wip steve correl
hey, comin close to finishing up my picture of steve correl
this is waht i worked from, imbd seems to haev it locked so i cant copy and paste it sorry
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1166971392/nm0136797
this is waht i worked from, imbd seems to haev it locked so i cant copy and paste it sorry
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1166971392/nm0136797
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As you can see, very few of the lines from your painting actually meet up with the photo.
keep at it!
My advice would be to go and buy a cheap tablet (if you have the money a small wacom one, these are the best make) it will make the world of difference, good luck!:)
chris
also today i did another (well actualy 2 pics but other 1 need alot fo work) this 1 was just me practicing a style i saw but i didnt have no refrencace when i did it sorry but ill c if i can rememebr were i saw the style, also for some reason to me it jsut doesnt seem like a real face, or a drawing of a real face, tips? also opinions plz, i dunno, jsut to me somthing seems off
also have you tried using a pencil and paper instead of a mouse? it might help.
It seems you started with the eyes and worked your way down and got less interested in the peice. Try just adding more detail and spend more time on it.
It is also quite important to use a reference to get the scale correct.
just my two pennies
chris
it could be made in paint also...
i wouldn't go into that much detail without first laying down the entire sketch, i like to
work in layers of detail. if you draw one piece; detail it, then draw another piece it's quite hard to fit it all together nicely with good proportions and all. (some artists like Rens know how to do it though).
oh, and in both sketches the nose is very long and thin.
keep it up!
"ok I maybe new but please please please try and use proper grammer and spelling in your posts, everyone will just take you that bit more seriously."
So to help you for the future, here's what you need to remember when telling people to fix their grammar and spelling:
-As mentioned, grammar has got that second 'a', not 'e'.
-Sentences start with capital letters
-'May' and 'be' should be two seperate words.
-The comma after 'posts' is ill used; there should either be the word 'and' after the comment (though then it would be a run-on sentence) or make it a new sentence.
Thank you for suggesting this to him, though.
Now cycrasx, the fact that you think spelling with these things called 'words' rather than letters is useless is not the best way to think. Yes, something of your ideas still gets across, but not nearly as sufficiently and accurately. (Stop me if the words are getting too big.)
"(ps i dont think ill ever spell corectly sry:poly136:... unless its for a job or sumfin)"
Ok you don't seem to understand the problem here. While yes, if you are indeed trying for a job, writing properly is IMPERATIVE, but it is still very important regardless. Writing the way that I am writing versus wrtng knda lke ths so ppl huv to try hard to get at wut lnagugae this is, isn't the best way to be taken seriously, or as previously mentioned, even understood.
Furthermore, you say 'unless its for a job or sumfin'. Well, if you're serious about getting in this industry or something close, you're posting to a loooot of potential employers/co-workers. If you apply for a job, especially through Polycount, somehow managing to scrape together passable English, they will remember your posts. And unprofessionalism is NEVER a quality to help you get hired.
So please, please try to give English a chance. It may take you a whole extra minute to write out what you want to say, but I think the benefits are worth it. I understand you may not be able to spell all words properly, and I won't criticize you on that, but every single word? And '1'? 'One' takes me less time to write anyway since my fingers don't have to move as far.
I apologize greatly for monopolizing this thread to turn it into a grammar rant. This was not my intentions when clicking on this thread, but I'm in too much of a ranting mood to let it go. Please, let's move on now.
/end rant
ps. im lazy, get over it
no, i can't be bothered
It's obvious to me that English is your first language (or at least that you know it well enough to use the same kinds of shortcuts and/or make the same mistakes that a native English-speaker would), and you're not an idiot who's completely oblivious to how words are supposed to work. I don't think you're having any trouble understanding what anyone else is posting. That's why I'm taking the time to tell you this, and I want to get it in before the bullshit flamewar that's likely to ensue if things keep up the way they are.
Generally speaking, no one's going to give you a hard time about hardcore grammar rules or spelling errors here. Personally, I write run-on sentences and use commas and semicolons improperly left and right. Beyond the basics, I sometimes don't even pay that much extra attention to verb-noun agreement. And I've got sentence fragments and things like that all over the place. Don't even get me started on my perpetual overuse of parenthesis. And it's not a big deal. Like you, I'd worry about it if it was for a job or something (like back in school-- I used to whip out the MLA handbook all the time on research papers to correct all kinds of little things- even stuff I didn't expect anyone to really notice), but otherwise, I don't bother. And no one here has given me flak about it.
