSS on my phone or Google Reader.

    If anyone else is having the same problems and doesn't already use RSS, I recommend Google Reader on your computer, or 'Pulse' if you have an iPhone / iPad... add the feeds and you get the same news articles in full, without the crap new interface.
  • Yozora
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    Nothing has changed for RSS feeds so it pretty much has no effect on me.
  • [HP]
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    This new design is so tweaked for the ipad I don't even...
  • kanga
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    If the layout is so upsetting would that say something about the content?
  • Steve Schulze
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    The Aussie sites still use the original layout. We don't have i09 or Jalopnik, but Kotaku, Gizmodo and Lifehacker all look like they always have. There are probably other internatianal sits that haven't been updated if you don't want the semi-Australia centric content.
    http://www.kotaku.com.au/
  • Del
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    ~ I prefer the image displaying, because you can flick through images quickly. Everything else is lame.

    My biggest issue is with font. Times New Roman? Seriously? In 2011??
  • PogoP
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    I too dislike the new layout. You can press the view button at the top to change it so it's sorta similar to the old layout.. But it's still worse.
  • eld
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    And where the hell is my scrollbar?
  • TortillaChips
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    I guess most of it is due to not liking such a big change like this, but I find kotaku a bit of a pain now. One news story is too in your face and the other stories are just bunched in a column.
  • praetus
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    I just ended up hitting the button in the top right corner. it reset the layout to something like how it was. Unfortunately the right scrollbar remains and it killed some of the text in io9 articles.
  • Mark Dygert
    meh, I'm not a big fan of it, but at some point I'll slowly gravitate to not caring.
    It still comes up as a bunch of text links on my phone so at least I'm not stuck looking at only the top story.

    Edit: praetus Oh blog view, nice! They should default to that.
  • Zephiris
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    I hate the new layout with passion.

    But not all hope is lost, there's still http://kotaku.com/#!classic . Though I still liked the old one much better. Maybe I'll just read it via RSS from now as well.
  • thomasp
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    yeah i'm not a fan of the layout either and have definitely cut down on visits to kotaku but it's a far cry from engadget's makeover for me.

    i had to kick engadget out of my bookmarks altogether, the site is almost unvisitable on my laptop - it chugs along and gets the fans to kick into high gear. i suspect they make my machine crunch setiœhome packages in the background. i wonder how it runs on - you know... actual gadgets? ;)
  • haikai
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    I stopped reading Kotaku a few years ago more because I disliked how they couldn't present any news item without lacing it with snarky opinions (even moreso than blogs normally do), but I just checked it out after reading this thread...

    The format doesn't bother me, but the way it works does. I'm not a fan of these "endless" pages. I think I first saw it with the Bing images search which is now what Google images uses too. I can see how it can be a good idea sometimes, but it's difficult for me to get a sense of how much content I'm going through. Especially when there are no scroll bars as in the case of this Kotaku layout and I can't quickly jump to about where I thought I saw an interesting post, but didn't click on it the first time through.

    Or maybe I just don't know how to use the internet anymore! :poly124:
  • odium
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    Yeah I have to use Classic, I refuse to use the default view which is utterly terrible... But even with Classic view its still not amazing.

    It also doesn't work on the PS3, which is a bit of an arse as sometimes I like to relax in the evening in front of the TV and browse a few dailies.

    Total balls up IMO.
  • ericdigital
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    I think the new layout is terrible. It seems like its specifically made for tablets. The mouse scroll wheel section on the right just doesn't feel right to me and overall it feels like there trying to go for this kind of like new york times feel or something.

    bummer :(
  • Firecracker197
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    The first post on the first day of the layout change had a link about changing it, but eventually you know that wont work after awhile.

    I just don't like how they make you have your mouse over a specific part in order to scroll down, I usually don't pay attention to where my mouse is when I'm trying to read a site.
  • Habboi
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    Classic, ad-block and it's not so bad.
  • ZacD
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    The titles are so vague how am I suppose to know what the article is about without clicking it, and waiting for it to glitch and load.
  • Justin Meisse
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    yeah, I've sort of migrated to Rock, Paper, Shotgun in the last few days.
  • Artifice
    haikai wrote: »
    I stopped reading Kotaku a few years ago more because I disliked how they couldn't present any news item without lacing it with snarky opinions (even moreso than blogs normally do)

    This. I gave up on Kotaku years back and haven't suffered for lack of information. Maybe the horrible layout change will make people realize that there are better places to get their news. Poor writing + poor design = go somewhere else.
  • moose
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    reader.google.com

    subscribe to their feeds

    win.

