Benelli M3 Super 90
polycounter lvl 10
Hey guys, made this with the intention of sending it into Crysis, got to brush up on animating first though :poly122:
(Sorry about the shoddy wireframes, I'll post up better ones when I get time)
(Sorry about the shoddy wireframes, I'll post up better ones when I get time)
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well...
the normalmapped model looks good, so who cares.
looks good, a bit too brushed for my taste, but good nonetheless, reminds me of wannabe_'s (I think that was his name) Diffuse only CS weapons work, back in the old PC days.
Hey of course not man, already had this render posted on another forum:
If there are any other shots any of you want just gimme a shout, have somebody helping me to rig this for Crysis as we speak but I feel animating is going to force me into a straight jacket :poly142:
Also are the textured lowpoly shots realtime screenshots or renders? From the look of the geometry on your lowpoly i would expect some smoothing errors in the normal, but that doesnt seem to be the case. Remember that max scanline render does NOT = what it will look like in real time, as the normal interpolation is more precise, and everything will look great in your render, but may be fucked in game if you arent previewing with an actual realtime shader.
[edit] Looking closely at your normals, looks like you've got everything set up with different smoothing groups. Care to write up a little bit about how you're getting seemingly-seamless results with that method?
He used a ground plane, skylight, and light tracer to bake a little diffuse lighting. The effect is minimal but will help keep the weapon looking good in all lighting conditions.
personnally id just use AO no ground plane and then more for dust dirt and saturation values than for over darkening
About the baked lighting looking again it is too strong, I'll have to mess around with that
SHEPEIRO: I think I will keep the baked lighting, especially in Unreal 3 I've noticed without an extremely heavy specular assets can look pretty bland when not in optimal lighting conditions.
E: Earthquake do you happen to use MSN? if not which engine do you recommend I preview it in? I don't own Unreal (been told it's extremely easy to export to).
Also, answer my questions about normals or face BANHAMMER.
Pretty much, I've rendered it with just the bake that xnormal did, as you can see some of the seams are quite noticeable. It is great dealing with single smoothing groups probably because I'm guessing it was geared towards organic work (inbuilt z-brush features and the ability to have a good bake without a cage)
this isn't CDG dude.
mkay?
awesome
anyway seeing as my opinion wasnt good enough first time around, i'll try for round two.
First person weapons seldom are seen upside down... And (of course, depending on the engine) it's generally a sick idea to give art some extra pop by baking a LITTLE light (because in games there's MAYBE like 1% of the actual light sources and conditions youd find in reality)
Having said that, full dynamic lighting is also cool.
What's not cool is pretending theres a right and wrong way to present your artwork. I think people are getting some tall poppy syndrome because kimono's artwork kicks the ass out of pretty much any commercial weapon art, particularly in the area of realism.
which probably would be best summed up as "oh for fuck's sake" @ the amount of swelling, pulsating rancid ego in this thread.
Leave the ego at the door kiddo, or preferably, just go back to cdg. That attitude will get you nowhere here...
And tall poppy refers to a syndrome where humans feel a need to drag down anyone who excels. I wasn't calling anyone "a tall poppy."
And the ego? Ego refers to the self, im talking about Kimono's work.
The incoherance of all this really doesnt help me feel sympathetic to your "camp."
(at kimono's work and at the behavior of forum regulars in this thread)
makes me wants to jump on to the cs replacement saddle again... haha keep at it dude.
random bullshit posts like the one you made aren't well suited for this forum.
like i said, this isn't CDG. each forum has it's rules, and here, posts like that dont contribute to the quaility of the forum.
why didnt you post earlier what you said in this last post of yours?
it wouold have been more productive.
wanna talk about quality feedback
you talking about this?
i dont know what you are reading. but it must be diferent from what im reading. all i see is advise. maybe you are reading a diferent stuff that im not aware off.
I agree with Earthquake though, you need to really spend some time popping your spec and focusing on bringing out the materials. The lighting in your diffuse could cause some issues and is probably worth looking into once put in engine to make sure it's not conflicting too dramatically with your lights. The texture as a whole seems very flat gray across the board right now too, and with the spec fixes it will pop more but I also suggest darkening your diffuse grays with value changes to separate materials, I think that will help pop it as well. I think your shell should be hue shifted a little and given some more saturation as well.
