Fans threaten to boycott left 4 dead 2...
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hey guys,
Hope this hasn't been posted before.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/2009/06/04/left-4-dead-fans-threaten-boycott-of-left-4-dead-2-115875-21415139/
Ive just read somewhere the number has now reached 15,000.
So, Whats your standing on this?
And will this make any difference what so ever at Valve?
Im not going to Boycott Left 4 Dead 2. Theres a simple reason for this and its the same for any other game as well. Ive had many hours of fun on L4D and I believe the hours ive put into the game and the hours the game has drawn me back for more (despite its repetitiveness) outweigh the cost of buying the game yet again (I bought 2 copies of Left 4 Dead so I could play 4 way LAN) and the same goes for updates, if Valve did release more updates and at a cost, id buy them.
However, my opinion when I heard at E3 of Left 4 Dead 2 was one of disappointment, Largely because of the promised updates for Left 4 Dead. I was disappointed with the survivor pack because it felt amateurish and wasn't well designed in my opinion.
Also I bought the game based on its CO-OP game play and the promise of updates since I love playing games with my dad (and sister) and he is off the pace meaning direct online gaming is out of the question, so CO-OP gaming has always suited us much better.
So the lack of new CO-OP levels is disappointing.
Some of you guys in the E3 thread pointed out that we cannot expect Valve to make stuff for free and I agree totally with this . However IF Valve are in financial trouble Id like to see them come out today, tomorrow, next week and say there situation and release TF2 add-ons for a small price,then L4D2 makes sense , but right now they are gonna end up losing even more money and shoot themselves in the foot due to disillusioned L4D fans.
As its stands from the very small amount i've seen of L4D2 it looks very similar to L4D and right now id like to see a discount for people who purchased L4D1 . However im giving Valve the benefit of the doubt for now and seeing what they can come up with to change my opinion.
John
Hope this hasn't been posted before.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/2009/06/04/left-4-dead-fans-threaten-boycott-of-left-4-dead-2-115875-21415139/
Ive just read somewhere the number has now reached 15,000.
So, Whats your standing on this?
And will this make any difference what so ever at Valve?
Im not going to Boycott Left 4 Dead 2. Theres a simple reason for this and its the same for any other game as well. Ive had many hours of fun on L4D and I believe the hours ive put into the game and the hours the game has drawn me back for more (despite its repetitiveness) outweigh the cost of buying the game yet again (I bought 2 copies of Left 4 Dead so I could play 4 way LAN) and the same goes for updates, if Valve did release more updates and at a cost, id buy them.
However, my opinion when I heard at E3 of Left 4 Dead 2 was one of disappointment, Largely because of the promised updates for Left 4 Dead. I was disappointed with the survivor pack because it felt amateurish and wasn't well designed in my opinion.
Also I bought the game based on its CO-OP game play and the promise of updates since I love playing games with my dad (and sister) and he is off the pace meaning direct online gaming is out of the question, so CO-OP gaming has always suited us much better.
So the lack of new CO-OP levels is disappointing.
Some of you guys in the E3 thread pointed out that we cannot expect Valve to make stuff for free and I agree totally with this . However IF Valve are in financial trouble Id like to see them come out today, tomorrow, next week and say there situation and release TF2 add-ons for a small price,then L4D2 makes sense , but right now they are gonna end up losing even more money and shoot themselves in the foot due to disillusioned L4D fans.
As its stands from the very small amount i've seen of L4D2 it looks very similar to L4D and right now id like to see a discount for people who purchased L4D1 . However im giving Valve the benefit of the doubt for now and seeing what they can come up with to change my opinion.
John
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It´s probably fun but hey, I can´t shake that feeling. I haven´t decided anything yet but i will probably buy it because as you said. It is a really fun game (When you play with friends)
jokes apart, i will surely buy it, because i know perfectly how much work is behind l4d2. It may be more of the same, but it deserves it imho.
People are very customed to download all for free (pirate), and that's not something good.
Left 4 dead gave me too much hours, and that's something i value a lot. If the new l4d has 4 campaigns, that won't be a problem for me because when i play TF2, i like to play in the same maps... and i see l4d as a good game with its versus mode (totally fun).
I paid much more for Gears of War PC, for its cooperative, and the game is so short, but a really enjoying experience with my bro. I finished the game more than 5 times hahaha.
