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Super High Me features comedian Doug Benson and explores the current situation with medical marijuana in California and the United States, specifically focusing on the conflict between federal and state law and the explosive growth in medical marijuana dispensaries in Los Angeles over the past two years.

Here's the trailer:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7vMqowaPig[/ame]

It's out now. You can find it yourself online or rent it I believe. Really funny and interesting movie. Anyone interested in that sort of thing should give it a whirl (the movie!).

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  • ebagg
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    It's really odd how much this country has villified marijuana. I still feel like an idiot for the few months in high school I actually believed the "pot funds terrorism!" ad campaigns.
  • Joshua Stubbles
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    ebagg wrote: »
    It's really odd how much this country has villified marijuana.

    Agreed. While I certainly don't use it anymore, our country could save millions by legalizing & taxing it. Though, I'd like to see the same regulations on it as alcohol. No smoking & driving, etc.
  • Tulkamir
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    Hmm, yea, I'm pretty much with you guys. I see no reason to keep it illegal. Lots of good could come from legalizing it and not a lot of bad.

    Though I will say that from the looks of the trailer this could be a pretty stupid movie. Seriously... smoking pot every day for 30 days...? Wow. I could've just taped my last roommate. :P

    Ahh well, I'll probably end up seeing it anyways.
  • Asherr
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    i kind of agree with vassago on regulating it like alcohol but the major problem with the whole deal is alcohol doesn't have a physcial effect on the person sitting next to you.

    it brings up things like if you're of legal age to smoke pot and smoke next to a minor, are you breaking the law if the minor gets a contact high?

    not that i really care if pot ever becomes legal. never smoked it, don't plan on ever smoking it, and besides the stuff smells horrible. :p
  • Jesse Moody
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    Well I think we could save millions by making it legal. I've never smoked it and probably never will so it doesn't matter to me.

    As for the smoking around a minor issue. Isn't smoking a cigarette around someone that doesn't smoke or is under age just as bad if not worst because of the cancer causing agents?

    Marijuana not so bad. Cocaine yeah that probably shouldn't be legal.
  • Asherr
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    i would hope you could think of reasons why the effects of marijuana would be different than possible long term effects of cigarettes.
  • Steve Schulze
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    I still feel like an idiot for the few months in high school I actually believed the "pot funds terrorism!" ad campaigns.
    Thats not quite as ridiculous as the "video piracy funds terrorism" ones that have popped up on a few DVDs lately.
  • ebagg
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    Jackablade wrote: »
    Thats not quite as ridiculous as the "video piracy funds terrorism" ones that have popped up on a few DVDs lately.

    [ame]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jdg0JFtGf_c&feature=related[/ame]
  • pliang
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    The odd thing about the situation is that you can have it in places but you can't get it...that's what seems ot be the case...
  • Jesse Moody
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    Asherr wrote: »
    i would hope you could think of reasons why the effects of marijuana would be different than possible long term effects of cigarettes.


    Well of course there are tons of differences. Impaired judgement, loss of motor skills, etc. I don't smoke either so honestly it doesn't matter to me. I would rather see an out right ban on cigs but that won't happen. I hate going out to a night club in some areas that still allow smoking. I go home smelling like a dirty ash tray and feel like I have smoked a pack myself.

    I also think we should legalize prostitution and tax it but that will never happen here. Too many up tight people that think it would destroy the country, blah blah blah. Girls do it all the time these days they just call themselves "escorts". Yeah guess that is just fancy for hooker you find online.

    With all the crime that has gone on in Chicago lately I would rather see money spent on anti-gang units then vice's war on prostitution and stuff like that. Prostitutes aren't doing drive bys. Gang bangers are.


    Anyways thats enough thread derailment.
  • ScoobyDoofus
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    And what industries fuel gang violence...? Illegal gambling, drugs and prostitution. Not only will you have more money to fight these types of crime, but you'll have less of them without a multi-billion dollar black market paying for guns and tempting desperate people to use them.
  • acc
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    "Hmm, yea, I'm pretty much with you guys. I see no reason to keep it illegal. Lots of good could come from legalizing it and not a lot of bad."