    Their new layout is a lot nicer for reading imo. the comments section is a little cluttered between the article & comments, and comments & footer tho. messy. Wish they would make the comments a slightly darker gray color so that the article is more prominent. Even tho the writing and content is generally shit, would still clean it up some.
  • Autocon
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    I know a lot of people are resistant to change but this change is horrible. Makes traversing the site so much more complicated. I really could care less about the "important" story's there editors wright being front and center. I want to skim through all the news and find the articles I want to read.

    I will only browse the site by adding /classic to the end and still that view isnt as great as it use to be.

    If they wanted to change the site somehow they should have had there editors write good articles instead of just posting Deviant Art related game crap.
  • arshlevon
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    its not really designed for ipad because it didnt even load on my ipad, the right panel with topics in it just stayed blank.

    kotaku just rips off shit from neo gaf anyway.
  • Frump
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    I pretty much stopped visiting after the passwords thing, but have been going back more recently- until now.

    The site looks nice, upon opening the page, but then the usability issues start.

    God, I kind of want to read the site but it's such a pain. I've been reading Joystiq mainly for my gaming news and it's much better. If they wanted to have a more polished blog format they could have looked at a site like that for reference.
  • Zipfinator
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    Just visited Kotaku for the first time in a while after clicking on the Activision Kills Guitar Hero link in another thread here. Took me 5 minutes to find the article I was looking for in the awful new layout. Definitely will be avoiding Kotaku from now on if this layout stays.
  • Entity
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    My brain is too primitive to understand this new layout.

    Not that it matters though I get all my gaming news at neogaf :)
  • cman2k
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    moose wrote: »
    reader.google.com

    subscribe to their feeds

    win.

    Their new layout is a lot nicer for reading imo. the comments section is a little cluttered between the article & comments, and comments & footer tho. messy. Wish they would make the comments a slightly darker gray color so that the article is more prominent. Even tho the writing and content is generally shit, would still clean it up some.

    This. I usually read their stuff through google reader anyways. I've tried the new layout and it doesn't seem so bad...I can understand some people finding it slightly annoying, but I don't understand what seems to be downright *outrage* from so many.

    I agree with their reasoning behind the new design and I actually really disliked the old designs for many of the discussed reasons (slow loading, tons of crap I didn't need, small images, etc). I didn't love the old layout and I don't love the new one, so nothing has really changed for me. I'll still stop by occasionally and browse stuff, regardless.

    My life isn't over and there is no need to have a hissy fit about it, though. :P
  • acc
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    I've been feeling like Kotaku has been going downhill for a while now, so when the redesign game in I just stopped reading them altogether. Another case of people getting too successful and forgetting what made them in the first place (innocently funny presentation of news, not edgy snarky self-righteousness).

    The redesign is terrible for several practical reasons.

    a) It's slow. Instead of one load for the entire page, you get an ever bigger load for every single article.

    b) It's cluttered. They went from a straight roll of articles (simple) to links and crap everywhere you look.

    c) It's over-complicated. Again, straight roll of articles VS multi-panel layout (remember how much everyone loved FRAMES?)

    d) People expect scrolling to scroll the page. They do not expect having to hold their mouse in a certain position and scroll part of the page, or click on buttons to scroll.

    e) It's all motivated by a few old magazine designers who pine for the days of superfluous magazine spreads instead of thinking about how people actually use the web.

    All in all, I've switched to reading Joystiq. And luckily, I'm planning to launch my own blog soon anyways.
  • Del
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    ~ Is it just me or has Kotaku been taken down now? No links work for me and it just redirects me to Gizmodo instead.

    wait... now its back.

