More Cintiqs...time to bite the bullet
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The new Cintiqs(and pricing) finally went up on the Wacom site and they look pretty awesome...
I like working on the 21ux at work but I'm leaning towards the new widescreen...thing is the new little cintiqs are bigger than my intuos 3 at home and are half the price of the 20WSX at $999...oh decisions
I like working on the 21ux at work but I'm leaning towards the new widescreen...thing is the new little cintiqs are bigger than my intuos 3 at home and are half the price of the 20WSX at $999...oh decisions
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How much were the original Cintiq's again?
Thanks for sharing Paul, I might go order a 12wx right now. This site looks good if anyone wants to order internationally, just be aware the warranty will probably be void once it ships. You can get an instant shipping quote once you register. >>
https://www.coolgraphicstuff.com/
EDIT: Actually, I heard from multiple sources the 12wx has lag issues
I'd love to get one, but it seems they are almost double the price here in Australia as to what is stated on the US site. If I hadn't recently picked up my second 24" LCD, I'd consider buying one.
-caseyjones
I'd love to get one. The key word being "one" as I think a single Cintiq setup would blow the ass out of my budget, let alone a double.
Thinking about the poor man's setup, I wonder if it's possible to have a Cintiq and a secondary monitor with a wacom hooked up to it? Use the same pen across both, save switching to a mouse for the second screen?
Now i having trouble deciding. That 12 inch looks awesome for the fact that you can kick back and draw sketchbook style...but im wondering if ill find myself wishing id dished out the extra for a full size.
What do you guys think?
Mine arrived today. Sailed through customs without a problem >;)
No lag issues so far and I'm using it on a crappy pc (sempron 3000+(1.8), 1.5 gig ram and a 6600gt 128mb)
On a sort of related note; I have a few complaints with Wacom. They have been THE leading tablet manufacturer for over 10 years now. You would think that in those years they would have done the following by now..;
--Price drop on their standard Intuos brand tablets. Since the Intuos 1 all they have done is reskinned it, added a few useless buttons and a touch stip that everyone disables in the settings. However the price remains basically the same. This wouldn't be such a big deal if the hardware they use to manufacture it was expensive, it's not.
--Better software; All we basically get is drivers and the ability to program key strokes. No macro's, no hot key sets, nothing.. Just the basics. Anyone who is a Maya user knows how useful the marking menus are; Why not have that sort of menu, fully programmable on a Wacom? Press your marking menu function key, stroke the pen on the screen, and voila you just changed from brush to pencil tool.
--Lower Cintiq prices; Everyone knows they are over priced. Stop being dicks and lower those prices. The screens they use are not specially manufactured. The rest of the hardware that makes up a Cintiq is basically the same.
--Better parts support; No screen replacement for the Cintiq. Sooner or later you want to replace the plastic screen because it gets scratched through normal use. Guess what bitch, you can't.
--Better colab with leading art apps; Photoshop supports pen tilt. When you use this feature you can change the rotation of the brush. Too bad the brush pointer icon doesn't show this change in orientation. In Painter you can have it show but it's clunky and annoying to look at. And there's no option to have it disappear when you make the stroke.
--Better website; Their site rapes monkey ass, A ton of links that all basically go to the same place. They sell tablets, nothing else. There's no need for an overly complex site. Apparently their way of "Opening up new possibilities and celebrating the senses" is a shitty flash animation that pretentiously "shows" us how the masters work or gives us some quoted words of wisdom.
--Group test/feedback; Do these guys know how artist's use their hardware? All those links on their site and none of it leads to a feeback section or support forum.
final words; They are the leading tablet manufacturer because they own the wireless, batteryless pen technology patent and thoroughly exploit it. It's time they had some competition to pull their heads out of the clouds.
phew...
Because of the lack of pretty much any competition they can afford to put in the bare minimum.
here you go, screen protector for your 12wx
good for me because its all roughly half price of the UK here, but as tokidokizenzen, the logical germans are still reaping it in.
[EDIT] LOL, I was being cynical, but it was worse than I thought. The cheapest 12" Cintiq I could find is $1,500 and the next price level I discovered is $2,000..
not very fond of too big surfaces at the moment.