Keep at it, model looks good!
What do people think of using an AO as a base for a spec map? Then adding scratches, and things to it? Seems like it works good as a base, since it will darken where things go down or where two planes meet.
I really dig the shotgun, dude. Great detail work!
hah talk about swelling heads here.
Yeah weapons are not upside down usually but quite often there on their side laying on the ground or perhaps a table. Baking the shadows into the diffuse like he has it would look silly for a weapon laying on its side.
The spec map is crap. For starters why is the bottom less shiny where the AO was baked in? Nobody is saying make it a streaked oil rig.
http://boards.polycount.net/showthread.php?t=53731&page=5 Would be a good source for some pointers.
It's a decent weapon for CS source but for dropping it in an engine like Crysis a few of us are saying it needs more work.
What I'm trying to achieve seems to be quite harder in a dynamic environment and (as I've been told) I'm apparently failing. I don't want 100% realism but I want something close. I've already said the textures could use some work so I'm going to see what I can do.
spherical harmonics is what you need- or for the purpose of renders a very blurred env.map use the ati cube map generator to produce a good one.
What ever happened to going by whether something looks right rather than make adjustments based purely on what's the norm? Its a first person model, it's not a world model, it will be "right-way-up" 100% of the time. Clearly the world model would be different, and at the very least not use the same diffuse map (baked light could be removed)
I totally understand where youre coming from perna, but the way I see it it's either, bake a little lighting on and have it look correct in 90% of lighting situations, or have the diffuse even intensity across the map and have it look correct in like 10% of lighting situations. The problem is, in my opinion, that dynamic lighting just isn't at a stage yet where things can be lit in a truly natural way.
Of course though, I'm open to the idea that he might put it ingame and it turn out looking like complete shit.... Because I'm not the kind of guy to just assume I know the deal without actually observing evidence. He might as well at least try with what he has now, and then if it looks like the back of his nuts then it's time to change it, and perhaps apply the lessons to his work in future.
Oh and, if overlaying photos of pubic hair is what you consider "material definition," the standards and expectations of this place are way below what I was hoping for.
or maybe he has velcro straps
or maybe he's wearing flip-flops without any laces at all
That little metaphor is as far as I'll go in participating in etc etc...
Anyone who posts personal attacks after this will be facing infractions, leading to a ban if they persist.
Cheers!
And by the way, I agree with Earthquake about the specular. I'm only talking about the lighting on the diffuse.
Since the gun is in the game world, and not the real world, shouldn't it match the game lighting? The point is to make the gun STICK into the world. Not look perfect on its own terms.
Harry:"I totally understand where youre coming from perna, but the way I see it it's either, bake a little lighting on and have it look correct in 90% of lighting situations, or have the diffuse even intensity across the map and have it look correct in like 10% of lighting situations."
it will look wrong, technically, in 100% of lighting situations as is, unless its this static shot. That is what they are getting at.
Again, great gun! I'm very jealous that you have it.
So now on that spec? Is starting from a AO map a good way to do it? Thats what I do.
Nice highpoly model man, looks great. I really cant wait to see your new spec, the original images grabbed my eye so im eager to see it once you've givn'er a bit more to refine the material type. nice work so far man now sift through this curfuffel of a thread and apply the crits and comments for a smokin' result.
cheers!
For both my diffuse and spec i use the same AO/LM. What i do here is just create a layer group above both my diffuse and spec layers in my psd. The reasoning for this has always seemed pretty sound to me, the less diffuse light something is getting, the less specular reflection you're likely to get as well.
So would i used an AO bake as the base for my spec? No, but i would use the same AO bake i have on my diffuse, multiplied on my spec. Generally its good to use your diffuse as a base for your specular, and identify which areas will need more/less reflectivity depending on material type, conditions, wear, etc and make adjustments accordingly.
Per dropping some science here. Another very important thing to consider when dealing with very dark values is compression, not that this necessarily has a lot to do with Kimono's asset, but dealing with darker values in the low color rangers can really hurt you especially with gradients, when you have compressed textures(most games). You're already dealing with a very low amount of precision, being at the bottom of the spectrum of color range, and compression tends to really make this obvious.
Where do I sign up!?