    Actually quite a lot of bad can come from it. Don't get me wrong, I still lean in favour of legalization, but here's the big drawback: Overnight a million dealers would turn to harder drugs. There's no money to be made in legalized marijuana for your average drug ring; it's taxed and there would be tons of super-cheap competition. There's a very high chance the cocaine/heroine/etc market would explode and I'm pretty sure we can all figure out the damage that would do.

    And unlike the relatively intelligent and mature people here (ha!) I believe that a whole lot of morons out there would not be smart enough to stay away from those drugs if they filled the spot marijuana holds now.

    As frustrating as it may be for a pothead in this day and age to know that marijuana is relatively harmless even compared to alcohol yet still is illegal, it may be for the best.
  • Tulkamir
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    acc - Interesting point, though I don't see how it works. While I get that current dealers in pot would lose their source of money, and may turn to selling harder drugs, this doesn't mean that there would be more useage of harder drugs. I can't imagine that just because pot is legal a bunch of potheads will instantly run out and start snorting cocaine... In fact, I'd imagine that pot being more easily accessible would have the opposite effect... maybe I'm missing something? Not to mention that that is a pretty short term effect.

    And it's not really frusterating for me, I don't smoke the stuff. :P
  • JO420
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    I got to live in Amsterdam where its use is tolerated and controlled. And i must say it was interesting to see how its seen in a society where it isnt a big deal. For starters on average less people per average used it,most Dutch people saw pot as something they had fun with in the late teens but by their 20's most dont use it because its something they seem to outgrow.

    And most of the users were tourists,i met Dutch people who still used it but not with the frequency as i would have expected. Acc made a comment about how much dealers would go to hard drugs if it was legalized but i think thats true to a certain extent,for the most part when it comes to drugs a majority of people dont go beyond pot, i think if it was legalized less drug dealers would exsist because why would you go to a drug dealer who you dont know or even trust when you can go to a cafe,buy it from a reputable vendor you can trust as opposed to some person who could be a viloent criminal.

    And in Amsterdam the coffeeshop owners were highly regulated and the coffeeshops were mostly concentrated to one part of town that was heavily policed all the time,i know an coffeeshop owner who is from Rhode Island and according to him the amount of regulation they had to go through was just about right that it kept the pot deals in the coffeeshops.
  • KeyserSoze
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    acc wrote: »
    Overnight a million dealers would turn to harder drugs. There's no money to be made in legalized marijuana for your average drug ring; it's taxed and there would be tons of super-cheap competition. There's a very high chance the cocaine/heroine/etc market would explode and I'm pretty sure we can all figure out the damage that would do.

    The buyers are the ones who create the market, not the sellers. You can't just tell your customers what to buy... "okay, this isn't profitable for me anymore, so you're going to start buying this now." Business just doesn't work that way.
  • Fliff
    In my hometown in Austria the police will do you if you have 1 gram, you will be put in front of a judge, you will have to go to regular drug tests, it will be on your record for the next 5 years or so

    In Vienna, also in Austria which is 5 hours away from my hometown and much larger, they won't even bother about 3 grams, they'll just take it off you

    In Niedersachsen Germany the amount of ganja you can have an declare as personal use (obviously there is a difference between dealing and 'using') is 30 grams (just under an ounce) while in bavaria you'll be raped for 2 grams

    Holland has already been mentioned although they have also been tightening the laws thanks to conservative efforts and EU pressure

    In Spain you are even allowed to grow one plant or so for personal use, the police don't give a damn if you walk past them with a spliff in your mouth, same in most of France.

    In the UK it's more a sellers market because of high tech nazi police but essentially they don't care as long as you don't blow smoke into their face and carry masses neatly weighed and packed on you.

    BC Canada, high grade weed everywhere, Australia the same, various south eastern asian country have a long tradition of marijuana smoking.

