First Real Character Attempt (Goblin Warrior)

gibson543

Hey guys whats up. I've decided to give up on my previous project after I got a new computer due to a virus. Now I'm going to start a new project. A next-gen character made with Dominance War 4 rules. The character is going to be a grisly goblin warrior. One that has seen much war in his day. Right now I have a concept, I just don't have a pic yet. I'll post it as soon as I scan it. But right now I'm going to tell you guys the workflow I want to do.

Concepting
Base Mesh Modeling
Sculpting the Base Mesh
Retopo the base mesh
UV Map the final mesh
Make all of the Maps
Rig and Pose character

I'm going to be doing all of this in only Blender 3d 2.5 and photoshop cs2. Any C&C on the character idea, workflow and such is always welcome

gibson543

Half Hour Concept Sketch in Art Class



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marlfox8

ummm... well im not a master at drawing but well, the concept kinda sucks even though its still a concept. maybe you should go home and spend more time on it.
dont be discouraged just keep at it and never give up

DrunkShaman

umm...I agree with Marlfox8. ^^

gibson543

I'm completely aware that my concept sucks. I'm not an artist lol I just want it for proportions really. I don't plan on doing much detail into it. Thanks for that though looks like i need to get some books

ericdigital

You workflow sounds fine but please of please don't use your current concepts for proportions. Check out some 3d.sk or some other sites to get some humans in t-poses so you can start to get an eye on how the muscles should be flowing and forming the silhouette. Look forward to seeing you improve!

marlfox8

yep:) eric, you took the words out of my mouth

DrunkShaman

Gibson, you need practice your proportional sketches. One way to achieve this, is to start learning how to sketch at the decent level.

You can go check the other sketch books out and see how they did it.

Or you can google "Idrawgirls.com" and start learning from there. There are more websites who teach the sketch tutorials, and drawings. The one I suggested is what I used when I started digital sketching.

Good luck. Do post your updates and thanks for sharing your current work.

ZacD

use some references for your own concept. or use someone else's concept.

Snader

gibson543 wrote: »

I'm completely aware that my concept sucks. I'm not an artist lol I just want it for proportions really. I don't plan on doing much detail into it. Thanks for that though looks like i need to get some books

I'd suggest you make your concept proportionate then.

If I were you I'd stay away from the dominance war specifications. 10.000 polies and multiple highres maps is something you'll easily get lost in. Try something simpler first, 1000 or so, with just a diffuse map.

-you won't get overwhelmed by the crapload of polygons you have to work with.
-the texture shows results immediately (no switching between blender and PS so often)
-it'll be done faster, which means more learning per time unit.
-you'll learn to work with restrictions better
-you can get a good realtime rendering in the blender viewport

And I agree with the others, it'd be wise to borrow someones concept, or possibly try to make a copy of a warcraft character. This'll give you a better idea of where to make changes, and how to add detail etc.

marlfox8

warcraft goblin rogue!

gibson543

Unfortunatly, I can't find any orthos of a goblin. Anyone mind helping me out??

MainManiac

DKK wrote: »

Thats not unusual, the Goblins are a crafty and spiritual people who fear that cameras will capture their souls, and subsequently prefer to shun the limelight. Your best bet is to spend some time in the forest, and befriend one studing realistic goblin proportions off of him.

This, or be a man and rip models from games for educational purposes.

Justin Meisse

I google image searched "goblin ortho" and came up with a bunch of cool stuff.

MainManiac

Justin_Meisse wrote: »

I google image searched "goblin ortho" and came up with a bunch of cool stuff.

Might as well thank you right here, i would usually type in model sheet.

DrunkShaman

Trace on the following for starters:

http://www.enochihde.com/images/3d/goblin/goblin_reference.jpg

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/2/25/Goblins_cataclysm.png

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/62976/go_NightGoblinShaman_qjpreviewth.jpg

See if it helps.

Good luck

EDIT: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wtTCUONv1BE/SaOD0SChTAI/AAAAAAAAAFk/JZIXn0xAPqI/s320/Vampire+ortho.jpg

MainManiac

I also downloaded the goblin SDK right here at the forums and made orthos from that.

Snader

Are you kidding me? You can't find reference on the goblins from WoW?

http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=goblin#npcs

1 press a name
2 press [View in 3d]
3 ???
4 profit!

JacqueChoi

Step one isn't concept. Its find references

emeryalanlin

I agree reference is key, try looking at nude people, life drawing classes are very good as well they help you develop an eye for good proportions and help you learn muscles.

gibson543

Thanks for all of the comments everyone. i've gotten my orthos (goblin SDK) and I've started blocking out the body. Just the torso and basic arms right now.



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C&C always

gibson543

Made some more progress on the body, got the skirt, legs and top of the shoes. C&C welcome



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marlfox8

well, from some of the ref posted here the arms seem a bit to bulky and human like.
They should be more scrawny but still have some muscle.

Snader

Watch your poly density. A poly from the shoulders fits about 50 times in a poly of the belly.

gibson543

@Snader: Didn't think of that thanks

@marlfox8I decided not to follow my ref I'm using orthos I took of the goblin SDK

gibson543

Hey guys, I thought that I should get some practice in before I start modeling this guys face.

Nose I made in about twenty minutes with no reference (the nostril might seem a little thin but I made it thicker)



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C&C welcome

ZacD

No reference is not a good thing. Can we see the wires? also I find it best to block in the face as a whole before doing individual parts.

gibson543

Thanks for the comment Zac. And I tried modeling the face as a whole before and it never really worked for me, so I've moved on to doing it part by part. Here is the wire. I try to keep my mesh all quads, and it is all quads.



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marlfox8

no ref? bad form dude. you need ref!!

gibson543

Yeah I know I need a ref, normally I do I just got a new computer so right now I don't have any decent human face ref thats why I didn't use one. I'm going to grab some today though