BTW, i would have called l4d2 as "l4d:name of expansion", because there isn't graphical improvement at all hehe. It's up to Valve.
Lets hope the sequel is an improvement, either way I'm still going to buy it anyway just to play with new maps. It would be nice if things were backwards compatible, so l4d1 maps can be played on l4d2 with the addition of the new AI/weapons/special infected and we can pick from all 8 survivors in versus mode.
In that respect, I feel the fans are right in thinking that it would split up the community and cut the lifespan of both games a bit shorter. I know there are supposed to be engine updates, but I'd rather have content for the L4D minus those features. I think a priced DLC approach would have been a smart compromise.
And yeah, it didn't occur to me during E3 but incendiary rounds totally sound like a 1990s FPS feature, haha.
As a side note, I could "understand" the point of the guys bitching against Valve on this one. I think it has more to do with the fact Valve promised (?) upgrades for free (like they are basically doing with most of their games, now) and now, it looks like they are hiding this big update behind a new game's jacket labeled as a next game
Anyways, can't wait to give it a try !
Oh, I know, let's make a new game! And on top of that, let's ditch the graphical style of the first game, which I loved and would love to see more of, for a much more generic looking FPS environment. As well as the first game's characters which I bet most people would love to see and hear more of because their personalities were so very well defined and entertaining.
It feels sort of like they had a very good thing going which could easily be expanded on, then decided to not take advantage of any of that at all.
And as someone else said Valve ain't there to make games for free; sure they made sone implication regarding L4D, but hell things change.
That would happen just the same as a ranged weapon... it's totally based on how you play it and with whom. It should be fine as long as Valve doesn't decide to make achievements for that kinda crap and give too many incentives to rambo with the melee. I think MAG (zipper int's new socom style game) keeps a simple but effective strategy of an area of influence where you're largely benefited by being near your team's radius, be it damage, health, etc.
I would love to organize a chainsaw phalanx of some sort to mow down waves of zombies.
ha. i like you telling the devs what their game is about.
i think this boycott is retarded, and i hate everyone who signed it. EVEN YOU
Don't buy it if you feel L4D was not worth your money.
I personally believe it was an amazing experience that was well worth the $20 I dished out for it.
SHOCKER
Probably all of the people that signed it will play it because they actually went to the trouble of signing a stupid petition about it. The interesting thing will be how many of them buy it or pirate it and then come up with some stupid bull shit reason why they pirated it.
B
I hope they have more content than 4 levels. that had weak sauce written all over it. if there was 10+ levels I`d drop 80 bucks easily.
which begs the question, how much is a single level worth to you guys?
This boycott is a joke, I'll be preordering this as soon as I can.
I'd prefer DLC but whatever, if it's enough new content to justify a purchase then it's day 1 from me.
my biggest gripe is if we dont have all the content accessible from one hub. I'd like to join an L4D server and have it contain ALL the maps and characters.
The sequel isn't going to be smaller than the original, is it? No. They've already stated that it will in fact feature more levels, and improved features. I really don't see what the problem is. (of course, I bought L4D 50% during one of Steam's weekend sales)
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I'm still a bit on the fence for this one. I really did enjoy L4D and put way too many hours in to the game, but it almost seems as if it's too soon for a full release of a new game. Especially when you consider how long it took them to finally get L4D1 up to speed with where it should have been at release.
I'm really interested to see how L4D2 pans out, especially now that Valve has been at the helm for the full project, rather than buying it part way through. Hopefully the amount of content in L4D2 will make up for such a quick release, especially if things like the new game types are awesome.
There really isn't any point boycotting the game or even just saying it'll be bad etc...just isn't enough info on the game yet.
and it sounds like they had so much great new stuff that it would require a whole new game. like come on, new characters? new venues? new weapons and enemies? that's getting "patched" into the first one? with NO problems?
please.
this is gonna be super, and valve deserves the cash cause they've been so good to us with free content and updates on their other titles.
No Mercy is easily the best 5 maps in the game and I've probably dropped 30 hours on No Mercy, so I definitely feel like L4D gave me my money's worth. Versus mode is great.
