wowo crazy- does anyone know if there's some magical shader tech behind this? Otherwise it seems like the same artist would have to hand touch every texture so everything has the same look and feel. i could be way off, and its possible that is just concept art- but bits here and there look faceted and 3d.
wowo crazy- does anyone know if there's some magical shader tech behind this? Otherwise it seems like the same artist would have to hand touch every texture so everything has the same look and feel.
not sure how much I am allowed to say about this so my only answer is "not really" to both your question and commment.
i could be way off, and its possible that is just concept art- but bits here and there look faceted and 3d.
From the few shots I've seen, I think it looks really cool. Can't wait to see more environment screens and see it in motion. The new style also helps the game not look like the bastard son of Rage.
When reading comments and articles on other sites, it's funny how limited the terminology of some gamers can be.
Any game with painterly textures = TF2
Any unique shaders (falloff, phong, etc) = Cell Shading
It's not quite as stylised looking in the actual game...I was all excited about a game that was completely off my radar when I saw the cover, but the in game shots just look like Prince of Persia. Whereas the cover looks a lot more graphic, like a scanner darkly.
Nice! It's examples like this that show a good change in art direction can make a game a ton more interesting. Can't wait to see some videos of it in action!
I think the new style looks stunning and much more eye catching. It actually calls out to me, instead of being lost in a sea of games that all look the same.
This is one of the nicer cel shading methods you can use, becuase it really does look stunning in motion.
That, and any game that has even ONE PERCENT like Crackdown in it has to be good, ebcuae Crackdown is one of theb est and most fun games this gen. FACT.
Am I the only person that thinks this doesn't look good? Going the cell shading + fake pen lines route to imitate comic art never looks good to me, but this especially feels like an artistic cop-out. And saying it's not cell shading is wishful thinking, this is very much so just cell shading with some extra diffuse.
The model looks almost flat shaded on the cover with a texture that looks like it took no more than 15 minutes. I really hope it looks very different when they show it all together as in game footage but I have pretty low hopes. Possibly being over critical due to my attachment to the genre (or in this case a nearness to the genre), but I really dont want to see this kind of thing pick up as the next trend. Fallout 3 did enough to damage post-apocalyptic games.
it's not hard to make, most people just aren't good at it. The down and dirty of it is much less work than realism based art it just takes a lot more talent to pull off convincingly.
I do look forward to seeing how the environments turn out for this, they could possibly save it (for my personal tastes of course).
if something is not hard to make yet most people can't do it, doesn't that mean it's hard to do?
Anyway I'm glad for the new style, can't wait to see how it will all turn out!
I think what he was saying is that it is less *time consuming*, but you need artists that know what they are doing. It can be hard to pull of the style, that is where the difficulty comes in, but if you have artists that can do that, i think it could be easier AND less time consuming than realism stuff. As far as singular assets go at least.
I think the major difficulties come in when you're talking about overall art direction. How do you get an entire team of artists to create cohesive assets for a very particular style like this? How do you get your effects and lighting to match up in the same style? Etc...
At the end of the day, only people who have actually done both styles and could tell you which is easier/harder to do here are the people who've worked on both revisions of the game. Without seeing the assets up close, knowing what effects are being used, and hell producing assets for both styles for this specific game, its just plain silly to try and say which method is easier. So i would tend to take Astro's word for it when he says this style is more difficult to pull off.
Am I the only one that thinks that the cover image looks just bad !?!
at some parts there is even no ducts (all mouse painted ?) and for example the head texture is obviously drawn in a higher res. but with the same line thickness. Imo. a bad cover art
Looks great, I'm more interested than before. Previously I was anticipating some fresh new gameplay, now there are fresh visuals to go with it which means the chances of my having fun simply wandering the world have gone up too
I think the new style looks stunning and much more eye catching. It actually calls out to me, instead of being lost in a sea of games that all look the same.
This is one of the nicer cel shading methods you can use, becuase it really does look stunning in motion.
That, and any game that has even ONE PERCENT like Crackdown in it has to be good, ebcuae Crackdown is one of theb est and most fun games this gen. FACT.
Crackdown had some amazing running/jumping climbing and crap shooting, worse melee, and laughable driving. Its probably the only game where finding the collectables is really fun...but thats the only part of it that is really fun.
I dig this style and I like the push away from photorealistic rendering in action games, so I'm all for more games adopting this sort of look.
Scan looks really good. Definitely brought this back on the radar for me. With so many games looking the same lately it's nice to see developers looking to set themselves apart from the rest. Hopefully it's fun and sells well so we see more of this.
It's a bit of a shame that it doesn't look like it'll hold up particularly well from a distance - at least from the small pictures on Renaud's screenshots, it's hard to see it differ from a generic style and the size on that picture is hardly an unusually small amount of screen space for an enemy in a typical game. That said, it looks rather good and I'm excited to see it in motion .
In game shot. I like it. Looks like it would be a fun style to work with. Maybe we can get some more specific info on the art side of things from anyone working on it here.
yeah definatly intresting- I read an article somwhere about the "concept art style" and I`m not really buying it- diff maps look more rich in color which is cool- and things have a dark edge. I`m probably totally glossing over something obvious, but I dont entierly get whats going on thats making such a stir. the dude on the cover has some sketch lines on his diff, which I always thought looked cool- strangly enough this has already been done before and no one made a peep about it:
Afro samurai
not the best of games, but it seems to have a similar style just not as finnesed as borderlands.
*edit- not trying to derail the thread, but in the name of bad ass video game art- these some SWEET character renders in this gallery:
Love the art in Afro Samurai. Anime is pretty cool as well. Anyone interested should check out this guys blog who did characters for the game. Fantastic work.
