scifi floor thingy

SnowInChina

uhm, yeah, some hardsurface practice
didnt use a ref, but after i finished i realized it reminds me like something ive seen somewhere. maybe from racer

however this is the first tile from 3 which will be layed down in a control tower [inspired by ghost in the shell ]
iam going to upload the concept tomorrow





notice to myself, if you´re ever going to model everything in instead of using floating geometry. DONT FUCKING DO IT.
couldn't turbosmooth the panels because it would go up to 50million tris or something like that (its not that i didnt try, but my pc crashed everytime i did)


update
here's the screenshot from gits
i wont copy it 1:1, but at least the genereal shape will be the same

brandoom

Looks pretty good.

You might have some troubles when you go to render your normal maps. Because the crosshatching is so fine, it likely won't render out with great clarity. You'll have use a really large texture size, or increase the size of the crosshatching itself.

Not bad though. Keep us posted

SnowInChina

brandoom wrote: »

Looks pretty good.

You might have some troubles when you go to render your normal maps. Because the crosshatching is so fine, it likely won't render out with great clarity. You'll have use a really large texture size, or increase the size of the crosshatching itself.

Not bad though. Keep us posted

hm, yeah, have to see how it works out
but since its tileable and this isnt for any kind of a game, i can maybe get away with a little bigger map for the tile

SnowInChina

second tile hi poly
guess i have to make some changes though

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6187/floortilehi.png

SnowInChina

ok, after solving some small issues here´s the bake
the normal map came out fine ( 2048x2048 )
still some noob mistakes from the modeling, so all the details arent as good as they could be
not going to make the mistake again

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2623/finaltilenormal.jpg

applied to a plane

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8461/crappocopy.jpg

dont know if this is going to work
with ao it really looks blurry...
maybe i can touch this up in photoshop a bit, but its already 4.30am, so iam calling it a day

SnowInChina

scrapped the second tile and rebuild it
here´s a part of the layout
cant put everything together because there´s still one tile missing but iam working on it, next after that comes the table

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9059/layoutwp.jpg

fearian

Looking alright so far - while you can't pick out the detail of the crosshatching, it's not too important.

Also copy and pasted from Jason's Deus Ex thread:

Vahl wrote:

not the first time I notice this from you jason, and others in general, but you have a lot of super sharp edges and 90° angles that will not read very nicely on the normal, which is a shame because it'll give away the illusion of depth, even with a good AO, like there's already noise/aliasing on your screengrab which is about twice the size this wall will always be seen ingame, just think about it

SnowInChina

yeah, this is something i realised when i was done baking it down
many details dont read too well
i will try to keep this in mind when i model the rest of the scene and maybe revisit the floortiles when everything else is finished

sltrOlsson

I think you should remodel the crosshatching, make them a bit exaggerated and with a bit rounder edges..

SnowInChina

modeled the last tile that wasnt done and put them together how they will connect in the scene

also edited all posts and replaced the images with links, so this thread wont be so bandwidth hungry

here´s the final layout

Matroskin

dont forget to have sloped angles instead of straight vertical ones in your hi-res. Otherwise there will be nothing baked in the normal map and those black "outlines" around the "crosses" of your pannels show that
Remember that Normal map is baked through projected rays. If surface is perpendicular to the projection plane then it will not appear in the normal map.

SnowInChina

yeah, i somehow thought the small champfered edges would be enough, but they dont come out too much

edit : the black lines are btw from the ao map afaik

Matroskin

yes i know its from ao, thats the point that there is very deep ao but no normal support

SnowInChina

some more high poly training stuff
original concept by paul richards



i think the screws (especially the ones on the side) are too small

SnowInChina

180tris
somehow the normalmap is fucked up
dont know for sure whats going on, but thats for later... need some sleep now

SnowInChina

ok, i´ve played around with this now for 8 hours and i dont seem to find a solution to it
i remodeled the low maybe 5-6 times in different ways but the normalmap stays this way
i tryd to smooth out the high poly a bit, but its not that easy with the curved silhouette
kinda freakin out here and am a little afraid to post cauz its always the normals with me =(

anyway, whats the problem here ?

SnowInChina

so i made a testbake on a cube
there are no errors whatsoever, so somehow my lowpoly must be shitty
maybe way more geo on the edges ?

Next

no just remove the mirrored uv shell for the bakin process move it to uv sektor 2 2 or whatso ever then it wil bake fine !
edit: as u use blender copy the object move the mirrored uv shells outside the checkered box in the imageeditor....aka uv thingy screen.....
export that copied version to bake in xnormal... which i suppose u use to bake....

SnowInChina

now i hate myself

edit: thanks btw, i was really frustrated. this is my first mirrored thing so i somehow forgot about that.. despite the fact that i saw several tutorials some time ago...

Next

...could be a secret but i guess everybody encounters pretty much the same problems when they start out with bakin stuff xD....so much stuff to know and consider to get a clean bake under various conditions.....

SnowInChina

back again...
bake works somehow, but i get a nasty seam along my seam, but only on the mirrored side, the original side looks good

Next

ok if thats the blender viewport... and its baked in xnormal than u should flip the green channel of the normalmap this could help(or maybw not as the not mirrored side looks fine).... i dont recall for sure but i think blender cant handle mirrored normalmap stuff in the view port at all.... but u can test that by rendering it ... i just dont recall it now exactly... sry

SnowInChina

baked in blender and its a rendered shot not the viewport, hm gonna try to import the model into unity and look whats its doing

edit: ok, no seams in unity

passerby

ya if you baked in blender you will need to manually flip the green channel in photoshop to make it display right in unity or udk.

personally i find xnormal doe sway better normal and AO bakes than blender does so maybe you should just export out your high and low poly and do it in xnormal.

and like was mentioned previous the easiest way to do it mirrored is to just make a copy for baking the maps that has one side of the uv layout dragged out of the 1 to 0 space.

elitewolverine

I must ask why your doing a mirrored normal map?

Why not just bake the whole thing?

Ive never expereinced the issue you are having when baking from high to low poly in blender...if i may ask, do you mind sharing just that object and see if i cant either repeat or help with that normal?

SnowInChina

i edited my post above, normals do work now, they only look weird in blender
unity and marmoset display them correctly

elitewolverine

sounds good, its weird that your getting that though never had it in blender before.

i take it you have glsl enabled while in blender.

and your model looks good, interested to see how the project of yours turns out, like the reference pic as well

elitewolverine

I was wondering if you have tried to do GLSL Bump Map painting? And then baking the extra details to the normal map, to combine the high poly normal and the new details...

Its probably the absolute best way to get scratches etc onto your normal, without pushing polys, and its fast too..

i was thinking about that method when you were doing your grated floors.

SnowInChina

nope, didnt try that @elitewolverine

some progress
made a quick blockout and played around with marmorset

SnowInChina

some updates

remodelled the lamp, textures still wip


and sketched out the table, it will be bigger than the table in the original scene and there will be some modifications, well, thats the direction it will be going

still getting used to my wacom, so its not as good as i would like it to be, but iam getting there

and i know, iam kinda slow, but this is my first complete project and there´s alot of learning involved (and a lot a remodelling stuff 10 or more times because it looks like shit) so bear with me

SnowInChina

small update


crits ? suggestions ?
it would be cool to have the 3d map (and the monitors) animated, but iam not yet sure how to realize that since i havent done anything related to animation yet