AR design
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]hey guys! i'm working on an assault rifle that i'm gonna make in 3d.
would be cool if i could get some feedback. i don't know that much
about guns and was hoping that there are some people here who do.
would be cool if i could get some feedback. i don't know that much
about guns and was hoping that there are some people here who do.
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Try playing with some of the design elements a bit, move the mag well, grip and ejection port around some to experiment with different designs.
ATM it looks like the Enfield SA80 & FN F2000 had some kind of bastard offspring.
Not that thats a terrible thing, looking forward to seeing where you take this. :thumbup:
visually, what's the difference between those three rifle types?
yeah, the ejection port will be on the right side. i usually do drawings like these from a left side view and
just wanted to put the ejection port on there so i could try it out.
i'm gonna try some different things and see what i come up with. still want to keep many of the design elements
The mag to me just looks to tilted, it seems like the bolt would have to rock backwards at an extreme angle inside the grip (there is actually a gun that does this but I can't remember its name I'm sure someone will pop in and supply it though). The problem with that on this gun is you have your trigger linkage and fire selector in the path of that design.
Yes a bull-pups mechanics are behind the trigger.
Aside from that, the differences between a bull-pup and a standard ar are primarily length and balance.
They both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Bull-Pup:
Longer Barrel Length in a shorter overall package.
Good for CQB.
Weight is farther back in the stock and this is advantageous to some shooters.
Standard:
Longer overall length unless you start sacrificing barrel length.
Weight is more centrally balanced.
imo, better for mid-long range shooting.
Sub-Machine gun:
Designed with CQB in mind.
Typically fires handgun caliber rounds.
Whats used depends pretty much a personal preference, and situation.
I've fired them all and personally I'd take a m-4 carbine with a 10-14" barrel over the other two styles just because it feels more natural to me.
I'm sure theres someone on here that can break down the differences better than I can.
i've made some minor changes. i moved the grip, mag and that stuff a little bit forward. and i made the back and front parts of the rifle a bit shorter.
i changed the mag so it doesn't tilt as much.
then i tried some different things with the parts around the grip.
sorry for not making any big changes
Bullpups are built on the premise that putting the magazine and action behind the grip allows a long barrel in a short overall length. Right now your design looks like somebody basically took the shell of a bullpup rifle and attached a standard rifle to the front of it, completely negating the benefits of either layout. If there was some purpose or logical role for all the volume behind the mag and action, your design would work (it's pretty cool from a purely visual sense), but without that context it's not working as well - the design needs to be able to stand on its own. I've shot myself in the foot making the same kind of mistake, designing a bunch of stuff that I thought looked cool, but which needed a bunch of additional context to make the design actually seem cool to anybody else. Burned three months that way once.
I would suggest moving the ejection port back above the thumbhole in the grip, and putting the charging handle and charging handle path where the ejection port currently is (or leaving it where it is right now). That will suggest a barrel that makes use of the length of that gun. Right now you've got a gun that appears to be all buttstock from nearly halfway back.
If you're wanting a standard rifle just move the action and mag forward on design 1 (leave the mag well where its at) and elongate the barrel and rail section to about 2 - 2.5x their length.
Edit: Thats my opinion anyways, like design 1 & 2 the best.
(just used his elements with scale/smudge
The whole DVD summed up in 4 minutes (its got everything in that one tiny clip)
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Good luck!
As for the gun, I think it looks neat. A little blocky for my taste, but then that's probably intentional huh? I would rather see it in 3D though! Get workin.
GarageBay 9: yeah, i really wanna have a good concept before i start building it in 3d. usually i don't put much
time into a concept and don't really do any research. a lot of artists probably start out this way
Grimm_Wrecking: that's a really cool bull-pup version you did.
pior: you're right about the line work. i will try and see if i can make some sense of it.
nice tutorial. i will check it out
so i will try to post something later today or maybe tomorrow. thanks!
so this is what i did. the regular one is still pretty long at the back. i really like the way the back looks
so i'm having a hard time changing it. but i made it a little bit shorter, made the barrel longer and also narrowed the height a little bit.
i also did a bullpup version. might even go for that one.
please give feedback.
i also wanna know, if i made this for a next-gen game, what would be the minimum and maximum triangle counts?
not sure about the colors i have though.
please give feedback. ideas and suggestions are welcome.
i'm not sure i like the "scar" colors so i'll probably go with the black version.
so far i've only put basic textures on there. but it would be nice if i could get some feedback on them before i start on the details.
there's a lot of wear atm, might reduce some of it.
tell me what you think.
On the fps view, the side you see there lacks detail it looks realy flat, boring and unfinished.
So i think there is alot that can be improved on, specialy on that site, just keep at it realy good start
It looks a heck of a lot like the warhammer shotgun
it looks a heckua lot like the warhammer shotgun made for counterstrike
http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/46851
it does look quite boring now that you mention it. don't know how i missed it. it definitely needs some more details.
i don't know what to add though. do you think it needs more geometry or would it be enough to add some normal map details?
n88tr:
i can see the resemblance. they look a bit alike from a first person view but not that much from the side.