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Blu-ray: Microsoft, "Just a historic phenomenon"

Ryno
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=34141

So exactly why if disc formats were going to be obsolete do to direct downloads, did you only choose to make the 360 have a twenty gig harddrive? Not exactly conducive to lots of downloading.

Also, how exactly am I going to watch my HD home movies of my kid? My parents' damn internet connection can barely handle Youtube for a two minute clip. Are they really going to be patient enough to wait for a 1 hour 1080p video of their grandkid? Some kind of media is necessary for HD content sharing, and I have a feeling that Blu-Ray has this all sewn up. Pull your heads out of your asses Microsoft.

In fact, aside from the download issue, wtf is the point of consumer HD camcorders right now, seeing as how there is no way to actually share these home videos with anyone without mailing them an external harddrive?

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  • SouL
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    To me, downloads are great for trying things out. It's a nice way to preview. But as someone who's had PC failures in the past, I would much rather have hard copies of my games/movies.

    Hard copies are also easier to share with friends.
  • Tulkamir
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    It's all moving towards digital distribution and downloadable stuff, and it'll get there one way or another. I don't think it'll happen right away, but with bandwidth constantly getting better, high speed getting deeper penetration, and compression getting better, sooner or later it will.

    I see no reason to get all worked up about it either way though.
  • Jeff Parrott
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    Yeah I agree with Soul. I've lost enough music switching computers and stuff over the years that I really don't want that to happen with movies as well. Plus HD movie files would take up a ton of room. I'd much rather rent downloads and buy actual discs for movies. Music on the other hand digital only is fine with me.
  • Ryno
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    That's kind of what I'm saying. An album's worth of MP3s can be downloaded very quickly and easily be backed up. Do any of you guys download large video files? Even with my sometimes 13+ meg cable line, it takes awhile, and they still are standard def with extra compression. Full 1080p? Come now. I can walk down to the video, grab a disc, and be back in 8 minutes no problem. Even with my very respectable broadband connection it would take a lot longer than that.

    My parents still can't even get most broadband in their area. A hi-def download would take weeks. I'm sure 20 years from now, we'll all have 100 gig/sec wireless downloads, but for the immediate future, the ultra-broadband connections needed for HD downloading just aren't common enough to warrant the abandonment of physical media.
  • notman
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    [ QUOTE ]
    but with bandwidth constantly getting better...

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    It is? It's been pretty stagnant lately. I haven't seen broadband speed up in my area for a while now. It sure as hell isn't improving on my DSL. They can't even get me their upper package because I'm about 100ft too far away from their damn box.

    Anyway, I prefer discs. If I'm ready to watch a movie, I want to do it now, not 30 minutes (or more) later. Not to mention, I want to 'own' certain movies. So far, everything on marketplace is a rental (I believe).
    Of course, that's asside from what Ryno mentioned, the shitty hard drive. At MS's prices I'll NEVER upgrade my 360's hard drive. $160 - $180 for a 120GB harddrive? It must be made of titanium.
  • TomDunne
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    Full 1080p? Come now. I can walk down to the video, grab a disc, and be back in 8 minutes no problem. Even with my very respectable broadband connection it would take a lot longer than that.

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    I can get a movie via broadband when it's 4 in the morning, when there's three feet of snow outside my door or when the video store burns to the ground because a disgruntled arsonist refuses to pay his late fees. Bandwidth is always changing for the better; access to physical media is not.
  • TomDunne
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    Also, about the issue of the 360 HDD size... in the article, our friendly MS drone says 12-18 months. I think even the outer date is optimistic, but let's say it's a year and a half from now. The 360 will be four years old at that point. The original Xbox was only four years when it was replaced, so I assume the successor to the 360 will emerge similarly. When downloaded content supplants physical media, it probably won't be on this generation of hardware.
  • hawken
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    720p downloads are reality. Right now. Right here.
  • Joshua Stubbles
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    Hard copies are also easier to share with friends.

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    And I think that's what they are trying to AVOID. If you want to watch a movie you PAY to watch it. No more borrowing. As shitty/sad as that will be.
  • Ged
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    according to the BBC online video is actually killing the internets...go microsoft go!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7103426.stm
  • Jeremy Lindstrom
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    [ QUOTE ]
    Full 1080p? Come now. I can walk down to the video, grab a disc, and be back in 8 minutes no problem. Even with my very respectable broadband connection it would take a lot longer than that.

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    You can now at this moment watch Lost and many ABC shows in HD streaming from the website takes only a few seconds to start watching and it loads in the back ground while you watch the show so it's almost instantaneous, so there is really no real download time in regards to wait times.
  • El Z0rR
    I think people buying stuff will usually prefer hard copies and people selling stuff will prefer subscriptions and that kinda thing. Companies will always try and be like "subscribe for our cheap air service only $50 a month!!", but the customers will only put up will so much crap so eventually (or hopefully anyway) there's some kinda balance.
  • East
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    Of course, that's asside from what Ryno mentioned, the shitty hard drive. At MS's prices I'll NEVER upgrade my 360's hard drive. $160 - $180 for a 120GB harddrive? It must be made of titanium.

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    If you think it's bad now, I don't think the next Xbox will even come with a hard drive. What we will most likely see is the move to streaming content over the Internet even for games. This is the content provider's wet dream. No more selling (and subsequent re-selling and trade-ins of) physical copies, no more ownership (and let's be frank, we don't own the games we buy, we never have, we only buy the right to use them), it will all just be a streaming subscription service.

    Some people will no doubt be left behind because of this, but this has always been the case with progress. Or maybe I should say "progress", since I'm not too stoked about it.
  • SouL
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    I don't think those Lost episodes are being streamed at 1080p resolution. There's a lot of HD content out there, but at 720p. There is a difference. In quality and file size. a half hour 1080p video is around 2 gigs. Technically it's HD. But I think Ryno was referring more to 1080p HD videos.

    About videos killing the internet, hah, I can believe that. Here at work most video streaming sites are banned. Because they eat up so much of the company's bandwidth.
  • East
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    The resolution is also only part of it, it also depends on how well/bad it is compressed. A normal streamed 720p/1080p movie over the Internet can't compare to one playing on a Blu-ray.

    "HD" is very buzzworthy. This is the issue I have with the HD stuff at Revision3.com. It is HD, sure, but the bitrate is low. I'd go for a lower resolution but decent bitrate over low rate HD.
  • Ryno
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    Yeah, I just wanted to point out that there are a myriad of factors that make it important to have an actual media format. Sure, streaming on-demand true 1080p is a possibility, and this is great. But will every movie ever made be available in the on-demand type service? What about the people who actually like to own a collection of movies? What about the people who want privacy but are into kinky porn? Will they want all of their purchases being recorded in the content provider's database, and also showing up on their bill? What about the people who want to produce home movies? Uploading hours of home movies is slow. What about using some small and portable media format for data backup? What about copying and sharing your data and or home movies?

    At the time with bandwidth limitations, a portable media format still has its place, and is in fact vital to many market segments. That's my point. For Microsoft to dismiss this is just silly.
  • Toomas
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    MS is just pissed off that HDDVD is dead and they supported it. Its a random shit throwing really, no point to analyze.
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