    Oh wait. Now its gone again. -___-
  • Kwramm
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    good I'm not alone hating the redesign. easier to use on the ipad, harder to use everywhere else? ...and I don't even have an ipad
  • PogoP
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    It's just linking to the Gizmodo blog now.
  • McGreed
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    Yeah, I really dislike this layout intensely, it got so many bad design decisions that its laughable. It does really look like someone high up got their first iPad and then wanted their sites to looks like something for it. Just fail that it doesn't even work for the pad. Also, its not just one site, but a lot they changed. Really, on io9 people complained about it and still they pushed it forward to the other sites.
    Just reading the thread on their "This is the new gizmodo" post, and its clear that a vocal few like the layout, everyone else loathes it.
    http://gizmodo.com/#!5752428/this-is-the-new-gizmodo
  • Wahlgren
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    Sucks balls, i dont visit anymore. I think they'll notice a hit in numbers.
  • Habboi
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    Heh if you add ca.kotaku it goes back to the old front page. It just makes me more sad.
  • jakelear
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    Kotaku used to be one of my "sites."(You know, the ones you visit every time you open a browser)

    Now I get halfway through the URL out of habit and I remember "Oh yeah, that site is unusable now"

    In terms of usability, it's a nightmare. Steve Krug's "Don't Make Me Think!" has long served as a bible for web usability, and the new Gawker design seems to have tried as hard as possible to go the opposite direction from every principle discussed there.

    I'm not sure if they have some special accommodations running in the background for accessibility but this also seems to be an accessibility nightmare.

    When it comes to usability, don't reinvent the wheel.
  • gsokol
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    Man...I really liked the simplicity of the old layout. Really not liking the new one at all. I hope the /classic never goes away. I will probably be reading this less now as well. Really pisses me off because I used to check up on gizmodo a lot too..
  • teaandcigarettes
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    I say it's good. The quality of writing on Kotaku has been going down the drain lately. Now I have a reason to stop using it completely.
  • Pseudo
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    Even if it drives some people off I would wager they will still see more pageviews because of the left/right arrow browsing combined with the new layout.

    More page views = more ads served = more revenue.
  • Habboi
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    People keep mentioning adverts and yet I haven't seen a single one. Maybe it's because I'm using...adblocker? Why isn't everyone else using it @_@
  • Eclipse
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    I just decided to switch where I go now. I used to pretty much only look at kotaku because it was fast and easy, but now it's just not, so instead it's onto something else....it's a shame but I don't want to use their new site :(
  • flaagan
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    Eclipse wrote: »
    I just decided to switch where I go now. I used to pretty much only look at kotaku because it was fast and easy, but now it's just not, so instead it's onto something else....it's a shame but I don't want to use their new site :(

    Joystiq. :thumbup:

    The blog I'm particularily unhappy about with this change is Jalopnik; between them and Autoblog I'd much rather read Jalopnik, but the new design keeps pushin me away. :(
  • throttlekitty
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    The cool thing about blogs is the same stories generally get posted on all of them, so you don't really miss out on much by not reading a particular one.

    I think the new design makes skimming articles easier, but I'm much less likely to click on them. Too compact with no leading text to grab me. Also makes my scroll-wheel finger tired. (there's gotta be SOMETHING interesting to read, right? right?)
  • Eclipse
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    flaagan wrote: »
    Joystiq. :thumbup:

    Yeah this is the one I think I am going to stick to, seems nice :).
  • toren3d
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    Yeah I'm not a big fan of the changes either, and many of my friends have been complaining as well. Kotaku is a whore for clicks anyway. When the NGP was announced they had 6 or more stories to explain what the details were, while IGN and Giantbomb just had one, which gave you all the details at once.
  • acc
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    I was also getting tired of their outright lying in headlines to drum up flamewars.

    Kotaku Headline: DEVELOPER SAYS PS3 IS UTTER SHIT

    A developer spoke out on the topic of the PlayStation 3 today, citing concerns over the difficulty of developing for it. Filler filler filler filler filler filler. We were just kidding in the headline, he actually says Sony has been great to work with and the studio is getting over the development hurdles just fine. Filler filler filler filler filler filler. Snarky ending comment based on random, uninformed, and entirely unreasonable opinion.
  • VPrime
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    They need to get rid of the right panel on the main page.. and main page needs to be the classic/blog view.
    I like the idea of switching/seeing all the articles from inside a story. But for the home page I like to just scroll through it all and skim it for interesting things.
    Needs to be a mix of both worlds.
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