If L4D2 adds party vs party gameplay (why this wasn't included in the original I don't get - pubstomps are fun when you're stomping the pubs, but getting two indepedently organized teams together is impossible. Although I've got enough people in my friends network to fill up 8 player games, or at least I did when the game was new) I'll buy it. If it has 5 maps as good as No Mercy I'll buy it. I'm worried that they're focusing too much on the co-op game, though, which really isn't the point of the game, imho. It doesn't have enough going on in co-op to make it a really solid experience there - it has all the components of versus mode, but it feels like playing versus against bots rather than a real singleplayer experience.
But if there is a campaign as good as No Mercy and party vs party I'll buy the hell out of it.
Anyone know if you can create replacement models for L4D characters? I'd like to replace the witch with one of these guys... Seems fitting considering they both do about the same amount of crying.
That said, I was never impressed with what I saw in L4D1, and think L4D2 looks even worse.
definately think the boycott is silly.. l4d1 was fantastic entertainment value, and I'm sure 2 will be as well. valve havent let us down yet
Valve has always delivered MORE than they have led us to expect. Which is clear contrast to the rest of the PC game industry. They've given consistent FREE content and gameplay updates to one of the most fun multiplayer FPS games atm. Time after time they've offered their games at huge discount prices. They gave us Steam, which is the only reason why I still buy some PC games these days. They have encouraged and supported the mod community, in addition to providing free tools to create even more. They gave us the companion cube.
All those complaining will buy it anyway. And they know why.
It would be funny if they planned it as a pay expansion, called it a sequel to generate nerd rage and then the fans feel a huge ego stroke when "big corporate Valve" bends to the little guys demand further ingraining Valve as a company that gives and cares. I kind of hope they don't bend, and release a great experience well worth being called a sequel.
But I'll buy, play and have fun, I won't be buying it for engine upgrades or jaw dropping graphics. Well the new slack jaws could drop theirs but that's not what I mean.
I pay 60 bucks for a game that ill play for 10 hours single player and then it sits on my shelf, im not complaining over something that gives me weeks worth of evenings of enjoyment with my buddies.
I was a bit shocked to hear it announced but then with all the whining over how valve takes so long to put out their games, obviously people will find anything to bitch about. somebody call the wahmbulance. people these days, i tell ya, the average consumer thinks the world owes them everything.
seriously 50 bucks isnt anything to start a protest over or even get bent outta shape about, thats not even a round at most bars. online boycotts/protests are always amusing though because they never change a damn thing :P
I really do not appreciate having my previous purchase pretty much destroyed by a pointless sequel. If L4D2 was on a new engine, was actually different and not just a reskinned and modded L4D1 then maybe I could see the point in this not being an expansion/update, but as it is, I certainly can't.
Difference is those were both full fledged games, although I love L4D it is only 4 maps. And for most of the time it was only 2 online maps. Compared to games that come out yearly like CoD they have many more maps and a lot more depth in single player and multilayer.
I will just do what I did for L4D one and wait for them to put in on a weekend sale.
I also think the daylight stuff is kinda lame. To bright, not scary, it loses its stylized darkness that made L4D really cool. Maybe if all the cast shadows are super dark then it could be cool, hide there and pounce survivors or something but I didnt really see that from the vids.
I really think they are going to rely on the weather system to provide darkness now, which I think would be great.
Not to mention, when playing through the game the first time, alone, I only remember feeling kinda stuck once or twice. I never once wondered where I should go. I can't put my finger exactly on what it was, but there was always something that let me know where to go the instant I entered a new area. I think lighting had a lot to do with it. Everything was dark and misty except for a narrow little path of completely natural looking lights leading to the next saferoom. And not once did I feel boxed in even though I was, because I do NOT EVER want to wander out into the darkness. The city felt pretty open despite being basically a series of corridors because of the threatening environment. It'll be extremely hard to pull that off in a daytime environment.
And that's why I'd rather see a new campaign or two for the first game! I hope not all of L4D2 takes place during the day.
We havent yet seen updates to the console versions of the Orange box did we? I think part of it is that Microsoft would want to charge for these updates and Valve would probably want to avoid screwing over the console owners by forcing people to pay for updates that should be free.
Shipping a brand new game would make sense for consoles because valve's update strategy for Steam cant directly be translated to XLive. Noticing that there isnt a PS3 skew so they must want to have a fresh start with the Xbox.