Rock man Zero
Well, since Im on this whole megaman trip lately I decided to do a model.
I did the buster to begin with and decided the rest would be easy. Its all based off an action figure of zero so its a little weird looking. Hes right over 5 k but I might beef it up to 10 k. Hes all basic mats since its an action figure, with the acception of the face, I mapped it to look like the toy and actually made a mechanical looking face for him too. I wanted to alpha the sword , but, I dont know how to do alphas. Still learning, be merciful. Crits welcome.
5,712 polies
6,120 Verts
I did the buster to begin with and decided the rest would be easy. Its all based off an action figure of zero so its a little weird looking. Hes right over 5 k but I might beef it up to 10 k. Hes all basic mats since its an action figure, with the acception of the face, I mapped it to look like the toy and actually made a mechanical looking face for him too. I wanted to alpha the sword , but, I dont know how to do alphas. Still learning, be merciful. Crits welcome.
5,712 polies
6,120 Verts
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Way.
Too.
Much.
Bevel.
Emboss.
Or layer effects.
Seriously, get in there and paint that. You cannot tell me you could not have painted those same 3 colors your self! I'm not going to say "never use photoshop filters and tricks," but you need to be capable of making them not look like they were such.
Oh, hell.
Never use photoshop filters or tricks! =P
I suggest using a more midtone background. As it is the the wireframe is far more appealing to look at than the textured shots. This is because the flat shading and solid dark colors of the model are made largely unreadable against the blinding white.
Take some time to actually explore the things you can do inside Photoshop, don't just settle with the "in your face" filters they got going on. You can really broaden your artistic horizon by doing so. If it's going to be your best friend for texturing, why not venture into the depths of it and see what it can do. Photoshop has at least 1 million ways to get the same thing done. I think it'll benefit you to explore the other 999,999 ways to get that bevel look.
If the brushes looks sloppy, then refine them to your liking. Make your own brushes even
All that aside, I think you should make the eyes smaller and try to give the face a more manga'ish look. All the reference pictures I've seen are manga'd up something fierce.
And where are the rest of the texture sheets? :poly103:
I know it's supposed to be a toy, but you could still unwrap and texture it simply. If anything it'd be practice unwrapping!
Saying using the basic materials to get a toy look just sounds like an excuse to not push the envelope of your artistic ability.
blue with black outlines? at least put some fucking extra effects on the damn thing.
you're the laziest, worst artist i've seen so far on polycount, get your fucking act together.
whats with the damn mirroring? the featureless edges, the everything?
how about you spend 5 more seconds on the texture next time?
spend some more fucking time with your shit, put some pride in it, or don't do art.
how about you go off and try to make this thing something that will wow the community, instead of trying to defend your poor and lazy work.
here's how: spend 14 hours on the texture, and reference work.
sorry, its just that this work burned my eyes so badly i went on a blind rampage.
well how about this then: is it game art, or render art? are you going for a toy look or a cartoon look?
if game art, you need to get rid of all those extra little details that doesn't improve the overall silhouette and normal map them instead.
if hipoly render art, you need to get rid off all those jagged edges, they look really ugly,
and get some GI, and more lights with different colours in there.
and also don't use those horrid omni shadow maps.
and in both cases, for the toy look, you need to increase gloss.
and if you absolutely have to use the scanline renderer, don't use the blinn material, use
the raytrace one, there's no contrast in the blinn material.
it looks like this one:
And it doesn´t remind me of Zero, the Zero i know looks like the one on dejawolf´s picture
if you actualy want to learn to do this then you need to get off what ever retard horse you are riding, and shut up and listen to people that know what they are talking about. pheh,
specter theres really nothing wrong with 5 sided polys on game art, unless the invisible edges are all fucked.
You are right if he doesn´t want to put it in a 3d engine, but if he wanted to do so it would be better for performance, because the engine doesn´t have to triangulate the n-sided polys.
Correct me if i´m wrong
Anyway i dont think its right when you dont put much effort or time on a model then ask for feedback... put more effort in and you will get proper feedback, untill then its not right to ask for some help imo.
tone down that sig fella.
So, mr. "future game designer"- You don't sound so open to criticism with your responses in this thread, dude. And by your own admission you need the advice, so why are you getting so defensive?
You might be used to asspats on those other sites, but nobody here is gonna do that unless your art is eye popping. More importantly, nobody here is gonna take time out to help you if you throw a tantrum whenever someone says you could do something differently. If you want help you need to quit the insults, quit the excuses and listen to the advice being given. Actually trying your best might also be a plus, what do you think?
Also, i'm pretty confident that all the guys you are calling children are older than you, and for someone of your age it's a pretty immature remark.
You're my new favorite polycounter
I didnt know Photoshop tools were the enemy lol. Ill remember its a no no.