    In South Africa, even in eastern European states like Hungary you will have it growing on the side of the road (although i don't think it's potent enough to get you high at all)

    The US, well besides stereotypical California and Alaska I'm not going to even start


    Well, point being, the consistency of how various governmental bodies (even within a country) and the media handle the issue of pot smoking humans is largely inconsistent, contradictory, aggressive, strongly opinionated and opportunistic on the negative side and simple moderate acknowledgment and freedom on the positive side (for the pot smokers obviously) so buisness as usual

    I say, don't get caught and don't underestimate the prejudice and reactions of other people towards it (depends where you are obviously but for some people it's like some revolting occult virgin sacrifice if they just hear of it) because there is technically only one country on this planet where it is barley legal so I'm guessing that won't change for a while, unless the peoples revolution actually happens lol

    Concerning this movie, yeah, funny enough pot smoking has attained some pop mainstream aspect (not from the cheech and chong days though) over the last x years, in my eyes, so i guess it's a good way to make some money and get people thinking about the issue again, still won't change a thing i'm sure.
  • Ged
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    Im originally from south africa and only have a few problems with pot smoking. My friend smoked it casually for years and he always told me he would never go on to harder drugs, 3 years later he was in rehab and it took a year to get him healthy again. He was one of my best friends and I really thought he had the resolve to not get into harder stuff but I honestly think the smoking pot and being with a crowd of friends that do that sorta stuff made it easier for him to accept much more dangerous drugs into his lifestyle. I also noticed that when some people smoke pot regularly they seem to loose ambition and their life becomes a bit static, nothing really changes, and this can go on for years.

    People say that "cigarrets and alchohol are just as bad so why not legalise it?". To me thats like saying "we allow other bad things, so whats just one more bad thing?". I guess its one of those "where do we draw the line?" questions.
    Do we stand our ground and hold to our ethics and laws even if they dont always make sense or do we loose more ground to vices that ultimately arnt necessary to live a full life? Thats my point of view anyway.
  • Josh_Singh
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    9 out of 10 of all the kids I knew in High School who smoked a lot of weed, (Like it was part of they're Identity type smokers) ended up trying some other harder drug. Usually Acid, but up to Coke and Heroin.

    Weed in of itself, I don' t know if it is a good or bad thing, but the Culture that comes with it, leads to other drugs.
    Im sure sombody's gonna pipe up and say Im wrong, but Im just telling you what I have seen.
  • MikeF
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    Ged wrote: »
    I also noticed that when some people smoke pot regularly they seem to loose ambition and their life becomes a bit static, nothing really changes, and this can go on for years.

    I find this only happens if you had no motivation to accomplish anything in life to begin with.
    I smoked heavily 1-2 times daily all throughout college, never failed a class, never missed a due date, managed to work 30+ hours on top of that. Finished with a more than acceptable GPA (even though that kind of thing doesn't matter in this industry.)

    I'd love to be in a pro pot commercial showing how it can be enjoyed responsibly without plummeting into a dark and dangerous world of leg breaking and harder drugs.


    I watched the movie last night, it was alright, kind of a silly experiment though, the best part was the awareness it brings to federal laws superseding state laws. Makes me glad to live in a place where growers are more often fined than jailed for 10+years
  • Japhir
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    I live in the Netherlands, where it's legal. It struck me a while ago that in France, Germany and Belgium the youth is smoking waaaaaaaaaaaay more than us Dutch people. So I guess legelisation does work :D.
    What JO420 said is true aswell, it's a youth-drug ;).
  • kwakkie
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    Coming from the Netherlands I can say that the legalisation of weed is definately a good thing for the country and the people in it. Most people here hardly use it, and if they do they do so with care. Its also an excellent source of tax-money for the goverment. :D

    Of course there is that x% of people that cant control themselves, but I guess thats just natural selection(in my opinion they would probably end up to be alcoholics or hard-drug users if there wasnt any weed, wich could be worse).
  • Michael Knubben
    Saw it, and it's a bit shit, I thought. All throughout the movie, I only seriously laughed at one of his jokes, and thought much of the rest of it was fairly mind-numbingly (heh) boring. It didn't have any merit as a study either, so I wasn't too impressed. I'd say it would've been more amusing had it been shorter, and more interesting had it been less of a stoner's 'brilliant idea while stoned'.

