Comicon TOP 30 Announced
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Here: http://www.comiconchallenge.com/2010/finals_top30.php
Oh.
and by the way this, and this, got top 30.
But THIS
and
THIS
and
THIS
and
THIS did not.
There's some great entries in there, fantastic ones in fact; but the acknowledgement is not going to all the right people. If I get told I'm a dick, I don't care, I'm willing to take that risk for the people I think deserve to be in that list.
It's not about Praise, its about Acknowledgement. Okay so shoot me down I don't care, I stand by what I said.
EDIT:
Some of those entries are fricking "holy bananas" good. I forgot to actually congratulate the people who blew me away.
Oh.
and by the way this, and this, got top 30.
But THIS
and
THIS
and
THIS
and
THIS did not.
There's some great entries in there, fantastic ones in fact; but the acknowledgement is not going to all the right people. If I get told I'm a dick, I don't care, I'm willing to take that risk for the people I think deserve to be in that list.
It's not about Praise, its about Acknowledgement. Okay so shoot me down I don't care, I stand by what I said.
EDIT:
Some of those entries are fricking "holy bananas" good. I forgot to actually congratulate the people who blew me away.
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well, preliminary congratulations to everyone though. now i'm rooting for neox' entry the most.
OMG How dare you!! Such blatant disrespect to the age-old honorable voting system. Typical of today's youth, with your bookfacing and MTV and all that.
Nah, just kidding dude. It's perfectly legit to think that some entries should have gotten in, and others shouldn't in their place. But really, I think it's a matter of taste. I know if I was a judge, I would have voted differently. But it's not really speaking to the quality of the piece, but rather the personal taste of the judge. For example, a couple of the ones you linked that you thought should have placed, I wouldn't have voted for. But it's not because I think they're bad! It's just that they're not my cup of tea.
That said, jesus, Old Link is f'n awesome. I love that one so much. If Maddam wants to make a tutorial for it, I'm willing to pay
The mini batman was pretty badass, as well as the hyper real magneto.
in the words of C3P0
"this is madness"
Edit*
some people's texturing skills are crraaaazzzy..
Not happy valkyrie didnt make it in. EH!
You think this is their voting system:
1st = 3points
2nd = 2points
3rd = 1 point
Judge 1:
1. Red
2. Yellow
3. Blue
Judge 2:
1. Blue
2. Yellow
3. Red
Judge 3:
1. Purple
2. Yellow
3. Red
Judge 4:
1. Red
2. Yellow
3. Purple
Judge 5:
1. Blue
2. Yellow
3. Red
Red = 9
Blue = 7
Purple = 4
Yellow = 10
Yellow is no ones favourite......
Anyhoo. I wouldnt enjoy judging this comp. So much goodness. Although I do think Valkeryie was easily top 30.
Now normally this is what I would have thought but after looking at some of the entries that actually did and didnt make it, it dosnt seem this is exactly the case as there are a few "Aged" entries that didnt make it that were awesome and some that made it that just look like a 3D representation of what the comic character looks like now.
Then again there are some fantastic ones that made it in the top 30 that followed the rules well like Neox's teen storm or maddam's elder link
"You are free to create an unaltered version of your favorite character, or, you can join in on the fun, be creative, and make this remake topic your personal challenge!"
is wut the briefing said
If it says optional, it shouldn't affect anything. Congrats to all the entries that did make it in though!
So yeah who was the one that worked their friends into the top 30? Sorry just a little dissapointing to see this.
Im glad some of my favorite entries did make it up there though but really everyone can clearly see the ones that dont belong.
Spark
Oh wow I thought it was mandatory, I didnt know it was optional at all. Hmm then that makes things even more puzzling as to why entries that were great like yours and others didnt make it over some of the less fabulous ones. Seems this and Unearthly both have had some not so awesome lash back judging wise due to what was demed better then some. I guess Im glad I dont have to be one judging these comps ha.
At least the judging isn't as bad as last year's. That was utter garbage. Last year, Hazardous only made it on the list as "Most viewed thread." , and just like this year, his entry was top notch. This year looks like a semi-repeat for not only Haz, but many other extremely well talented artists.
I 100% appreciate what Fred does. He takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin' with the amount of grief he gets from us noble and opinionated forum members. He owes everyone absolutely nothing, and the fact that he still does this, to help promote artists and provide a medium for people to be creative, is totally awesome.
The contests are great ways for artists to get noticed and build some rep and add new pieces to their portfolio. IMPO, it's not worth the time and energy when the judging is so wishy washy. If you go into it to just simply have fun with no aspirations of placing or winning, then cool, go for it! If you wanna place, that's always just a flip of the coin with these comps.
There are no statistics that can be placed on the opinion of artists judging art. These competition results, time and again, are a testament to that fact.
Basically I don't know why they put up top 30, all that matters is top ten anyways. I'll hold my judgement until I see that. But I do agree last years turned out a little weird so who knows.
I'm also kinda disappointed so many in the top 30 didn't follow the brief. Those who didn't are still increeeedible entries, but why even bother having a brief if it makes no difference whatsoever with the finals. I mean they even subtitled the comp 'Age of Legends'.
It doesn't seem fair when you've got entries like Neox, which isn't only technically awesome and visually appealing... he's actually used creative license and design ideas to come up with a unique character. Whereas others are merely a 3D representation of a comic book character, very good ones nonetheless, but the level of creativity involved is lower.
I love the old ninja turtle though
I did have that Magneto model tipped as a first place though.
I guess I'm some kind of an idiot...
Yea, I don't get who judges this stuff, but eh.
And just to clarify for Hazardous: He DID finish. His beauty shot was the only one he got to finish to his standards, but he did submit all images. So it's quite ridiculous he didn't make it.
