China sure does take their bootlegging seriously
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http://bitmob.com/index.php/mobfeed/piracy-triumphs-demake-of-resident-evil.html
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnFWeujO9ko[/ame]
And the page linked in the article:
http://www.gamesniped.com/2010/01/14/famicom-chinese-original-games-diablo-chrono-trigger-resident-evil-zelda-harvest-moon/
There's a fucking NES demake of FF7. o_O
It's funny, because the RE one actually looks pretty awesome.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnFWeujO9ko[/ame]And the page linked in the article:
http://www.gamesniped.com/2010/01/14/famicom-chinese-original-games-diablo-chrono-trigger-resident-evil-zelda-harvest-moon/
There's a fucking NES demake of FF7. o_O
It's funny, because the RE one actually looks pretty awesome.
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What relevance does this have to anything?
Google translates the page pretty poorly.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.game798.com%2Fshowtopic-72450.html
Err yea what others said...
The DW thing is not copying and taking credit, apparently these dudes wanted to match slipgatecentral as a study...I think it's fucking weird that they'll remake DW characters though. I'm pretty sure slipgatecentral knows about it.
Edit: Woops...Scudz already had a link, sorry.
Yes if he applied these skills to a different concept that wasn't already in 3D then it would be even more impressive, and if it were an original design then even better. But its pretty stupid to completely dismiss this exercise as being a pointless waste of time.
Don't get me wrong I really like Chinese culture. I'm just throwing it up in an objective viewpoint. Loads of people rip off other people in the western world also.
I think people copying the pillar is weird too. Especially for something as generic and ambiguous as a pillar which they could just design on the fly using the techniques presented in the dvd. But as I said in that thread, I don't dismiss it because he used the same concept and pose, I just find it a bit odd. Probably because it's such a huge time commitment to make something in 3d, you really want to have that to amount to something unique and interesting. Also, if he just puts this in his portfolio with no explanation a lot of people could take it the wrong way.
meaning, they believe they aren't doing anything wrong.
While I'm not sure if it completely true, I have seen animations which have been copied shot for shot by chinese students. Maybe its a case of students attempting to reach the skill of the master by reproducing the masters work. That sounds like an old kung fu film storyline or something lol.
Plus it somehow associates the winners material to a not so stellar rendition of it. so in a way even if its a tribute its not necessarily a case of 'oh he made a copy so what, it doesnt matter'. When I first saw the pic I was like "huh weird! I thought SGCs piece was better than that..."
RE nes looks awesome!
I dunno man, I think the same could be said about your solid snake. Yeah sure he could have just done the helmet but what I think was going on here was that the guys just loved slipgates model so much that they were inspired to create their own. To me its no different from people making hellboys, wolverines, or spidermans of their own.
Its good work hes done. It just looks a little heartless to be a passionate fanart.
Especially the feet.
copycatting is very common in game art
(i've seen lots of shots of people having a "map of a body" and famous modelshots around it with arrows pointing on the specific area , which leads to a new concept)
(i remember the case when someone used an arm from davekings concept but not as refernece but copy paste it into his concept whicht lead to angry dave)
hmm i accidentaly lost i point i was arguing to, maybe i remember later
The difference is that Pior did his take on Snake, putting his learned skills to the test of creating his version of Snake, not simply trying to match (or fail to match) a previous version.
An artist who makes his rendition of a pre-existing character (using his or her ideas to create an interpretation) is a far cry from someone who simply tries to copy/match one.
I'm no expert or anything, but i think this has a huge effect in these sort of situations.
This makes sense to me, seeing that the general public in china are now getting into cars of their own, they'd start searching the internet for more information about cars... and of course, good ole red doesn't want people finding out how shitty their government subsidized chinese domestic market vehicles are.
japanese not so much. Most of the other asian cultures revolve around making things better... japan is the extreme, they take an idea or product and run with it, finding out how it works and how it's make so they can do it better. They will charge more for it, but know you will come back to it because it's a solid product that they stand behind, and you generally get the feeling that they do feel very sorry for the product failing. It might not be as true today, but in the 80s this is how sony and honda and toyota etc came to be what they are.
chinese commercial culture is the extreme opposite. They steal your idea, rip it apart and find ways to reduce costs to bare minimum of what it takes to make it work, sometimes taking out fundamental design features, material, etc because their 'engineers' don't understand what they're for... like steel in the safety structure in a car. Then they will start mass producing it in competition of other factories doing the same as them, and continually price war and charge less and less for the item, removing more and more of what makes that product safe, quality, etc to use. Then they will sell it to a schmuck looking for a deal on an item for the lowest possible price. When something goes wrong, the company (if it's still around and management hasn't fled for the hills with the profit) will blame YOU for breaking it or replace it with a like designed/manufactured product.
That's not to say, there aren't any good companies in china, there are lots, the ones who have been working with the west for a long time, but these new ones in the last 10-15 years or so? Very scary.
It's the group and its goals that matter not the individual. Individualism is reserved for people in high places but is a weakness in the lowly public. "Strength through unity" heh.
Individualism as prized and a staple of western art just doesn't wash with the culture. Individualism is a defective link in an otherwise perfectly forged chain.
It shows strength and discipline to be organized and do what other "pre-approved" successful people do.
See I'm a good student I listened, learned and perfectly replicated the lesson. We are all awesome, because we all perfectly executed the same thing! That is after we get done throwing rocks at the lazy eyed kid who isn't finished yet... SHAME!
My dad was just telling me the exact same thing you are saying pretty much, and how hes fed up with shit made in china. The problem is finding something that isnt these days!
He even showed me a link to a small apartment building in china that fell over because the support columns were just hollw concrete cylinders with no rebar or anything reinforcing it. Now I havent seen many other examples granted but it does seem like theres a trend. Im usually hearing something about shotty chinese craftsmanship, and knowing how the chinese government operates im sure we only hear of the tip of the iceberg.
The pilings were not drilled and poured properly, they didn't go into bedrock, so the weight of the building actually displaced them in the loose soil and shifting causing the break. I'm no engineer, but rebar probably wouldn't have saved that building.
There's stuff like this that happens here in the west too... the big dig in boston had something similar where concrete that wasn't dense enough (to save money) started falling off the ceiling in the tunnels, but you can probably bet that whoever was in charge of that decision would at least have been fired or sued. Engineers here at least have a code of ethics they have to adhere to, at the risk of their career, in china, an 'engineer' can be whoever has the money to pay off the local officials.
Another story I heard recently, we all know about the lead in paint and plastic for toys coming from china... after being told time and time again lately that they can't use lead in paint, what did the chinese factories switch to? Cadmium, a substance even MORE toxic than lead.
Let's not forget melamine in feed to boost protein levels... they spiked the levels of the protein in the feed at the cost of pennies per ton in order to save pennies per ton, so they could make the sale.
No I saw the entire picture sequence, I think it rained a lot too thats what eroded out the soil so fast as well, I neglected to mention that.