    Also, Japhir, do kids smoke more in Belgium? I don't think so. I've lived in both countries and thought it was pretty similar, although I only went to school in one country, so I might not have gotten the exact same view of it. I wouldn't agree that it's a 'youth-drug', either. Drugs in general are used more (visibly, at least) by youth than adults, but that's not a sign that adults don't use it at all, or much less.

    But yeah, I'm all for legalising it. There's no reason not to, in light of alcohol being legal, as well as very socially accepted. Not that this means that alcohol's a good precedent for allowing 'bad things', because I think both have positive sides to them, as well as the negative ones. Besides, I disagree heavily with double standards on these things. Only allowing it for medicinal use is okay for me, but allowing a drug for religious uses but not recreational (as is the case with peyote, I believe?), that bothers me.
  • IronHawk
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    I grew up in the skateboard crowd and smoking pot was just something nearly everyone did. Most the people that ended up doing harder stuff were going to do that either way. I think it's fine in moderation myself. I used to smoke when snowboarding or skating just cause it was fun kinda like having a few beers.

    Honestly I think alcohols a harder drug. Way more addicting and the impairment level stacks till your a complete tool. I have never seen anyone get so high there lost control and started picking random fights they didn't remember the next day either. lol

    I know people that have smoked it regularly for ages and I think their main concern is cancer like with smoking.

    Legalization is the way to go in my opinion for the reasons giving by the guys in the Netherlands.
  • KeyserSoze
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    Josh_Singh wrote: »
    Weed in of itself, I don' t know if it is a good or bad thing, but the Culture that comes with it, leads to other drugs.
    Im sure sombody's gonna pipe up and say Im wrong, but Im just telling you what I have seen.

    That culture you're referring to is the culture of an illicit drug. That's what causes it: the fact that it's illegal. If you could buy your weed from the corner store instead of having to go to a crack house in the bad part of town, you might see less of that.
  • John Warner
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    KeyserSoze wrote: »
    That culture you're referring to is the culture of an illicit drug. That's what causes it: the fact that it's illegal. If you could buy your weed from the corner store instead of having to go to a crack house in the bad part of town, you might see less of that.

    I'm inclined to agree with this, and I'll add that this isn't a simple problem that can be summed up in terms of one solution.

    i think at base, people have needs, and we have ways of getting those needs met. if someone thinks that they need to push negative boundaries to satiate their need for love, respect, what ever the hell it is, then we've got a serious fucking problem and quite frankly:

    the drug isn't the problem -- the problem is stupidity. once again, we need to go internal with this. we need better means of getting our needs met. weed by it's self is neutral, in fact, I've used it for incredibly positive processes that have woken me up a great deal. i think we need a balance. yes, a lot of people probably get involved in hard drugs because they are illegal. such a person clearly has other issues that need to be delt with and it would be flat out irresponsible and problematic to blame marijuana. perhaps if we spent more time as a culture looking at ourselves we wouldn't have as many problems.
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    I think its also down to the person,even until this day i still enjoy a spliff or two,never did hard drugs,i get to work on time,do my job and in the evening when i go out and play its a good way to slow down my drinking when i go out partying with my friends. I smoked during college and was one of 4 who graduated from a class of 60. Its all about moderation

    The illicit culture has to do with the illegality of the substance. Back in the U.S the people i had to deal with could be iffy but if it was legal there would be no reason to deal with those types. Im amsterdam it was just a walk to a shop and in Denmark theres a part of the city i live in where its sold kinda openly as part of the community. But the community doesnt tolerate hard drugs and would run anyone out of town who tried to push it there. I think the fact its illegal its what opens the door for harder drug use.


    Lol mra i was going to mention Bill Hicks
  • Josh_Singh
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    Keyser, John Warner, and JO420. You all have very good points.
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