But what's happening here is that you're intentionally writing in a certain way, then taking someone's criticism of your casual writing style personally, and rather than making the very slight effort required to clean it up just a little bit, you're going out of your way to make it even worse. Like saying, "Yeah? Who are YOU to tell ME how to write? I do what I want. You don't know me. Here's what I think of your grammar crits! How do you like that?". (Whether that's how you meant it or not, that's how it comes off.) That's not cool.
And at this point, you've actually gone so far as to lose your composure about the whole deal by telling people to get the hell out. Remember grade-school? I remember grade-school. And whenever stuff like this went down back then, as soon as someone lost his composure when he felt like people were ganging up on him about something he thought was trivial and he just wanted it to stop but it was clear he was getting angry... That's when the shitstorms started. Instantly it all went to name-calling and people making fun, just for the sake of doing so. Then it wasn't about whatever the initial issue was (english skills in this case), much less whatever was going on before that was even brought up (critiques of your work in this case). Then it's all about cracking jokes and getting a laugh out of the angry kid and seeing if he starts hilariously freaking out or how funny and for how long the whole thing will go on before a teacher comes by and stops it, or until everyone gets bored. The unfortunate truth is that human nature doesn't change between grade school and adulthood, especially on the inturnets.
And that's what will happen here. Whether you like it or not, the only way to really get back on track is for you to take the criticism of your writing and at least make a slight effort to make it readable for the rest of us. Even if we can work out what you're meaning to say, typing out mispronunciations phonetically and deliberately mispelling words or abbreviating them too much is distracting if nothing else. Espealy? Spelt? Sumfin? Pobably? You know what you're doing. You're not being lazy, you're being stubborn. And it's not going to benefit you in any way. You're selling yourself short and making yourself look immature.
You're serious about improving your art skills, or you wouldn't be here asking for help and incorporating people's advice. But if you really want people to help you improve, and if you really want to be taken seriously so that people feel it's worth their time to help you, then you need to accept that part of what goes into that effort is how you present yourself and how you communicate. One of my favorite art teachers told me once, "You've got a solid work ethic and your skills show promise. But no matter how good you get to be, you can't succeed from inside a box. You can't work from your closet. You need to mix it up with other people". I'm saying the same thing to you. Take your communcation skills as seriously as your artwork and you'll find you get a lot less resistance. Things will go easier for you.
That's all I have to say about that.
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The second iteration on the black and white drawing is looking better. For using a mouse, you're doing great with keeping the fuzziness down while using the smudge tool. However, I'd also suggest not using the smudge tool as much (not in this piece, since it's already done that way, but you know, for later). With a mouse, this may be more difficult, since you're probably sticking more to short lines or small shapes and then blending them; but if you can lay in the values flat without blending and still convey the same volume, you'll be able to spend less time worrying about refining the surface because all the major forms will already be in place and read the way they should. (If that's already what you're doing before blending, then nevermind. Neat.) That's the process I find helpful anyway. I guess it's all personal preference really. Anyway, looking pretty good, keep it up.
Also check out the conceptart.org forums if you haven't already. 2d is like their life over there.
my free time suddenly feels well-spen
http://boards.polycount.net/showthread.php?t=54004
Mezz,
I was just pointing out a problem because I felt it could hinder his progress, it wasnt a major attack on him.
I made a simple spelling mistake its not like I spelt it terribly (and was already noted) and the rest you pointed out were really tiny mistakes. So Im not sure why you bothered to post it.
Cycrasx,
I hope you take the crits and move on from this, because its clear you are progressing
chris
Sorry, I do apologize for doing that, I was in a weird mood last night... Not that that's really an excuse, but I am sorry that I let my exhasperation get the better of me. I've made the mistake of writing 'grammer' in a similar situation in the past, so I really should have just kept my mouth shut
Ahh no problem man, bestest friends:)
good and short eartutorial by poopinmymouth:
http://www.poopinmymouth.com/process/tips/ears.jpg
for ears it's important that you just look at the real deal all the time, and you can feel your own ears as well to get a sense of depth. (i suck at that, all of my ears turn out really flat).
keep it up! can't believe you did this with a mouse! buy a tablet NOW!
It'll take a while before you've gotten used to working with a tablet, but then you'll improve tenfold in one go. It won't magically improve your understanding of lighting and colour theory, but at least you're no longer handicapped.
Go grab a pencil, sheet of paper and a mirror :thumbup:
Seriously, learning the traditional way would be far more beneficial then fiddling around with a mouse all day.