I also want to give a shout out to Magneto, the Starcraft chick, Uncle Sam, and there are a few others I was sure were in for top 30 that I can't remember offhand.
Seeing so many comments regarding our entries that didn't make it into the top 30th really makes me feel much better!
@SuperOstrich - Thanks for the shout out SuperOstrich, I would've made a comment about yours not making into the top 30th over on GA totally but it would definitely make me look like I was playing the hater game :P
@everyone who's been supportive (because there's quite many haha) - your posts and messages really became the source for me to become more resilient and definitely motivated me to keep on doing art!
I'd like to also thank Dreamer here for making the post and voicing his concerns. This is much much, appreciated and thank you guys all for speaking up for entries like Hazrdous' Valkyrie. I couldn't believe my eyes when I couldn't find his in there I had to look three times to hit the reality heh.
My favourite is the Elder Link, by far. Yeah, I know I'm not the only one, but it's the one entry that really grabs me by the balls and holds my attention. It's a re-envisioning that still completely holds true to its origin..
Some solid entries all in all, very inspirational, and it makes me wish I had entered
Crazy!
Epic thanks to all who think I should be in the top 30 - Your the best!
Like many others have already said - I'm susprised at about 1 3rd of the top 30, at least 20 of those I thought would be there, but theres roughly 10 or so entries that raised alot of eyebrows unanimously across the art team at work, and there were a lot of "Wtf wheres *insert awesome piece here*" going around as well.
But I learned a pretty good lesson, trying to push an MMORPG toward gold master, have some kind of time for my wife and doing a comicon at the same time in 6 weeks is rediculous, I'm just not fast enough of an artist to get something done to my potential within that time allowance. So unless its longer next time, I'm out.
The 3 month long warrior challenge over at cghub is a good amount of time, im definately going to give that a shot and see how that turns out.
Massive Shouts again to all who supported me along the way, and to:
SuperOstrich - dude your Batman was off the hook! Top 30 in my book!
Bogdan - That was easily some of the best hard surface stuff in the whole comp! top 30!
VladCostin - Great character, executed wonderfully - top 30!
dkreset - Badass man, get that shit printed! top 30 for me!
minola - One of the hottest chicks in the comp easily in my book, top 30!
jocz - all the way to the top!!
neox - sick dude, all round badassery going on there.
maddam - elder link rocks!
NikitaNV - that harleyquinn totally floats my boat - rock on!
Erigo - What can i say ?!?!
FirstKeeper - Always awesome to see sick old school entries kickin it with the newschool kids!
Dudes who get n00bfisted cos THEY DIDNT FINISH!!!
SlipgateCentral - you would have cleaned up had you finished man!!!!! Bring on the Warrior challenge at CGHUB!
JaqueChoi - where sandman at !?
b1ll - uncle b1ll !!!!!!!!
All in all congratz to the top 30!! Thanks to Fred for organizing the challenge again this year - glad to come out of it with another piece to polish up for my folio!
And again thanks for the Banner here at polycount - If I join Dominance war, I'll be fighting for Polycount!
The original list was decided by one person, so now its getting redone by a group of judges to get a more even list
"Since the top 5 champions have not been announced, and since you, the artists who have participated and worked hard for your entries deserve a good selection, I have taken down the top 30 list and will assign the task of cutting entries down to 30 to a new set of judges. I believe I will need a few new judges for this assignment.
If you have a suggestion on how this process should take place, please list it here. I will wait for a majority vote on the selection process that should be used"
I have an idea.
When the final 7 are announced, us Polycounters dedicate one day for each entry for a week ripping them to pieces. By that I basically just mean discussing them, analysing them, breaking down what makes them such good entries (or not, if people have that opinion), while of course trying to stay constructive.
The entries all have their own threads somewhere, and I'm sure there's going to be interviews and post mortems by the artists, but for this purpose it would make sense to start new threads about them.
You missed off Gav :P
but is that necessary to point out so crudely the ones you don't like ?
He wasn't helped by the comments in his thread, either. They were mainly "ohhhh that's awesome", "omg fantastic!", and more along the lines of what you get at ZBrush Central, when people comment on the top rows. It's flattering, but flattery is just destructive..
Hopefully I wasn't too crude :P
What a kick in the face to everyone involved in this one.
i'm 50/50 about that decision.... but damned if you do, damned if you don't... *sigh*
when in rome
~ To clarify, I'm not shooting the models down. I'm saying that essentially they don't have the key things employers are looking for when hiring.
I pretty much learnt 90% of what I know online as did many of you, and I followed by winning examples. If I were to follow the example of some of the entries in that first vote, I would maybe not have seen the importance of things like good uvs, good meshflow, etc and a lot of damage would have been done because i would have been thinking (nobody is hiring me, but i'm doing stuff just like those guys who won the comps).
I'm not going to edit my post because that's in life you don't get to go back and change what you said, lemme just make it clear I wasn't trying to cause offence, I was labelling out a broken system that's not acknowledging professional working practices.
So for people who missed my point entirely. That's where my heads at.
Looks like the top 30 are being re-decided.
Why not just deal with the next one better?
Easy enough to say when I didn't enter I guess.
@East and b1ll - heh, that's right, and totally well put. though there are benefits of having a proper and more accurate judge panel for sure right? People join competitions to see where they are, and it's the same as getting on a faulty weight calculator and be happy about the 150 lbs that you didn't lose in the past 2 weeks when you join a competition with an inaccurate judging system
anyhow, thanks again to everyone who charmed in, jocz is definitely right though, I'm sure point would've been gotten across without posting particular images next time too! (let's hope there isn't a next time