Good to hear the 12wx is working out so well too, one of the guys at work here picked one up and really likes it. If I ever get around to picking up a laptop I'm gonna have to look into it;)
Cintiq 12WX Review
A few pics (more in the actual review)
If I've glossed over anything or if anyone has any questions, please let me know
tokidokizenzen: I like your handle :P Yea, the 12WX has a lot of cables, but it wasn't as bad as what I expected. I mean, most of it is stuff you can easily buy duplicates of, and work supplied me with DVI and power cables, so all I need are the ac adapter and converter box. It takes an extra minute or so for me to get set up at home or at the office, so I don't find the cables too much of a hassle. But I'd also like to know how much the extra cables and box cost :P
Thanks for reading!
Snowfly: I'm a fan of your artwork. I highly reccomend the 12wx. Using it is so much fun and has rekindled my interest in sketching digitally.
As for the cables, is there a way to get a longer 12WX cable? The one that goes out of the converter, on the bottom right of your pic. I would love to have one of 5 meters long (that'd be like, 15feet?) to be able to move the tablet from my work area to my bed or sofa... since I don't want to move around with a laptop, the 12WX, and all them cables.
How long is the provided 12WX cable btw? I guess I could get DVI, USB and power extenders but it's like a pain... Also what voltage does the box accept? Both 220 and 115 I guess?
Thank you for your help everyone! I also feel there is quite some info missing from the Wacom pages.
Hey pior that cable you speak of is about 2 meters long. The end that connects to the tablet is "hardwired" in there. The only way I would think you could extend it is if Wacom released and extension. There's also a possibility that it just cannot be extended, the longer a wire gets the more resistance..
Thanks for the review! The typical 2048 texture screenratio is exactly the info I was looking for.
As for the cables, is there a way to get a longer 12WX cable? The one that goes out of the converter, on the bottom right of your pic. I would love to have one of 5 meters long (that'd be like, 15feet?) to be able to move the tablet from my work area to my bed or sofa... since I don't want to move around with a laptop, the 12WX, and all them cables.
How long is the provided 12WX cable btw? I guess I could get DVI, USB and power extenders but it's like a pain... Also what voltage does the box accept? Both 220 and 115 I guess?
Thank you for your help everyone! I also feel there is quite some info missing from the Wacom pages.
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Hi Pior. I think there generally is a severe lack of information regarding most products, unfortunately.
According to the AC Adapter:
Input: 100-240V~, 50/60Hz
Output: 12V
I don't know if a cable extender would be a good idea for the 12WXs video. I recall skimming through the manual and it saying that would lead to display errors, but I could be wrong. I'll have to check it more thoroughly tonight
As for the length of the bundled DVI cable...I'll have to check that tonight too :P
-caseyjones
Casey from what I understand you would need one extra videocard to fully use the extra screen that the Cintiq is. But maybe it you can clone the display using some box... but then I assume you would have to run your second screen and your 12WX at the same rez - that would be weird.
Also ... anyone thought about pairing the 12WX with this ?
No screen, no keyboard, no mouse. Just this small thing, Photoshop and a Cintiq. Nicely sitting at the corner of the sofa. Yum! Everyone I have been asking for feedback about this idea goes 'Aaaaaaw that would be slick!' but there might be drawbacks I am missing... Hmm like the 949USD pricetag.
Would this run decent 3D? no fancy shaders, but at least a 3d and a sculpting app?
And that does look slick! All these options! GAAHH!
-caseyjones
P.S- What the hell was Wacom thinking with that new logo? Ugh.
Casey: I can test the dual screen thing out for you once I get mine and let you know how it works, I think Pior may be right but there could be a workaround...
Let me know how you go with it, dude.
-caseyjones
About the cloning option...I think it's only possible to clone across displays hooked up to a single video card. I wouldn't recommend trying to clone with the 12WX though. I tried that when I first got it and you'll be forced to run both displays at the same resolution.
A DVI-capable Matrox solution sounds a little pricey, but it should get the job done. I suppose you could span both your 24" displays across the Matrox, and have the 12WX hooked up to your primary video card?
Anyway, a friend of mine requested more pics of the 12WX, so I figured I might as well post it here:
Casey: Yeah, unless you buy some extra hardware there's not really anything to even try, there may be SOME way to do it, but it's basically just like hooking up 3 monitors, which I think you pretty much need a Matrox box for. So you may just want to go with the 21", or get two of those, like Arsh :P
Did I mention I love it? :P It's awesome being able to just hold it in my lap and sketch away!
Im really tempted but I don't want to kill one of my major motivations for DomWar3 just yet...so I'll have to wait.
I guess if push comes to shove, I can always unplug one of the monitors while I'm using the Cintiq (that is if I settle for a 12"), and just switch back when I'm not using it.
-caseyjones