But, in some instances the brush sets are sloppy to begin with and painting them in would ensure a cleaner look I guess.
Well, I do plan on texturing it but yes, im being lazy
I dont come make threads and say this is the best work ive done , I dont post this stuff with the intention that you people will say wow thats amazing work.
So I lets start fresh, since I tried to keep it that way, and give this newb some advice so he can develop his skills and put you guys out of business. IM sorry my artwork burned your retinas I have no insurance youll have to pay for medical yourself.
nah,really... maybe you should just spend a while checking out old post and getting a feel for how other artist are doing their work. thats how I learned, and it doesn't require you to post threads and act like an ass.
When people take the time to give some respect through a decent, helpful, critique if your response isn't anything but the same level of respect then you're not going to go very far. And you're certainly going to find Polycount isn't for you/you're no good for Polycount.
Read the FAQ. You're new here so you were given a warning but the "Don't be a dick!" section of the FAQ is for guys wanting to learn with the attitude you have.
one thing i had to learn when i started here at polycount is that the part of an artist that has to improve first is his skin, without thick skin you will soon get offended angry and pissed off at people calling your work poop. this is a seriously imatuer / imatuerly serious forum, meaning while people may act imatuer here we are all serious about this field of art. theres little ass kissing here unless you deserve it. this is not a paid school where the teachers have to be nice and polite and not have sex with students. this is a comunity where everyone teaches and we all have sex with students. you can learn a lot here, but it requires listening to what you NEED to hear, and not what you want to hear.
as far as the statement about photoshop tools being the enemy, anytime someone can look at your work and just see the bevel emboss effect, or the cloud filter, or a pshop lensflare. then it is the enemy. I use effects all the time, but even with them you have to do some leg work to make it work.
you can stop this now, even if you dont instantly do what people sugest, at least consider it, and do not confront them.
here is some tips on translating common polycount crits into crits you may can use
polycount crit: man that things legs fucked up and his ankle looks like a monkeys ass
decoded: theres something wrong with that leg and especialy ankle, maybe you should check some leg/ankle refference, Good luck!
so in short, straighten up man, this place can get you on the road to being a kick ass artist, but not if you fight against it.
90% of what i've learned were from tutorials, practice, and feedback/help from Polycount. Definitely not school. No school can make you an awesome artist.
Nobody likes to work with smart asses, so don't expect it's gonna happen.
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this is relevant, faith automatically makes you a bad person who will never succeed at anything or make any friends
its the truth you know. nobody likes bible-bashers.
I laughed then proceeded to fornicate.
maybe you should pray more! Ignore what all these guys are telling you and follow that voice in your head (jesus).
Pro tip: Jesus loves bevel/emboss.
its practice, patience, perseverence.
reading books about art isnt' gonna make you an artist.
I think if you learned to paint textures it would help a lot. Start Black and White and just paint in the shadows, highlights, etc. as if the light was coming from straight overhead.
DO NOT USE BEVEL/EMBOSS. I know, when you're starting out it feels like a powerful tool. After you paint textures for a while, you'll figure out why it's lame though. It's kind of hard to explain concisely in a crit. But just know that if you use bevel/emboss people on here will know, and will say it sucks. That in itself is a good reason to not use it.
Goodjob on starting a thread. Bad job on taking crits.
I believe Rhinokey's post would translate something like this:
bitch niggaz be frontin', stuntin', gonna wind up with nothin'
check yoself foo
edit: OH TRANSLATING POLYCOUNT TO KIND WORDS, NOT KIND WORDS TO POLYCOUNT
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Thanks for the translation. That's exactly what I meant :thumbup:
too true, too true.
I'm a student myself going for my BA in game art design and I can tell you that in the 3 years I've been there, I've learned a lot... of the basics. Since getting here on polycount and checking out tutorials outside of class I've furthered my knowledge more here in a couple weeks that I usually do all quarter.
Why? Because in a class its 1 teacher to 20 or 30 students meeting once a week per class to get a 15 minute critique by that one teacher for something you've worked on all week.
In the meanwhile I come here during the week and can get feedback 24/7, as long as people are willing to reply. Some of the feedback is from noobs, some is from students, and others from people in the business.
That paper, or degree, won't get you or me a job, it wont get me knowledge beyond the classroom or anything else, it just means that you can finish what you start. I've known a lot of students that sit on aim, or flash games in class and they're going to regret it when the get into the industry missing out on the little tips they're supposed to be learning.
Lastly, If you finish something and it doesn't look like it could be in a current gen came, then there's more work to do. If you don't know where to go from there to get it looking amazing, that's why the polycount and other forums are here, so don't cast off that feedback when you get it.
If you come to the conclusion that it's totall BS at some point... congrats, you're now educated. A lot of the rest of the world is BS too.
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