Bright blue mid-day sky, long evening shadows, light blue hard shadows on ground, almost black soft shadows on characters, harsh glossy highlights on wall, very matte everything else, light direction looks very different on some objects, ambient shading looks very different on some objects, very painterly effects on some textures, very realistic noisy effects on others, very inconsistent use of out-lining, nice small details that you absolutely can't see because characters are always going to be small on screen, muddy medium/large sale forms ruined by super harsh inconsistent lighting model...
Overall impression is 'okay', but what part of this was supposed to be exciting that Afro Samurai, Valkyria Chronicles, and Team Fortress 2 haven't already done better?
I agree with acc's assesment. Additionally, is the girl undead? She lives on a desert planet and she's not just pale, she's BLUE. Not exactly an oxygen rich environment? She better be some kind of Ghoul or something for that complexion...
Damn, I can't believe we shipped the game like that ... oh wait, no we didn't.
Feel free to nitpick our WIP all you want. I'm pretty confident we'll be seeing some high graphics review scores once we're on the shelf ... hell, high scores all around for that matter Especially considering that a huge majority of feedback from the couple of screenshots that are out there has been overwhelmingly positive.
As far as Lilith and her skin tone goes, Sandbag, you are assuming that she is a normal human that has spent her entire life on that planet. Not the case.
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As an artist, this new style has been a total blast to work on after doing photo-realistic stuff for the past several years.
not sure how much I am allowed to say about this so my only answer is "not really" to both your question and commment.
It's not concept art.
When reading comments and articles on other sites, it's funny how limited the terminology of some gamers can be.
Any game with painterly textures = TF2
Any unique shaders (falloff, phong, etc) = Cell Shading
I like the new artistic direction !
They appear to have been surgically attached to her trapezius'.
Love the new look. I love the growing trend to take current-gen tech and applying to something OTHER than hyper-realism.
This is one of the nicer cel shading methods you can use, becuase it really does look stunning in motion.
That, and any game that has even ONE PERCENT like Crackdown in it has to be good, ebcuae Crackdown is one of theb est and most fun games this gen. FACT.
whats that? her ass ? her forehead?
errrr ... it's not really, exactly "cel shading" but it does look stunning in motion
The model looks almost flat shaded on the cover with a texture that looks like it took no more than 15 minutes. I really hope it looks very different when they show it all together as in game footage but I have pretty low hopes. Possibly being over critical due to my attachment to the genre (or in this case a nearness to the genre), but I really dont want to see this kind of thing pick up as the next trend. Fallout 3 did enough to damage post-apocalyptic games.
As far as being an "artistic cop-out," I can tell you that it takes much more artistic effort and ability to hit this style than "photo-realism."
I do look forward to seeing how the environments turn out for this, they could possibly save it (for my personal tastes of course).
Anyway I'm glad for the new style, can't wait to see how it will all turn out!
I think what he was saying is that it is less *time consuming*, but you need artists that know what they are doing. It can be hard to pull of the style, that is where the difficulty comes in, but if you have artists that can do that, i think it could be easier AND less time consuming than realism stuff. As far as singular assets go at least.
I think the major difficulties come in when you're talking about overall art direction. How do you get an entire team of artists to create cohesive assets for a very particular style like this? How do you get your effects and lighting to match up in the same style? Etc...
At the end of the day, only people who have actually done both styles and could tell you which is easier/harder to do here are the people who've worked on both revisions of the game. Without seeing the assets up close, knowing what effects are being used, and hell producing assets for both styles for this specific game, its just plain silly to try and say which method is easier. So i would tend to take Astro's word for it when he says this style is more difficult to pull off.
Way to stand out against every other generic realism based game.
Now here's to hoping the gameplay will be fun.
at some parts there is even no ducts (all mouse painted ?) and for example the head texture is obviously drawn in a higher res. but with the same line thickness. Imo. a bad cover art
Yea, not sure what we could have done about that, the hamster was all tied up painting our geese.
Crackdown had some amazing running/jumping climbing and crap shooting, worse melee, and laughable driving. Its probably the only game where finding the collectables is really fun...but thats the only part of it that is really fun.
I dig this style and I like the push away from photorealistic rendering in action games, so I'm all for more games adopting this sort of look.
In game shot. I like it. Looks like it would be a fun style to work with. Maybe we can get some more specific info on the art side of things from anyone working on it here.
I think this link has a better resolution than the shacknews one.
http://www.borderlandsthegame.com/images/screens/full/borderlands_ss1_full.jpg
Afro samurai
not the best of games, but it seems to have a similar style just not as finnesed as borderlands.
*edit- not trying to derail the thread, but in the name of bad ass video game art- these some SWEET character renders in this gallery:
http://www.tempsketches.blogspot.com/
Overall impression is 'okay', but what part of this was supposed to be exciting that Afro Samurai, Valkyria Chronicles, and Team Fortress 2 haven't already done better?
..oh, hey!
I agree with acc's assesment. Additionally, is the girl undead? She lives on a desert planet and she's not just pale, she's BLUE. Not exactly an oxygen rich environment? She better be some kind of Ghoul or something for that complexion...
Feel free to nitpick our WIP all you want. I'm pretty confident we'll be seeing some high graphics review scores once we're on the shelf ... hell, high scores all around for that matter Especially considering that a huge majority of feedback from the couple of screenshots that are out there has been overwhelmingly positive.
As far as Lilith and her skin tone goes, Sandbag, you are assuming that she is a normal human that has spent her entire life on that planet. Not the case.